Juicing

grumpylupe wrote: »

Juicing does not work for everyone if they don't stick to it and consuming too few calories is the whole point to reboot your system so that I can recharge detox and start again but from a better place. Hence "juice fast". There is a lot of fiber in some fruits such as apples. I have added supplements to make sure I'm not in danger of any vitamin or mineral deficiencies. I just wish they had a juicing option.

If your body were a computer, you could reboot it. If it had batteries, you could recharge it. But it isn't a computer, and it doesn't have batteries, so you don't need to do either of those things.

grumpylupe wrote: »

No, I don't have a problem with facts, you have a problem with the manner in which you tell me your facts. And to presume you know more than some doctors who approve this method is ridiculous.

No doctor would approve. And if they do I would find a new doctor. The science is quite clear.

Emi1974 wrote: »

Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!

fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc

Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet

why can't they make up their minds?

It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.

Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way

Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?

grumpylupe wrote: »

No, I don't have a problem with facts, you have a problem with the manner in which you tell me your facts. And to presume you know more than some doctors who approve this method is ridiculous.

Without more details, it's really hard to say the impact that the juicing will have on you. But the MFP warnings exist to help promote healthy and sustainable weight loss goals. That is the reason they give warnings for any diet that falls below certain levels, in an effort to help people lose weight in a safe and healthy manner.

Most juicing diets would be considered very low calorie diets (VCLDs) and are not allowed to be promoted here on this site, nor are they considered safe without having a doctor or other professionals involved. This is due to the fact that any extremes of calorie reduction, even when under medical supervision, should be done with modified diets that often increase protein levels in an attempt to preserve muscle.

Depending on how low your calorie intake is your water and carb levels will be depleted, and at that point your body will essentially start using muscle for fuel if it reaches that extreme.

Please reconsider using the low calorie methods. If you want to juice, you can do it in much more healthy ways, such as the protein you mentioned. You could also make smoothies rather than juice, and that would give you the added benefit of keeping the fiber in the fruits and veggies you are juicing.

I do agree that tact should be used in communication, but people are attempting to give you information that would promote doing things in a healthier fashion, and one that you can keep up for a longer period of time.

Emi1974 wrote: »

Wetcoaster wrote: »

Emi1974 wrote: »

Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!

fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc

Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet

why can't they make up their minds?

It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.

Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way

Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?

No Wetcoaster, I am not. The ideal way to lose weight is CICO.

Mostly I just wanted to comment on "SCIENCE" in general.

However, there are people out there who have lost massive amounts of weight with inadvisable diets and managed to keep the weight of long term. I cannot comment on how healthy or unhealthy they were as obese humans and I don't know how healthy they are once they got into the "healthy range".

I am just open minded... Just because I don't want to run because personally I believe it harms my knees, I would never advise for or against it. Running works well for some and not for others. Of course this is only my opinion

Inadviable diets are against the rules here. If you think juicing is "healthy" for months all the power to you.

Emi1974 wrote: »

Wetcoaster wrote: »

Emi1974 wrote: »

Science is conducted by humans, that's the only drawback. "To err is human...." and boy do they get it wrong!

fat is evil...no, fat is ok
eggs are bad for you...no, eggs are good for you
coffee is bad for you...no, coffee is good for you
wine is bad for you...no, actually some wine is good for you
eat fish...but beware of mercury
eat chicken..but beware of all the antibiotics they are pumped full with etc etc etc

Pluto is a planet... Pluto is no longer a planet...Pluto is back as a planet

why can't they make up their minds?

It all depends who you listen to and when you listen to it. What today is truth, tomorrow might be very wrong.

Lupe... just do what you like. It is your life. Everything works for someone. Nothing works for everyone the same way

Are you saying juicing for months is a good healthy way to lose weight?

No Wetcoaster, I am not. The ideal way to lose weight is CICO.

Mostly I just wanted to comment on "SCIENCE" in general.

However, there are people out there who have lost massive amounts of weight with inadvisable diets and managed to keep the weight of long term. I cannot comment on how healthy or unhealthy they were as obese humans and I don't know how healthy they are once they got into the "healthy range".

I am just open minded... Just because I don't want to run because personally I believe it harms my knees, I would never advise for or against it. Running works well for some and not for others. Of course this is only my opinion

I'm not sure you quite understand how "science" works. There is no authoritative body that determines what the truth is. Two groups of researchers can come to different conclusions and this is still "science". This allows for further exploration.

I would recommend visiting this simple explanation:

UC Berkeley Science Flow Chart

to get a better understanding.

With juicing, you're getting all of the calories without any of the fiber, and you are left hungry. Why not just eat the whole fruit and vegetable that you are juicing? You'll need less and get much more out of it.

Think about it. Juicing a carrot or eating a carrot? If you eat the carrot, you get everything the carrot has to offer. By juicing it, you need to use more carrots, which adds a lot more calories and you're leaving out all of the satiating fiber. Just eat the carrot. Eat the same foods you would juice with, and fit them in to your daily calories along with other healthy foods to meet all your nutritional requirements. That's the advice I have. This way, you're losing weight in a healthy, sustainable way while learning how to properly use food as fuel, as is intended.

People here aren't being bullies, they're letting you know that what you're doing is unhealthy.

And the guy in Fat Sick and Nearly Dead gained all his weight back. That "movie" wasn't factual or scientific, it was biased propaganda.

grumpylupe wrote: »

Wow, this community is kind of a bully when you're not doing things their way. I get it, you don't approve, but I'm still going to do my juice fast either way. Some comments were actually nice, but most are very negative and rude. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll know better next time when i have a question.

It happens, keyboard warriors abound.

If the manner in which you present information offends and detracts from the likelihood your intended audience is going to be receptive of that information... then what was the point of presenting the opposing view?

I did the juice thing for a couple of months a few years ago. It was a really nice spring board into a getting me moving and ultimately dropping about 50lbs and feeling a lot better. I wasn't able to maintain the juice fast indefinitely as it all ended quite abruptly one day at a Lenny's Sub Shop.

What always bothered me about juicing though was the part of the vegetables and fruit I was throwing away. So now instead of juicing I just eat those vegetables and fruit with the added bonus of not being hungry.

I think as long as you're motivated and enjoying the results and have an exit strategy to the juicing you'll be fine but I also think you could just go ahead and eat that stuff instead of juicing it and be a little kinder to yourself in the process.