Good calories vs bad calories
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byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
Why stick all the food from Texas State Fair in the fryer? It's already fried. I wouldn't think double fried would make it any tastier.
......crap, now I want a fried brownie.
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byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
Why stick all the food from Texas State Fair in the fryer? It's already fried. I wouldn't think double fried would make it any tastier.
......crap, now I want a fried brownie.
mmmm...yeah I'm getting a hankering for a Jack-A-Lope egg.
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byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I think you would have a hard time getting in your protein macro....
DYEKFC?0 -
byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I've heard that there is nothing they don't fry at that Fair. Is deep fried bacon going just a tad overboard?0 -
Oooh, this reminds me that it's almost rodeo season...0
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I've heard that there is nothing they don't fry at that Fair. Is deep fried bacon going just a tad overboard?
Candied bacon is the way to go.0 -
byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
You honestly disagree that a unit of energy is identical to an equal unit of energy?
As for your strawman ... arguing against inane concepts isn't worth my time.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I think you would have a hard time getting in your protein macro....
DYEKFC?
But the Sodium Bicarbonate!!!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I've heard that there is nothing they don't fry at that Fair. Is deep fried bacon going just a tad overboard?
Candied bacon is the way to go.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »What the others have said.
The only thing I'd add is some people find certain combination of food more filling than others. So while the overall total weight loss wouldn't vary, you may find a 1400 calorie diet consisting of relatively high protein more satiating (and thus presumably easier to maintain) than a 1400 calorie diet of relatively high carbs. Each person tends to be different, though - there's not a 'one size fits all' magical combination.
You're awesome even if you do like the wrong Oreos (mint is gross).zoebrookslloyd wrote: »Hi. Can you lose weight by eating more calories but eating the right foods. I.e. could I lose more weight by eating 1400 calories of fruit and veg versus 1200 calories of fried food.
1) For some people it appears to be true that the type of food (calorie) will affect their weight. 2) Protein takes more energy to use than carbs, 3) some foods create a greater thermogenic effect than others, 4)some people appear more likely to store certain macros as fat and lose eating a majority of other macros, and 5) some foods affect health and hormones which increase or decreases daily caloric requirements.
6) I don't think it is a huge difference but I would guess the foods you choose could make the differenceof up to a couple of hundred calories per day being stored or burned.
7) I certainly find it slightly easier to lose weight eating foods that I consider to be healthy. Some foods seem to "stick" to me easier than others.
1) false
2) negligible
3) negligible
4) false
5) from what I understand, it's the lack of intake in general or of certain nutrients that causes a negative impact to hormones. I've never seen evidence that intake of a certain food causes conditions to slow the metabolism.
6) I'm afraid you're greatly overestimating
7) either this is all in your head or you're underestimating your intake when eating "sticky" foods
I didn't even see that one. Good you found it. Guess I'll have to get out the "Is a calorie a calorie" study where they showed a 300 kcal substitution of carbs for protein resulted in a whole 21 kcal more burned.
Here it is.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I've heard that there is nothing they don't fry at that Fair. Is deep fried bacon going just a tad overboard?
Candied bacon is the way to go.
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brianpperkins wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
You honestly disagree that a unit of energy is identical to an equal unit of energy?
As for your strawman ... arguing against inane concepts isn't worth my time.
Even outside of the strawman, she claims carbs add weight regardless of anything.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
You honestly disagree that a unit of energy is identical to an equal unit of energy?
As for your strawman ... arguing against inane concepts isn't worth my time.
Even outside of the strawman, she claims carbs add weight regardless of anything.
Wut! Didn't you know!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet. Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection. Proteins are burned off/metabolized much differently and therefore don't make you gain weight the same way. I challenge two people in this forum: One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs. The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet). Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other. Ready. Set. GO!
strawman alert, strawman alert..
no one is recommending a diet of 100% fried foods because it would be impossible to get adequate nutrition and hit all micros.
Please go back and read through the whole thread before you make outlandish statements that are not true.
Fried food, cheese, and simple carbs. Supplemented properly, macros and micros could be done. Not recommended or a tasty way to eat for me - I'd be sick from all of the oil. But it could be done. Shoot, it might even be possible to get the nutrition in without the supplements. Do the Texas State Fair thing and put together a normal meal and then mash it all together and toss it in the fryer.
Either way, she'd still be wrong.
I've heard that there is nothing they don't fry at that Fair. Is deep fried bacon going just a tad overboard?
Candied bacon is the way to go.
+1000
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LOL. That's what I meant. I'm in a cold medicine induced haze...0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »What the others have said.
The only thing I'd add is some people find certain combination of food more filling than others. So while the overall total weight loss wouldn't vary, you may find a 1400 calorie diet consisting of relatively high protein more satiating (and thus presumably easier to maintain) than a 1400 calorie diet of relatively high carbs. Each person tends to be different, though - there's not a 'one size fits all' magical combination.
You're awesome even if you do like the wrong Oreos (mint is gross).zoebrookslloyd wrote: »Hi. Can you lose weight by eating more calories but eating the right foods. I.e. could I lose more weight by eating 1400 calories of fruit and veg versus 1200 calories of fried food.
