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How much thought/money do you put into the water you drink?
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Thought: none; money: minimal0
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Aside from putting a Brita filter on the tap and changing it when need be, I don't really worry much about my drinking water.
However, I do live with an Environmental Engineer who specialized in wastewater treatment, so I let him handle the water issues at our house. He doesn't seem worried.0 -
0 of both. I'm not going to pay for water. It's a waste of my money and a waste of resources. There are already enough people contributing to the # of plastic bottles in land fills and recycling does not result in 0 net energy/pollution. I have a well at home, which I test annually, and the water reports for the nearby town are SAT so I'm good filling up from the tap wherever I go.0
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summerkissed wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »We drink creek water.....no filter, no testing! Our water is tannin stained so it's a brown color, the cows poo in it lol, animals drink from it and yup we drink it!......we also have very strong tummies and excellent immune systems.....ours kids have only had gastro once in there lives (as young kids when we were living in city) even when gastro and bugs go around school the kids don't pick them up! We think it's because they are exposed to the bugs and it's enough to build up our immune systems! We do buy bottles water if we are staying in the city because we can't handle the taste and smell of the chlorine!
Wow
You know there's a campaign called Water Aid that fights hard to raise money to protect people in the third world from having to drink dirty water that animals defecate in
You mean they have clean water over there?? Here I was thinking the water was filthy with human waste, rubbish due to unsanitary living conditions if I knew it was only the odd cow poop and kangaroo poo I'd never give them money!
The poo itself isn't the problem persay, its the bacteria/viruses/parasite eggs. Also if the animals are consuming high quantities of certain substances, such as arsenic, and then urinating/defecating into the water sources...well, you get the point.0 -
Apologies, that disclaimer was meant for the "peanut gallery" not you specifically.
No problem, I just assumed you were referring to me with that because the first part of the post was directed towards me and I felt my own post had sounded ignorant enough to give you the wrong impression. I was more concerned about how you thought of me than insulted.hazleyes81 wrote: »The poo itself isn't the problem persay, its the bacteria/viruses/parasite eggs. Also if the animals are consuming high quantities of certain substances, such as arsenic, and then urinating/defecating into the water sources...well, you get the point.
That makes sense. After all, some sprouts from plants are given their start by being consumed as seeds.0 -
http://ausglobetrotter.com/2013/10/Tasmania.html
My home......you people can be so so rude!!
I'm not skinny because of parasites or bacteria! nor am I a bad mum because my kids drink from the creek! I don't live were there's 'town water' yup animals drink from our creek!! No one around here filters water caught off roofs (but birds still poop on there) we are fit, we are healthy, our kids get dirty they aren't wrapped in cotton wool! We don't smother them in antibacterials before they eat! In fact we don't use antibacterials or bleach at all in our house.....Ohhhh and before you say anything my home is beautiful, clean and fresh...... I DONT LIVE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY so why compare me to them! Where I live its pristine, beautiful and untouched........I live in Beautiful Tasmania0 -
summerkissed wrote: »The point I'm making is humans shouldn't be drinking water that animals defecate in without filtering
If that was true the human race would have died out thousands of years ago!! I know it sounds rank but fact is our bodies are equipped to build immunity to bacteria like that! I'm talking clean creek water here like nature intended!!
So why do so many people in developing countries (especially children) die of dysentery or parasitic infections from lack of clean water? Do you think all of that is just made up? smh at the ignorance...
When did I say I live in a developing country??? And I never said I have dirty water........quote I'm talking clean creek water here like nature intended!![0 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Mapalicious wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »Mapalicious wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »Mapalicious wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »Mapalicious wrote: »ForgetfoodDrinktea wrote: »'If that was true the human race would have died out thousands of years ago!! I know it sounds rank but fact is our bodies are equipped to build immunity to bacteria like that! I'm talking clean creek water here like nature intended!'
This is true... Probiotics are a very important part of older nutritional lifestyles. I'm glad your body can handle that water. However many normal people nowadays couldn't handle this type of water.
Call it evolution or just dietary changes, but our bodies really can't handle that bacterial disaster unless we eat the right things.
Sure, we could make it a possibility. What with the probiotics in kombucha, yogurt, kefir, vinegar, fermented foods, etc. We can build a stronger immunity.
People today have it easy, with tap water that's precleaned and fancy vegetable washers and scrubbers and refrigerators.
Considering that many people around the world survive just fine on less-than-ideal water, it's less "evolutionary" on the human DNA scale than it is on the scale of our own microbial ecosystem's evolution (like..what's in our bodies and guts)...you train it to be hardcore, it will be hardcore for you. While some basic sanitation is great (not dying before the age of 5 from diarrhea is pretty awesome), living in an over-sanitized landscape is awful for us too, IMO. We're delicate, and creating super-bugs that can kill us.
