If calories are king, I got a question
viren19890
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If calories are king and all there is needed to lose weight is a deficit based on individual needs then would it matter if I eat all my calories in like 12 hours and stay food free for next 12 hours?
Example - I start eating at 10 am and stop consuming at 6 pm or so until next morning. (ate all 2400 calories) in that period and going by my day as is.
I workout out 5.30 am, so I'd be working with one scoop of creatine (5g) first thing on waking up and then protein shake and another 5g creatine. 200 calories. That's it and then I go back to sleep and eat breakfast at 10:30 am or so.
Any harm or foul in this?
Example - I start eating at 10 am and stop consuming at 6 pm or so until next morning. (ate all 2400 calories) in that period and going by my day as is.
I workout out 5.30 am, so I'd be working with one scoop of creatine (5g) first thing on waking up and then protein shake and another 5g creatine. 200 calories. That's it and then I go back to sleep and eat breakfast at 10:30 am or so.
Any harm or foul in this?
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It doesn't matter how you spread out your calories over the course of the day. Whatever works for you is fine.0
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Not if it works for you
It's a standard method, there are even groups for it on here
It's called intermittent fasting0 -
It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
Eat whenever is convenient for you.0 -
Well, you'll be asleep for 8 of those hours, too. To be honest, that sounds normal to me - just a slightly earlier dinner.0
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The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?0 -
viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.0 -
viren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.0 -
I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.0
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For the last 7 months, I've been eating all my calories within a 4-hour period in the evening. Hasn't hurt my weight loss any. 70 lbs down since.
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workhardtogethard wrote: »For the last 7 months, I've been eating all my calories within a 4-hour period in the evening. Hasn't hurt my weight loss any. 70 lbs down since.
Did it help ? or become better since you started fasting?
Losing fat more than muscle would be hard to judge but did you notice a difference ?
I'm planning to incorporate HIIT into my life as well now.0 -
I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again0 -
workhardtogethard wrote: »For the last 7 months, I've been eating all my calories within a 4-hour period in the evening. Hasn't hurt my weight loss any. 70 lbs down since.
Four hours. Wow. Help me understand it. Why did you choose this, and how does it fit your overall lifestyle?
I'm trying to picture it with my own lifestyle, and can't quite see it.0 -
viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.0 -
viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
Better at burning fat would translate into less fat on body right? I mean considering I stay in a deficit?
Also I'll be Weight training and not just cardio0 -
I lost over 120 pounds eating foods when ever. Guess I did it wrong.0
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viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to caloriesviren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.0 -
Protein is the ONLY macro that builds muscle. As long as one supports correct protein ratio for their activity and work, then one doesn't have to do this.viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
Fat is the primary fuel at rest. Even if you're not asleep. Link your sources for what you're reading. I'd like to see them.The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
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Wetcoaster wrote: »I lost over 120 pounds eating foods when ever. Guess I did it wrong.
Did anyone suggest anyone HAS TO eat in an IF window in order to lose weight? That's what your logic suggests.0 -
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to calories
I think the benefits he was pulling can be attributed to the intensity levels and not much more:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0138853
But yeah, I'll stay firm per my previously linked study that fasted or fed is pretty much insignificant. Thanks for chipping in there.
Open to reading other studies that make the opposite case, though! I'm always curious about this stuff since I run a lot. Haven't found anything that stuck.0 -
viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to caloriesviren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.
I wouldn't say any study supports that athletic performance is increased, but there are a number that support that working out fasted does shift substrate utilization somewhat, and that it varies with exercise times and intensities, as well as fasting length. It can also vary based on the training level of the person in question.
"Highest absolute rates of lipid oxidation in the fed state were observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in both trained (2.4 kcal/min) and untrained (1.3 kcal/min) subjects. Maximal lipid oxidation rates were also observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in trained fasted subjects (3.7 kcal/min). These maximal lipid oxidation rates agree with previously published data indicating that greatest absolute rates of lipid oxidation occur at 45%V˙O 2 peak, with an increase in exercise intensity eliciting decreased rates of lipid oxidation (3)."
