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meekmoe85meekmoe85 Posts: 2Member Member Posts: 2Member Member
6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. :)
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  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Posts: 20,809Member Member Posts: 20,809Member Member
    Wouldn't some vegetables be more important for your health and wellbeing than fruits? I always thought fruits were much more optional for a healthy life than vegetables.
  • juggernaut1974juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212Member Member Posts: 6,212Member Member
    6 days is far too short of a time to determine success or failure.

  • HotelsmaHotelsma Posts: 64Member Member Posts: 64Member Member
    Brocoli spinach cucumber very low carbs and nutritious and will break the borderm of pure meat
  • Clare0116Clare0116 Posts: 36Member Member Posts: 36Member Member
    I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕
  • MeganDominiqueMeganDominique Posts: 229Member Member Posts: 229Member Member
    ^ my cousin makes bulletproof coffee on keto- adds coconut oil/butter. still creamy but high fat. I don't really know what to think of keto as shes focusing on only doing high fat, more so than protein, which imo, cant be good for organs.
    Clare0116 wrote: »
    I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕

    edited February 2016
  • mattyc772014mattyc772014 Posts: 3,544Member, Premium Member Posts: 3,544Member, Premium Member
    I like to see this debated. Recently had a friend switch to keto. He is a nutrition science major and bodybuilder. I was under the impression that the studies say at the end of the day keto makes no difference. In fact low fat diet did a little better in fat loss. CICO is king then macros.
  • lemurcat12lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886Member Member Posts: 30,886Member Member
    meekmoe85 wrote: »
    6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. :)

    Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

    If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

    (1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

    (2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

    (3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

    (4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).
  • lemurcat12lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886Member Member Posts: 30,886Member Member
    Wouldn't some vegetables be more important for your health and wellbeing than fruits? I always thought fruits were much more optional for a healthy life than vegetables.

    This is my reading of the various nutrition information out there.
  • ManiacalLaughManiacalLaugh Posts: 1,048Member Member Posts: 1,048Member Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    meekmoe85 wrote: »
    6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. :)

    Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

    If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

    (1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

    (2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

    (3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

    (4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).

    I'm generally of this opinion, too. After watching someone try (and fail) many times to do keto, I've learned a few important facts:

    - Reddit users have a screwed up definition of "healthy" (saying this because the Keto Reddit forum seems to be where a lot of Ketoers go for information)

    - Keto flu sucks.

    - The amount of grease one creates from all that HF cooking can really saturate a kitchen. We're still in the process of having to scrape the congealed fat off of our appliances and light fixtures. It got everywhere.


    That being said, while the person I witnessed was able to stay on plan, he did lose weight. I've also heard it can be a life-changing diet for people with seizure disorders. Just... definitely not the diet for the majority, IMO.
  • exum235exum235 Posts: 30Member Member Posts: 30Member Member
    Ketosis is to hard to maintain its a crash diet to failure
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 34,954Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 34,954Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    meekmoe85 wrote: »
    6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. :)

    Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

    If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

    (1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

    (2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

    (3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

    (4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).

    Wondering this too. If it isnt meant for debate, I can move it.
  • kk_inprogresskk_inprogress Posts: 3,077Member Member Posts: 3,077Member Member
    Not sure how this applies to debating yet, so I'm going to leave the keto portion alone and wish ANYTHING worked wonders in 6 days.
  • Sabine_StroehmSabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,380Member Member Posts: 19,380Member Member
    meekmoe85 wrote: »
    6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need. :)

    No carbs?

    Hmm.

    And if I were going to "introduce things back" to a keto diet I'd start with vegetables.

    Are you sure you've read up on a keto diet?
  • stevencloserstevencloser Posts: 8,917Member Member Posts: 8,917Member Member
    exum235 wrote: »
    Ketosis is to hard to maintain its a crash diet to failure

    Nah, there's plenty of people who can manage it fine.
  • WinoGelatoWinoGelato Posts: 13,264Member Member Posts: 13,264Member Member
    Maybe the OP checked her crystal ball and determined that any thread with "keto" in the title is going to end up resulting in debate so she just started her thread here rather than subjecting it to being moved later, in entirety or in pieces...
  • jamkelly10jamkelly10 Posts: 5Member Member Posts: 5Member Member
    I wouldn't go overboard on following Ketogenic diets. They may be ok for dropping weight quickly in short run but in the long term could cause you harm. If you consume virtually no carbs I.e no glucose your body will make glucose because it needs it. It does this by a process known as gluconeogenisis whereby the proteins are converted into glucose to support your energy demands. If you want to loose weight, just reduce your pro, carb and fat levels and it shouldn't be a problem. Plus you'll be loosing your consumed protein... It's unlikely you will live the rest of your life avoiding carbs, so enjoy them in moderation.
  • LHWhite903LHWhite903 Posts: 208Member Member Posts: 208Member Member
    I like to see this debated. Recently had a friend switch to keto. He is a nutrition science major and bodybuilder. I was under the impression that the studies say at the end of the day keto makes no difference. In fact low fat diet did a little better in fat loss. CICO is king then macros.

    Either way works, so I've heard.
  • Sued0nimSued0nim Posts: 17,504Member Member Posts: 17,504Member Member
    kkenseth wrote: »
    Not sure how this applies to debating yet, so I'm going to leave the keto portion alone and wish ANYTHING worked wonders in 6 days.

    Well some people believe that's all it took to make the world

    Personally I'm in for evolution
  • mrbgrazianomrbgraziano Posts: 26Member Member Posts: 26Member Member
    I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 34,954Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 34,954Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!

    It depends on a lot of factors: genetics, how your body responds to fats, especially which fats you eat (unsaturated vs saturated). In general, any diet that helps you lose weight will improve your cholesterol levels; regardless if it's vegan, keto/lc, paleo, flexible etc.. But there are people out there who don't respond well to high fat diets.

    Keep in mind, that high fat diets doesn't mean highly saturated. There are plenty of highly unsaturated sources of foods which have been shown to improve cholesterol, fish and nuts being the two main ones that I can think of.
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