Juicing
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grumpylupe wrote: »No, I don't have a problem with facts, you have a problem with the manner in which you tell me your facts. And to presume you know more than some doctors who approve this method is ridiculous.
Without more details, it's really hard to say the impact that the juicing will have on you. But the MFP warnings exist to help promote healthy and sustainable weight loss goals. That is the reason they give warnings for any diet that falls below certain levels, in an effort to help people lose weight in a safe and healthy manner.
Most juicing diets would be considered very low calorie diets (VCLDs) and are not allowed to be promoted here on this site, nor are they considered safe without having a doctor or other professionals involved. This is due to the fact that any extremes of calorie reduction, even when under medical supervision, should be done with modified diets that often increase protein levels in an attempt to preserve muscle.
Depending on how low your calorie intake is your water and carb levels will be depleted, and at that point your body will essentially start using muscle for fuel if it reaches that extreme.
Please reconsider using the low calorie methods. If you want to juice, you can do it in much more healthy ways, such as the protein you mentioned. You could also make smoothies rather than juice, and that would give you the added benefit of keeping the fiber in the fruits and veggies you are juicing.
I do agree that tact should be used in communication, but people are attempting to give you information that would promote doing things in a healthier fashion, and one that you can keep up for a longer period of time.0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!
fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc
Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet
why can't they make up their minds?
It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.
Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way
Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?
No Wetcoaster, I am not.
The ideal way to lose weight is CICO.
Mostly I just wanted to comment on "SCIENCE" in general.
However, there are people out there who have lost massive amounts of weight with inadvisable diets and managed to keep the weight of long term. I cannot comment on how healthy or unhealthy they were as obese humans and I don't know how healthy they are once they got into the "healthy range".
I am just open minded... Just because I don't want to run because personally I believe it harms my knees, I would never advise for or against it. Running works well for some and not for others. Of course this is only my opinion 0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!
fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc
Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet
why can't they make up their minds?
It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.
Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way
Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?
No Wetcoaster, I am not. The ideal way to lose weight is CICO.
Mostly I just wanted to comment on "SCIENCE" in general.
However, there are people out there who have lost massive amounts of weight with inadvisable diets and managed to keep the weight of long term. I cannot comment on how healthy or unhealthy they were as obese humans and I don't know how healthy they are once they got into the "healthy range".
I am just open minded... Just because I don't want to run because personally I believe it harms my knees, I would never advise for or against it. Running works well for some and not for others. Of course this is only my opinion
Inadviable diets are against the rules here. If you think juicing is "healthy" for months all the power to you.0 -
So you are juicing
And you are adding a protein supplement as you realise protein is an important macro ...if you are in sensible defecit you should reach for a minimum of 0.65g protein per lb of bodyweight daily ...that's a minimum
I assume you also know that fat is a minimum macro in order to absorb nutrients so you need to ensure you reach 0.35g fat per lb of bodyweight at a minimum
Also a fibre supplement ...roughly 35g per day on average
Now if you want to blitz all these up so you drink your calories and your defecit is not greater than a weight loss of 1% current bodyweight per week, and you are hitting essential iron, calcium, minerals, vitamins through your juicing products you may go partway to achieving a balanced, nutritious diet
To me this would be a miserable existence to be honest, I would worry about my dental health and experience constant gnawing hunger but each to their own
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Wetcoaster wrote: »Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!
fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc
Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet
why can't they make up their minds?
It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.
Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way
Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?
No Wetcoaster, I am not. The ideal way to lose weight is CICO.
Mostly I just wanted to comment on "SCIENCE" in general.
However, there are people out there who have lost massive amounts of weight with inadvisable diets and managed to keep the weight of long term. I cannot comment on how healthy or unhealthy they were as obese humans and I don't know how healthy they are once they got into the "healthy range".
I am just open minded... Just because I don't want to run because personally I believe it harms my knees, I would never advise for or against it. Running works well for some and not for others. Of course this is only my opinion
I'm not sure you quite understand how "science" works. There is no authoritative body that determines what the truth is. Two groups of researchers can come to different conclusions and this is still "science". This allows for further exploration.
I would recommend visiting this simple explanation:
UC Berkeley Science Flow Chart
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grumpylupe wrote: »I started juicing, but when I complete my entry for the day, it says I'm not eating enough. Can't they accommodate for people who are juicing?
you don't need to complete / close your diary at the end of the day, that's the only thing that generates the warning. Premium allows you to change goals by day eg for 5:2 fasting but I don't recall if that kills the warnings on low days.0 -
With juicing, you're getting all of the calories without any of the fiber, and you are left hungry. Why not just eat the whole fruit and vegetable that you are juicing? You'll need less and get much more out of it.