From the following link jap.physiology.org/content/86/2/479
For the average person, it might not matter at all. For a person with a specific long and slow endurance goal, it might. For weight loss, it's still just calories being burned.0 -
robertw486 wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to caloriesviren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.
I wouldn't say any study supports that athletic performance is increased, but there are a number that support that working out fasted does shift substrate utilization somewhat, and that it varies with exercise times and intensities, as well as fasting length. It can also vary based on the training level of the person in question.
"Highest absolute rates of lipid oxidation in the fed state were observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in both trained (2.4 kcal/min) and untrained (1.3 kcal/min) subjects. Maximal lipid oxidation rates were also observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in trained fasted subjects (3.7 kcal/min). These maximal lipid oxidation rates agree with previously published data indicating that greatest absolute rates of lipid oxidation occur at 45%V˙O 2 peak, with an increase in exercise intensity eliciting decreased rates of lipid oxidation (3)."
From the following link jap.physiology.org/content/86/2/479
For as the average person, it might not matter at all. For a person with a specific long and slow endurance goal, it might. For weight loss, it's still just calories being burned.
Yes we know but the bold part is the point / questions raised in this thread eg fat loss and for fat loss fasted makes no difference0 -
robertw486 wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to caloriesviren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.
I wouldn't say any study supports that athletic performance is increased, but there are a number that support that working out fasted does shift substrate utilization somewhat, and that it varies with exercise times and intensities, as well as fasting length. It can also vary based on the training level of the person in question.
"Highest absolute rates of lipid oxidation in the fed state were observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in both trained (2.4 kcal/min) and untrained (1.3 kcal/min) subjects. Maximal lipid oxidation rates were also observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in trained fasted subjects (3.7 kcal/min). These maximal lipid oxidation rates agree with previously published data indicating that greatest absolute rates of lipid oxidation occur at 45%V˙O 2 peak, with an increase in exercise intensity eliciting decreased rates of lipid oxidation (3)."
From the following link jap.physiology.org/content/86/2/479
For as the average person, it might not matter at all. For a person with a specific long and slow endurance goal, it might. For weight loss, it's still just calories being burned.
Yes we know but the bold part is the point / questions raised in this thread eg fat loss and for fat loss fasted makes no difference
Your reply stated that the below had been debunked....viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
That poster stated it won't matter for weight (fat) loss, which we agree with. I don't agree with either you or that poster really regarding athletic performance. It can be altered, but considering it for the better or worse would depend on the type of workout being performed.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »I lost over 120 pounds eating foods when ever. Guess I did it wrong.
Did anyone suggest anyone HAS TO eat in an IF window in order to lose weight? That's what your logic suggests.
No....I ate whatever. What is my logic again?0 -
robertw486 wrote: »robertw486 wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
No it won't ..that has been debunked. There is no specific benefit of fasting over not fasting it's down to caloriesviren19890 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »The theory was that since body does most of the work whilst asleep, you need to go to bed on a full stomach so it'll have all the food required for muscle building so it doesn't go catabolic.
The other thing I read, if you don't feed it right before bed then it'll feed on existing Carbs, fats and what not and that's helpful for fat loss especially when I'd workout first thing in morning after fasting for so long?
no. As stated, It doesn't matter when you eat, it matters how much you eat over an extended period of time.
OK thanks
So people raving about fasted state cardio and all is not credible.
2014 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Doesn't make much significant difference whether cardio is done while fasted or fed.
Meal timing is insignificant too (for the most part) as others have touched on. Try to get some protein within 3 hours of your workout. Synthesis goes on for far longer than the myth would suggest.
I wouldn't say any study supports that athletic performance is increased, but there are a number that support that working out fasted does shift substrate utilization somewhat, and that it varies with exercise times and intensities, as well as fasting length. It can also vary based on the training level of the person in question.