1) For some people it appears to be true that the type of food (calorie) will affect their weight. 2) Protein takes more energy to use than carbs, 3) some foods create a greater thermogenic effect than others, 4)some people appear more likely to store certain macros as fat and lose eating a majority of other macros, and 5) some foods affect health and hormones which increase or decreases daily caloric requirements.
6) I don't think it is a huge difference but I would guess the foods you choose could make the differenceof up to a couple of hundred calories per day being stored or burned.
7) I certainly find it slightly easier to lose weight eating foods that I consider to be healthy. Some foods seem to "stick" to me easier than others.
1) false
2) negligible
3) negligible
4) false
5) from what I understand, it's the lack of intake in general or of certain nutrients that causes a negative impact to hormones. I've never seen evidence that intake of a certain food causes conditions to slow the metabolism.
6) I'm afraid you're greatly overestimating
7) either this is all in your head or you're underestimating your intake when eating "sticky" foods
I didn't even see that one. Good you found it. Guess I'll have to get out the "Is a calorie a calorie" study where they showed a 300 kcal substitution of carbs for protein resulted in a whole 21 kcal more burned.
Here it is.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
I think it's the same study that also goes into high fiber vs low fiber and keeping protein the same.
It would be interesting to see a study where the "extremes" of a healthy diet that remained balanced could but the intake and absorbtion rates as a percentage. Probably not enough to account for those 200 calories in the OPs first post, but it might be closer than most are assuming too.
But in any case, since most people aren't on extremes of diets, it's unlikely that the percentages would ever be very high.
Yet at the same time, CICO is a very complex thing when you dig into the various influences of both the in and out equations.0 -
byrdiegrrrl wrote: »I'm sorry to COMPLETLY DISAGREE with all of you but "a calorie is a calorie" is FALSE. The body processes different foods completely differently which is why we eat (or should attempt to eat) a balanced diet.
As should be obvious if you've read the thread, a calorie is a calorie does not mean "all foods are the same." No one thinks all foods are the same. Obviously broccoli has different nutrients than a steak.Carbohydrates are broken down into simple sugars in the body which adds weight, particularly around ones midsection.
No. Carbs (which include that broccoli I mentioned above) are indeed broken down into sugar and fuel your body. You don't gain weight unless you overeat, and that happens if you overeat fat and protein too (although it seems it is harder to add fat if you eat excessive protein, at least if you are training and reasonably athletic).One of you eat 1200 calories/day of fried foods, cheese, and simple carbs.
I'd be hungry, feel like crap, and not be eating enough to fuel my training goals. I'd lose weight, though.The other eat 1400 calories/day of lean protein, vegetables, fruit and whole grains (keeping dairy and carbs to a minimum or completely out of your diet).
What's wrong with dairy and carbs? (Also, whole grains, vegetables, and fruit are obviously carbs.)
If I did this, I'd feel like crap and not have the energy (or be eating enough) for my training goals. I'd lose weight, though.Do this for a month and I would bet that the latter will see more of a significant body change than the other.
It all depends on the exercise you are doing plus probably to some degree whether that fried food you are eating includes adequate protein. At 1200 calories, I expect it doesn't.
But then no one said that what you eat and, especially, that eating adequate protein is not important.
My guess is that I'd lose more weight on the 1200 calories (if counted properly, which might be tricky), because fewer calories and it would possibly fuel my running better than the NO carb plan (well, except that it really does include carbs). If we all admit that I get to eat carbs like whole grains and fruit and veg, sure, the 1400 might be better, as I'd likely feel better and have more energy.
None of this has a thing to do with the fact that a calorie is a calorie, of course.0 -
I mean, what on earth?
Eat fruit, veg, and whole grains, but keep carbs to a minimum or completely out?
Are we just ignoring the actual definition of carbohydrate now so as to use it to mean "things of which I disapprove"?
I disapprove of cigarettes and tanning beds, are those carbs?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I mean, what on earth?
Eat fruit, veg, and whole grains, but keep carbs to a minimum or completely out?
Are we just ignoring the actual definition of carbohydrate now so as to use it to mean "things of which I disapprove"?
I disapprove of cigarettes and tanning beds, are those carbs?
Definitely. Can I include ecigs? Pretty sure formaldehyde is a carb as well...0 -
chrisdavey wrote: »muscleandbeard wrote: »Omg I officially dislike this app and the poor advice that people on here give. There is more to weight loss than just the number on the scale. Body composition is only determined by the foods you eat. You can lose weight by a calorie deficit but you will not be toned, shredded etc. You will be skinny fat if you eat crap food. Please refer to this link to better understand why what you eat is just as important as how much you eat. You have to be in deficit to lose weight, but you have to have a well balanced diet to lose fat instead of muscle.
http://comfortpit.com/the-truth-about-calories/
Flexible dieted all the way to my profile pic. HTH
I'm drooling. And it's not just the food.
Ooh, lucky charms!0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I mean, what on earth?
Eat fruit, veg, and whole grains, but keep carbs to a minimum or completely out?
Are we just ignoring the actual definition of carbohydrate now so as to use it to mean "things of which I disapprove"?
I disapprove of cigarettes and tanning beds, are those carbs?
Movies adapted from Nicholas Sparks books are carbohydrates too, I guess.0
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