Think about it. Juicing a carrot or eating a carrot? If you eat the carrot, you get everything the carrot has to offer. By juicing it, you need to use more carrots, which adds a lot more calories and you're leaving out all of the satiating fiber. Just eat the carrot. Eat the same foods you would juice with, and fit them in to your daily calories along with other healthy foods to meet all your nutritional requirements. That's the advice I have. This way, you're losing weight in a healthy, sustainable way while learning how to properly use food as fuel, as is intended.
People here aren't being bullies, they're letting you know that what you're doing is unhealthy.
And the guy in Fat Sick and Nearly Dead gained all his weight back. That "movie" wasn't factual or scientific, it was biased propaganda.0 -
You can't juice forever, and it's not teaching you anything about portion control. What happens when you start to eat real food again?0
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grumpylupe wrote: »Wow, this community is kind of a bully when you're not doing things their way. I get it, you don't approve, but I'm still going to do my juice fast either way. Some comments were actually nice, but most are very negative and rude. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll know better next time when i have a question.
It happens, keyboard warriors abound.
If the manner in which you present information offends and detracts from the likelihood your intended audience is going to be receptive of that information... then what was the point of presenting the opposing view?
I did the juice thing for a couple of months a few years ago. It was a really nice spring board into a getting me moving and ultimately dropping about 50lbs and feeling a lot better. I wasn't able to maintain the juice fast indefinitely as it all ended quite abruptly one day at a Lenny's Sub Shop.
What always bothered me about juicing though was the part of the vegetables and fruit I was throwing away. So now instead of juicing I just eat those vegetables and fruit with the added bonus of not being hungry.
I think as long as you're motivated and enjoying the results and have an exit strategy to the juicing you'll be fine but I also think you could just go ahead and eat that stuff instead of juicing it and be a little kinder to yourself in the process.0 -
"I want to live to see grandchildren and great grandchildren, I want to be around so that I can care for my family." Grumpylupe, I took this off your profile. If this is truly your goal, you should strive for a lifelong sustainable program that will actually help you achieve this in the long term. You may get a quick boost from "juicing," but this is not the way to your goal. There are no quick fixes. By choosing a healthy diet and balancing that out with exercise you can not only achieve your goals, but you can also set an example for your children and grandchildren. We all have obstacles to overcome and none of us are perfect, but we're all alike in our desire to better ourselves physically, not just for now, but well into the future. All of these people are trying to help, nothing more.grumpylupe wrote: »Wow, this community is kind of a bully when you're not doing things their way. I get it, you don't approve, but I'm still going to do my juice fast either way. Some comments were actually nice, but most are very negative and rude. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll know better next time when i have a question.
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I haven't seen any posts that are 'bullying'. I'm seeing people trying to explain why juicing fasts are bad for you using science. If you consider that bullying, there's not really anything we can say or do. The forums are here for people to share success and get help in changing their lifestyles, and promoting broscience and bad eating plans runs counter to that.
If you want to juice fast, no one is stopping you. We just want you to be aware of the dangers of doing so, if you weren't before. Just because you don't believe in the science doesn't make it wrong. We're also not just telling you why it's wrong, I also see many people trying to give you helpful advice on other things you can do. Again, your choice if you take their advice, but that's not bullying either.
As for me, if you want to add juicing as way to get extra nutrients in your day, I personally see nothing wrong with that. It can be a handy, and for some people tasty, way to supplement your diet. Many people use that as a way to replace snacking for instance. But it's not a good idea as a full meal replacement plan, espically long term, unless it's being approved and supervised by a doctor. If you want to try some kind of diet plan like that, run it by your doctor first. Not a nutritionist, but a licensed medical doctor. That way, you're getting all the information you need to make an informed decision.0 -
I never said it was a permanent thing. This is a temporary fast. I'm not constantly hungry either. I do add fiber supplements to my juices, maca, flax seed, also Chia. I have also started adding protein supplements. I lost 17.8 lbs in 7 days, which I am thinking of increasing my caloric intake or incorporating fresh salads in there somewhere. My energy levels are up, i'm keeping hydrated and I'm already noticing the way my clothes feel. I'm very motivated to do this my way and all I wanted was support. If you feel I'm not doing it the "right way", you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not gong to sit here and argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what. I'm under my doctors care and he advises to check in with him once a month while doing this to make sure I'm ok. Plus, I've made new friends who agree with me on here. So thank you.0
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grumpylupe wrote: »No, I don't have a problem with facts, you have a problem with the manner in which you tell me your facts. And to presume you know more than some doctors who approve this method is ridiculous.
Which 'doctors' are those? Dr. Oz?