"Highest absolute rates of lipid oxidation in the fed state were observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in both trained (2.4 kcal/min) and untrained (1.3 kcal/min) subjects. Maximal lipid oxidation rates were also observed at 40%V˙O 2 peak in trained fasted subjects (3.7 kcal/min). These maximal lipid oxidation rates agree with previously published data indicating that greatest absolute rates of lipid oxidation occur at 45%V˙O 2 peak, with an increase in exercise intensity eliciting decreased rates of lipid oxidation (3)."
From the following link jap.physiology.org/content/86/2/479
For as the average person, it might not matter at all. For a person with a specific long and slow endurance goal, it might. For weight loss, it's still just calories being burned.
Yes we know but the bold part is the point / questions raised in this thread eg fat loss and for fat loss fasted makes no difference
Your reply stated that the below had been debunked....viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
That poster stated it won't matter for weight (fat) loss, which we agree with. I don't agree with either you or that poster really regarding athletic performance. It can be altered, but considering it for the better or worse would depend on the type of workout being performed.
Then I misquoted because it OP's response to that that was in my mindviren19890 wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »I think fasted cardio is done to train your body to be better at burning fat as fuel, which is a useful adaptation to make if you are an endurance athlete who is training for long-distance events where you will run out of glycogen. The benefit is training adaptation, not body composition changes or weight loss.
yeah that's what I read too that- fasted workout burns more fat than anything else in the body. Plus fasting for more than 8 hours allows your body to deplete carbs and fats and then on top you workout and re-start again
Fasted-state cardio will train your body to be better at burning fat for aerobic exercise. It will produce an improvement in athletic performance. It won't make a whit of difference to weight loss, though.
Better at burning fat would translate into less fat on body right? I mean considering I stay in a deficit?
Also I'll be Weight training and not just cardio
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For as the average person, it might not matter at all. For a person with a specific long and slow endurance goal, it might. For weight loss, it's still just calories being burned.
Lol who is considered average ? just want to make sure.
Also two days I'll be doing strength training 5/3/1 (2 day routine) and 4 days HIIT which would be 30-40 mins (if i'll survive cuz it'll be my first time doing HIIT) and Sunday active rest.
Everyday evening I'll also be doing LISS -just for 100-200 calories.
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How did this program catch so much traction if it doesn't work.
It can't be simple placebo?
Youtube is littered with videos and people talking about how they intermittent fasting is the shiznit!
How is there so much false information out there?
Lastly where has this forum been my whole life damn! if only I had learned about all this last year -I wouldn't be "cutting" .0 -
viren19890 wrote: »How did this program catch so much traction if it doesn't work.
It can't be simple placebo?
Youtube is littered with videos and people talking about how they intermittent fasting is the shiznit!
How is there so much false information out there?
Lastly where has this forum been my whole life damn! if only I had learned about all this last year -I wouldn't be "cutting" .
Because there's a billion dollar weight loss Industry who won't make any more money if the truth of CICO gets out. You wouldn't buy all their nonsense products or pay 49.99 a month to this miracle cure to being fat or that one if you knew calories were all that mattered would you? They're terrified of losing your money, so they fight back by spreading and encouraging misinformation.
They've got billions of dollars riding on that false information. They'll say and do anything to defend that.0 -
There's also something to be said for humanity and our inability to accept that something really could be this simple. We have a tendency to see patterns where there are none. We like things complicated, so we imagine a complication/complications to weight loss that aren't really there.0
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I gained all my weight intermittent fasting. I am losing it intermittent fasting. I don't think it does anything extra for losing or gaining. It just makes it easier for me to stick with my calorie goal.
It works for me because it's how I like to eat and I am not hungry until the afternoon. If you are hungry all day, I doubt it would be good for you.
I have read over and over that you shouldn't eat in a way you aren't intending to continue after losing. Giving in to the way I naturally want to eat has been key to losing the lbs I've lost. Mostly because I am not hungry. Trying to "eat right" by eating breakfast and spreading the calories throughout the day always ended up with me overeating.
I don't exercise strenuously so don't know if that would matter with IF.0
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