If I hear Oprah say she loves bread one more time.....
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No WW says you can eat anything as long as you stay in your point range.. REALITY is.. if you eat healthy it certain is better for you altogether0
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My aunt does weight watchers, and with the change she says a piece of cake is 3/4 of your points allowance for a day... Not very doable.
I don't get why they would change a program that so many people have had successes with.0 -
A slice of cake would have to be about 1000 calories to be 3/4 of even the smallest person's points allowance for the day, I think.
They update the programs because we learn more about the field all the time, plus people like to try new programs.0 -
piggysmalls333 wrote: »They could have picked someone so much better to be their representative. Someone who publicly lost a lot of weight and is keeping it off, like maybe Melissa Mccarthy. Have you seen her lately? She has made such a transformation! It's almost like some weight watchers executive's pitch was,"Well it's Oprah and women do whatever she says so it's a no brainer"! Right.
Well, not trying to be a jerk, but how long ago did McCarthy lose the weight? Oprah has certainly kept weight off in the past. When she regains it's not that quick. We've just been exposed to her for decades so one year she is healthy weight and then a couple years later it's back on. Totally respect and love McCarthy but I wouldn't call her loss proof that she can maintain either (yet).meganridenour wrote: »What I'm confused about is that from what I hear, the new WW program actually makes it near impossible to indulge and makes it so you are only supposed to eat stereotypically "healthy" foods... So not promoting eating everything in moderation, but only eating the things WW wants you to eat.
This is what I've heard as well. That the point system sort of forces you to eat how some people on here would call 'clean'.And the first commercial? Counting points is like a game??? ReALLY??? It so the F*** is NOT!!! I DUNNO about anyone else, but my weight loss is not like a game. Maybe other people look at it that way, but I don't. Yeah - I know - lighten up Francis....
Well, I say whatever helps people to lose weight. If looking at it like a game helps, great. Some people like to use things like the Zombies, Run! app to start running. Other people just grab a timer and go out there and do it and see apps as gimmicks. But at the end of the day, if a couple people are healthier, that's a good thing, right?
Counting calories is SORT of like a game to me. I like stats, and numbers. I like keeping all my numbers. I like entering in my weights and my calories eaten and my exercise calories eaten and occasionally making graphs and seeing if there are trends when I change certain things. It keeps me motivated. But a lot of people probably hate all that math. So if counting points is portrayed more like keeping track of points scored in a basketball game and that helps them wrap their heads around it, I'm all for it. The only drawback of WW is that they charge $$. But a lot of people started with WW as the gateway drug to counting calories later.0 -
I used Weight Watchers successfully back in 2008 and lost 50lbs. I became a lifetime member so never had to pay to attend again. Then they changed the way points were counted and it was kind of dumb. They gave you more points, but foods increased in points as well. Made no sense to me so I left.
Since then, I believe there have been quite a few more WW "improvements". My own best improvement was finding MFP. Using the food diary, I realized there was a heckova lot more to ensuring you were eating well than WW ever explained.
I lost a further 15 lbs with MFP and have kept those off as well. I've recommended it to co-workers, and one of them has lost just over 100lbs in the past 13 months! She has about 20 more to go and we know with MFP she'll be able to do it.
Best of luck to Oprah, but I believe she'd do much better coming here instead!0 -
TL;DR the last 3 pages but I have heard a lot of comments on that commercial. I don't get why people are up in arms. Yes, Oprah has had a weight issue and it's played out on TV. Isn't she the same as a lot of us her on MFP who have struggled with similar issues? Doesn't that make her a relateable spokesperson? Is it really a big sin that she's saying you can enjoy bread, or anything else, if it's within your daily allowance? That's pretty much what we say on MFP every day.
I guess I'm not getting the big deal here...0 -
Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.0
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Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
I find counting calories/macros like a game. I pre-log each evening for the next day and it feels fun -- like a puzzle game. But maybe I'm just weird.0 -
Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
Because they can't charge you money for doing your own math of course. How would they charge money to look at people and say "Hey you know that part of the nutritional facts where is says "calories"? Yeah, eat less then 2000 of those. Congratulations, you can write the check out to...."0 -
SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage wrote: »TL;DR the last 3 pages but I have heard a lot of comments on that commercial. I don't get why people are up in arms. Yes, Oprah has had a weight issue and it's played out on TV. Isn't she the same as a lot of us her on MFP who have struggled with similar issues? Doesn't that make her a relateable spokesperson? Is it really a big sin that she's saying you can enjoy bread, or anything else, if it's within your daily allowance? That's pretty much what we say on MFP every day.
I guess I'm not getting the big deal here...