And whether you choose to take the facts to heart or not doesn't change those facts, though, because science. 0 -
grumpylupe wrote: »I never said it was a permanent thing. This is a temporary fast. I'm not constantly hungry either. I do add fiber supplements to my juices, maca, flax seed, also Chia. I have also started adding protein supplements. I lost 17.8 lbs in 7 days, which I am thinking of increasing my caloric intake or incorporating fresh salads in there somewhere. My energy levels are up, i'm keeping hydrated and I'm already noticing the way my clothes feel. I'm very motivated to do this my way and all I wanted was support. If you feel I'm not doing it the "right way", you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not gong to sit here and argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what. I'm under my doctors care and he advises to check in with him once a month while doing this to make sure I'm ok. Plus, I've made new friends who agree with me on here. So thank you.
A safe rate of loss is about 2 pounds per week. You just claimed to lose over 2 pounds per day.
If this is a medically supervised thing, as you now claim, then why even look to MFP for advice rather than to your medical team?0 -
grumpylupe wrote: »I never said it was a permanent thing. This is a temporary fast. I'm not constantly hungry either. I do add fiber supplements to my juices, maca, flax seed, also Chia. I have also started adding protein supplements. I lost 17.8 lbs in 7 days, which I am thinking of increasing my caloric intake or incorporating fresh salads in there somewhere. My energy levels are up, i'm keeping hydrated and I'm already noticing the way my clothes feel. I'm very motivated to do this my way and all I wanted was support. If you feel I'm not doing it the "right way", you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not gong to sit here and argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what. I'm under my doctors care and he advises to check in with him once a month while doing this to make sure I'm ok. Plus, I've made new friends who agree with me on here. So thank you.
I typically make a protein powder smoothie each day. It's a great way to increase my fruit and veg intake. The protein powder helps me reach my goals, I also add some chia seeds to help increase the fibre even more.
I understand that you are feeling defensive here. Nearly 18lbs in a week is alarmingly fast. Some will be water, some will be fat, and some will be muscle. I appreciate that you are following up with your doctor. Is he running bloodwork regularly?
I'm not going to harp on about it. I do hope that when the surprise of the responses has worn off, you will come back and reread them. There is a lot of concern expressed for your well-being here.0 -
I think it depends on your juicer. If you have the type that doesn't strain out the fibre, I would count the fruits and vegetables based on what amounts of each one you use... the same as if you were eating it. If you have the type that DOES strain out the fibre, I would find the juicing equivalents and only use the juices as a supplement to a balanced diet as a means of getting some extra vitamins and minerals. It's a great idea if you don't particularly enjoy EATING your leafy greens.... I add spinach to my smoothies for this reason.
Having said that, you don't actually need juice to "reset" or "cleanse" your system. Your body is a well-oiled machine that can do these functions on its own. There are things that can help it along, like warm lemon water first thing in the morning. But, to each their own! You do what you think is best for you.0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »anabelle404 wrote: »Omg, I can't believe some of the comments on here. Totally unsupportive! Anyhow I don't know if anyone's seen the movie "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead" but I recommend it. It changed/saved my husbands life! And Lupita I'm new to MFP too and maybe try adding each ingredient like 5 carrots, 1 leaf of Kale/Romaine, 3 Apples, 1 Cucumber, 1 Beat, 3 spears of pineapple. (a great Juice too btw!) Then stick to a high protein low-carb diet for you other entries! Add me if u like
People don't support bad ideas.
Do u even know her stats? Her circumstances?...Have u gotten to know her? Do u know her diet?
Her primary physician supports what she is doing and she is cleared by a doctor. There are extreme cases where doctor's do recommend specific types of fasts for however long, in order to get their patients to drop enough weight to get mobile again.
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cherylmurray83 wrote: »I think it depends on your juicer. If you have the type that doesn't strain out the fibre, I would count the fruits and vegetables based on what amounts of each one you use
I weighed the ins and outs on a centrifugal juicer and 60-65% went to juice and the rest to pulp.
The separation is far from perfect and the juice is pretty cloudy. A lot of the fibre in an apple is soluble fibre that will go with the juice for example.0 -
I had severe acid reflux and juicing really helped me a lot. It's not an alternative to eating as a long term solution but it can be beneficial to some people. I just logged the calories in my juices. I juices at home but followed the blue print cleanse and so I would use the store bought versions to add to my log.0
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Hun, look what this guy did, in a safe, healthy and sustainable manner. Juicing as your only means of nutrition, and undereating as a result of juicing, is unsafe. MFP gives you that warning for a reason.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10335114/after-248-days-i-surpassed-my-goal-388-to-219-6
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