Also bottled water (especially in plastic water bottles, and no "BPA free" doesn't mean it doesn't have other cancerous alternatives) isn't good for you.
Citation needed.
Sure, @FunkyTobias
BPA is Bisphenol A...it's easy enough to look up on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A) where you can read about it's estrogen-like activity, and why it's been banned from baby bottles. As it also says...current research is still in process (as always...science!!), and that's what I find most interesting.
So, BPA is tricky because it affects the endocrine system (as in it affects your estrogen and androgen receptors: it can mess with your reproductive system, among other things). Also, recent studies show that the dose-response relationship of BPA is entirely against common sense: high doses don't affect health, but low doses do. Unfortunately, the CDC's current stance is based on animal studies in which they were given extremely high rates.
I know this stuff because I work in envt'l and food health (MPH, PhD-in-process). Also, my fiance is a chemist/toxicologist researching this right now in a university/govt partnership. It's interesting to be at the forefront of this research. We'll likely see changes in CDC recommendations in the next few years. There are a few papers out about this in animal studies, but thanks to the Nazi Holocaust & Tuskeegee trials we don't really test things on people anymore. Working on doing other kinds of epidemiological studies though.
BPA is often replaced w/ BPF or BPE, (also byproducts of oil refinement processes - just like most plastics - which is why they were suggested as 'replacements' for BPA when studies about its danger started coming out). These replacement compounds, unfortunately, have also been linked to the same issues, and also carcinogenicity, DNA damage, and metabolic effects. The search goes on!
Here is a good citation w/ good review of other recent work: https://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/02/27/toxsci.kfu030.full.pdf
TL;DR - probably best to use glass/ceramic containers, or at the very least do not put hot food in plastic, not even "bpa-free" plastic.
Re: bold.
Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of statistics could tell you that you're dealing with a statistical artifact, not a real result.
And I find it hilarious that you are more worried about the trivial risk of plastic than the very real risk of contaminated water.
No worries, mate. I'll trust my ivy-league trained chemist over you at the moment. And changing to glass is no biggie for me.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying you "find it hilarious." Is that sarcasm? I don't believe I ever said anything about not being also concerned with "contaminated water" - what are the contaminants you care about, @FunkyTobias ?
E coli, giardia, etc.
You know. All that stuff you're supposedly training your system to be "hardcore " with.
Sure, @FunkyTobias . Those are good ones to be worried about! Good thing they're hardly in circulation in the US. Giardia is almost exterminated, and e. coli circulates on food more than in water.
I am not sure why you think I'm trying to build up an immunity against them? Where have I ever stated that? I have had giardia, as well as amoebic dysentery, and it's really no fun (even though I lost 30 lbs w/ the two of them, once. Do not recommend that weight-loss plan!) Also, I certainly don't want to make light of the fact that many people w/o good water systems die and get ill un-necessarily.
No kidding...
I guess nobody told the CDC
During the past 30 years, Giardia infection has become recognized as a common cause of waterborne disease in humans in the United States. Giardia can be found worldwide and within every region of the United States
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/private/wells/disease/giardia.html
What gets me is the claim that she doesn't have to worry about giardia because it's "almost exterminated" and then she throws out there she's had it before.
@Carlos_421 and @FunkyTobias
I got Giardia in Nepal, sir, not in the United States. The incidence of Giardia in the US over the past 20 years or so has hovered around 4/1000 per year, with lots of variation based on your age (as in all countries - children are more susceptible). It's a problem, but not so much as compared to 3rd world countries. In Nepal, for example, it occurs at about 10 times the rate of the US. Additionally, it leads to more deaths there, because there is lower access to health care for those people who are more susceptible to it. Quite an issue! Perhaps 'almost exterminated' is something you read, @Carlos_421, as a stronger statement that I meant...therefore it "got you," as you say. While it is still a concern, it is on the decline, largely because of new regulations around municipal filtration systems that were instituted by the Environmental Protection Agency in the 1990s. This, in conjunction with relative ease of access to health care in the US and Canada, means that Giardia is BOTH on the decline AND treatable (rather than often debilitating and fatal, as it is in much of the 3rd world). This is what I mean by 'almost exterminated' as a problem.
So, worries friends...calm your fears! I am no enemy of yours to wring your hands about. I am not advocating that we drink water that may have feces in it. I will repeat myself again: I only suggest that bottled water is a scam, and also that reverse-osmosis and other such home-filtration systems are unnecessary purchases in most US/Canadian municipalities.0 -
summerkissed wrote: »
My water supply! Can hardly compare that to a developing/third world country!!!!
Actually yes.
Many cases of giardia come from water that looks perfectly clean.
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summerkissed wrote: »http://ausglobetrotter.com/2013/10/Tasmania.html
My home......you people can be so so rude!!