I don't think it's so much"OMG we can eat bread now?" as it is "How many times are stations allowed to play this freakin' commercial?"0 -
WW is rubbish now it's like SW to restrictive too expensive when all it is is calories in calories out0
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »I just don't like how it makes it sound like WW is the reason she can eat bread. And now, from what I understand from this new point system or whatever people are talking about, WW is severely restricting fats? How is that better? How does that encourage flexible dieting, which is what WW purports to be all about?
Bread is very high on ww now any carb product is
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Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
I think they would say that counting calories can be viewed like a game, too. Though they've simplified the game by using smaller numbers and making the numbers steer you toward more filling, less caloric choices. And by providing a scorekeeper of sorts (scheduled weigh-ins) and a field of co-players, if you go to meetings and a set of carrots to motivate you (charms and stuff for hitting goals if you're a meetings member).0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
I think they would say that counting calories can be viewed like a game, too. Though they've simplified the game by using smaller numbers and making the numbers steer you toward more filling, less caloric choices. And by providing a scorekeeper of sorts (scheduled weigh-ins) and a field of co-players, if you go to meetings and a set of carrots to motivate you (charms and stuff for hitting goals if you're a meetings member).
+1. My weight watcher friend said the same thing. It's more of a game with the daily, weekly, and exercise points you can play around with and juggle in a week (she still incorporates her activity points even though they frown upon it now). Plus then you get fun stickers and charms. When she hit goal they rolled out a red carpet for her, so community recognition is huge. For me, juggling those things just seems like a headache but to each their own.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
I find counting calories/macros like a game. I pre-log each evening for the next day and it feels fun -- like a puzzle game. But maybe I'm just weird.
Then I'm weird, too
It's like Tetris and The Price is Right all rolled together. I fit foods together to match and reach my macros/micros, etc., all while keeping the calories as close to the goal without going over. Now where's my new jet skis and outdoor barbecue, Bob Barker? 0 -
williams969 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Here's what I don't get. If counting points is a game, why isn't counting calories a game? Why is that so impossible? It's the same idea. You get a pot of points/calories, eat and stay under that number.
I find counting calories/macros like a game. I pre-log each evening for the next day and it feels fun -- like a puzzle game. But maybe I'm just weird.
Then I'm weird, too It's like Tetris and The Price is Right all rolled together. I fit foods together to match and reach my macros/micros, etc., all while keeping the calories as close to the goal without going over. Now where's my new jet skis and outdoor barbecue, Bob Barker?
Come on down!
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meganridenour wrote: »What I'm confused about is that from what I hear, the new WW program actually makes it near impossible to indulge and makes it so you are only supposed to eat stereotypically "healthy" foods... So not promoting eating everything in moderation, but only eating the things WW wants you to eat.
That seems to be it, was talking to my sister who is on the program. A 20 oz pepsi is 16 points, she eats a breakfast of 3 egg whites, a pouch of tuna, and an ounce of cheese and that is 1 point...... She knows she is gaming the system by finding the low and no point foods, but it just seems a really unbalanced system with a good bit of food shaming in it. Really anti sugar, which just doesn't seem sustainable.0 -
The Pepsi is probably around 6-8 points. Three egg whites is 1 point, 3 oz. tuna is 2 points, an ounce of regular (not lowfat) cheese is 3. So 6 points total.
She's not gaming the system. She's eating how they want her to learn to eat to maintain a healthy weight and good nutrition.0 -
makingmark wrote: »meganridenour wrote: »What I'm confused about is that from what I hear, the new WW program actually makes it near impossible to indulge and makes it so you are only supposed to eat stereotypically "healthy" foods... So not promoting eating everything in moderation, but only eating the things WW wants you to eat.
That seems to be it, was talking to my sister who is on the program. A 20 oz pepsi is 16 points, she eats a breakfast of 3 egg whites, a pouch of tuna, and an ounce of cheese and that is 1 point...... She knows she is gaming the system by finding the low and no point foods, but it just seems a really unbalanced system with a good bit of food shaming in it. Really anti sugar, which just doesn't seem sustainable.
I think the anti-sugar stuff is actually really good. Who knows if it will change in another 10 years, but obviously they are figuring out fat isn't really that bad for you. And cholesterol in food and some amount of sodium aren't killers either. But eating a lot of added sugar seems to be linked to some problems. New USDA regulations are along the lines of less than 10g of added sugar a day. I don't always hit this, but I consume less sugar than I used to for sure. WW still needs to fix their weird "low fat" thing though.0 -
The Points Plus system was pretty manageable, I did it for a while and I have a coworker who lost 40+lbs on it. But this new system they changed to for 2016? It's still pretty new but I haven't found anyone yet who really likes it. What's weird is my friend has been Lifetime for a year, and the same food she was eating on Points Plus for her maintenance total is NOW "over" her points on the new system. So according to WW, what was working for maintenance for her is now too much and she'll "gain weight." But it's the same food. That says to me the calculations are flawed.0
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