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Keto diet
meekmoe85
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6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. 
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Wouldn't some vegetables be more important for your health and wellbeing than fruits? I always thought fruits were much more optional for a healthy life than vegetables.0
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6 days is far too short of a time to determine success or failure.
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Brocoli spinach cucumber very low carbs and nutritious and will break the borderm of pure meat0
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I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕0
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^ my cousin makes bulletproof coffee on keto- adds coconut oil/butter. still creamy but high fat. I don't really know what to think of keto as shes focusing on only doing high fat, more so than protein, which imo, cant be good for organs.I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕
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I like to see this debated. Recently had a friend switch to keto. He is a nutrition science major and bodybuilder. I was under the impression that the studies say at the end of the day keto makes no difference. In fact low fat diet did a little better in fat loss. CICO is king then macros.0
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6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.
Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.
If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:
(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.
(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.
(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.
(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Wouldn't some vegetables be more important for your health and wellbeing than fruits? I always thought fruits were much more optional for a healthy life than vegetables.
This is my reading of the various nutrition information out there.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.
Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.
If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:
(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.
(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.
(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.
(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).
I'm generally of this opinion, too. After watching someone try (and fail) many times to do keto, I've learned a few important facts:
- Reddit users have a screwed up definition of "healthy" (saying this because the Keto Reddit forum seems to be where a lot of Ketoers go for information)
- Keto flu sucks.
- The amount of grease one creates from all that HF cooking can really saturate a kitchen. We're still in the process of having to scrape the congealed fat off of our appliances and light fixtures. It got everywhere.
That being said, while the person I witnessed was able to stay on plan, he did lose weight. I've also heard it can be a life-changing diet for people with seizure disorders. Just... definitely not the diet for the majority, IMO.
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Ketosis is to hard to maintain its a crash diet to failure0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.
Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.
If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:
(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.
(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.
(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.
(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).
Wondering this too. If it isnt meant for debate, I can move it.0 -
Not sure how this applies to debating yet, so I'm going to leave the keto portion alone and wish ANYTHING worked wonders in 6 days.0
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6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.
No carbs?
Hmm.
And if I were going to "introduce things back" to a keto diet I'd start with vegetables.
Are you sure you've read up on a keto diet?0 -
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Maybe the OP checked her crystal ball and determined that any thread with "keto" in the title is going to end up resulting in debate so she just started her thread here rather than subjecting it to being moved later, in entirety or in pieces...0
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I wouldn't go overboard on following Ketogenic diets. They may be ok for dropping weight quickly in short run but in the long term could cause you harm. If you consume virtually no carbs I.e no glucose your body will make glucose because it needs it. It does this by a process known as gluconeogenisis whereby the proteins are converted into glucose to support your energy demands. If you want to loose weight, just reduce your pro, carb and fat levels and it shouldn't be a problem. Plus you'll be loosing your consumed protein... It's unlikely you will live the rest of your life avoiding carbs, so enjoy them in moderation.0
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mattyc772014 wrote: »I like to see this debated. Recently had a friend switch to keto. He is a nutrition science major and bodybuilder. I was under the impression that the studies say at the end of the day keto makes no difference. In fact low fat diet did a little better in fat loss. CICO is king then macros.
Either way works, so I've heard.0 -
I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!0
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mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
It depends on a lot of factors: genetics, how your body responds to fats, especially which fats you eat (unsaturated vs saturated). In general, any diet that helps you lose weight will improve your cholesterol levels; regardless if it's vegan, keto/lc, paleo, flexible etc.. But there are people out there who don't respond well to high fat diets.
Keep in mind, that high fat diets doesn't mean highly saturated. There are plenty of highly unsaturated sources of foods which have been shown to improve cholesterol, fish and nuts being the two main ones that I can think of.0 -
Have you tried cashew milk or full fat Coconut milk from a can?
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mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
As lemon says, people vary quite a bit on whether they react poorly to higher levels of sat fat. If you don't, just losing weight should lower cholesterol, although some people have poor levels regardless of diet and weight -- just unlucky.0 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
I have a friend who went on the Keto diet last year. She is an example of what psulemon was talking about. She has a bad set of genes for the diet - and ended up with a cholesterol level of more than 300.
Like I said though - that's not the diet itself. That's a likely combination of the diet with genetics. Even with the controversy of dietary fat and its relationship with cholesterol, her doctor pulled her off Keto immediately and put her on LFHC, with mostly greens and veggies. Her cholesterol is now normalizing, but she's still working on it.
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I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕
@Clare0116 I don't think 4 tsps of milk will stall you. You could try Heavy whipping cream, coconut milk or make a bullet proof coffee.1 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.
Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.
Individual cholesterol responses :-
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mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
Theses books discus cholesterol and the positive effect a very low carb high fat diet can have for most people's lipid panels:
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living
Cholesterol Clarity
The Great Cholesterol Con
The Cholesterol Myth0 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.
Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.
Individual cholesterol responses :-
Protein percentage appeared to double. I wonder how much impact that had on HDL. Interesting that total and LDL remained neutral.0 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.
Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.
Individual cholesterol responses :-
Protein percentage appeared to double. I wonder how much impact that had on HDL. Interesting that total and LDL remained neutral.
One thing I would find interesting is if they would provide similar nutrition intervention for the control group. Meaning, that they maintain their macronutrients but improved the quality of food. Because with keto, their diet was very high heavy in MUFA and PUFAs.
Oh and funded by Atkins, lol.0 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.
Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.
Individual cholesterol responses :-
Protein percentage appeared to double. I wonder how much impact that had on HDL. Interesting that total and LDL remained neutral.
One thing I would find interesting is if they would provide similar nutrition intervention for the control group. Meaning, that they maintain their macronutrients but improved the quality of food. Because with keto, their diet was very high heavy in MUFA and PUFAs.
Oh and funded by Atkins, lol.
I hate when studies get clearly biased by the people paying for them. People walk away from it assuming all research is biased and can be dismissed. /rant0 -
mrbgraziano wrote: »I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.
Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.
Individual cholesterol responses :-
Protein percentage appeared to double. I wonder how much impact that had on HDL. Interesting that total and LDL remained neutral.
One thing I would find interesting is if they would provide similar nutrition intervention for the control group. Meaning, that they maintain their macronutrients but improved the quality of food. Because with keto, their diet was very high heavy in MUFA and PUFAs.
Oh and funded by Atkins, lol.
I hate when studies get clearly biased by the people paying for them. People walk away from it assuming all research is biased and can be dismissed. /rant
Personally, even if it was funded by atkins but was designed a bit better, I would be ok. And maybe I didn't see it, but if we are going to compare two diets, we should have similar nutritional standards. Having one group follow a very nutrient dense diet vs another with no control on the quality of food is a bit battling and makes me wonder how this would compare if it looked at keto vs vegan or even Mediterranean.0
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