I'm not skinny because of parasites or bacteria! nor am I a bad mum because my kids drink from the creek! I don't live were there's 'town water' yup animals drink from our creek!! No one around here filters water caught off roofs (but birds still poop on there) we are fit, we are healthy, our kids get dirty they aren't wrapped in cotton wool! We don't smother them in antibacterials before they eat! In fact we don't use antibacterials or bleach at all in our house.....Ohhhh and before you say anything my home is beautiful, clean and fresh...... I DONT LIVE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY so why compare me to them! Where I live its pristine, beautiful and untouched........I live in Beautiful Tasmania
Sounds great to me.
I've drunk out of many a stream on a fell run and it's never killed me. Your life sounds wonderful and I'm sure your kids have a great childhood living where you do.0 -
And at least you know you are not contributing to the ongoing pollution of the planet.
http://www.treehugger.com/clean-water/the-us-consumes-1500-plastic-water-bottles-every-second-a-fact-by-watershed.html0 -
That's really really beautiful
Would I want that to be my drinking water supply - heck no
But still very beautiful
I am glad no one you know has suffered any ill effects from your water supply - long may that continue
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It wouldn't need to be life threatening for me to avoid it.
I had to clean up after my dog and my parent's dog when they got giardia at my place. I had never actually seen or imagined a literal lake of liquid poo before (with bonus sprays up the walls). And there they were - two of them. With a poo-covered dog standing miserably in the middle of each. One in the utility room and one in the guest bedroom.0 -
I avoid following what nature intended. I can't commune with it to divine its intent, but based on our existence in a universe that is lethal in 99.999999% of the observable parts of it within minutes (vacuum of space, stars, other planets, our oceans) I tend to think nature intends to kill me, or at least doesn't have much interest in my survival.0
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Rwanda
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Congo, Dem. Rep.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Rwanda
Afghanistan
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Congo, Dem. Rep.
Beautiful beautiful dysentery.0 -
Ashtoretet wrote: »Unless you're in Flint or a third world country, I can't see it mattering enough to freak out about..I use filters and call it a day.
Anywhere can be Flint.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Rwanda
Afghanistan
Sierra Leone
Kenya
Congo, Dem. Rep.
Beautiful beautiful dysentery.
It tugs on my heart strings... no wait! - different organ, different pull.0 -
summerkissed wrote: »http://ausglobetrotter.com/2013/10/Tasmania.html
My home......you people can be so so rude!!
I'm not skinny because of parasites or bacteria! nor am I a bad mum because my kids drink from the creek! I don't live were there's 'town water' yup animals drink from our creek!! No one around here filters water caught off roofs (but birds still poop on there) we are fit, we are healthy, our kids get dirty they aren't wrapped in cotton wool! We don't smother them in antibacterials before they eat! In fact we don't use antibacterials or bleach at all in our house.....Ohhhh and before you say anything my home is beautiful, clean and fresh...... I DONT LIVE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY so why compare me to them! Where I live its pristine, beautiful and untouched........I live in Beautiful Tasmania
Sounds great to me.
I've drunk out of many a stream on a fell run and it's never killed me. Your life sounds wonderful and I'm sure your kids have a great childhood living where you do.
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My brother got giardia from this river.
He was kayaking and accidentally swallowed some water.0 -
OMG your bug that your talking about can be caught by food, swimming in chlorinated pools, just about anything actually!!! The most common way of catching this bug is actually at day-care/child-care centers not through drinking water! Kids are the biggest carriers because they are dirty little unhygienic things so you all better get rid of them or wash them in bleach lol
In fact your bug can be caught by drinking treated water because it's resistant to chlorination and ozonolysis!! Run for the hills....no don't, you guys are scared of that as well lol
Quote-They may also occur in city reservoirs and persist after water treatment, as the cysts are resistant to conventional water treatment methods, such as chlorination and ozonolysis.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
My brother got giardia from this river.
He was kayaking and accidentally swallowed some water.
That's where he 'thinks' he caught it!.....so many way of transmission that he can actually only 'assume' that's where he caught it!
It's also resistant to heat/boiling so you are not guaranteed to kill that way either!0 -
Since we're posting pictures of rivers, might as well put this one here for those that think drinking water from rivers and streams is safe.
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We are doomed!!
I've just done a lot of quick reading on this Giardia.....it's not something I'm even worried about lol0 -
You realize that giardia isn't the only organism that will make you sick, right?0
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Yes there's lots waterborne or not!! Most are caught by kids and schools are a dangerous place but what should I home school my kids and stop them from going near other kids for fear they might catch something? I know a lot of people don't understand the way we live but here it's normal!!! Kids have less sick days here than in the cities there's less gastro, less colds and flues, less kids with allergies, asthma and obesity! ok we have more cuts, bruises, broken bones and stitches lol but that's because they are out climbing trees, riding bikes, jumping hay bales and trying to ride the goats! That's our life we live it we have done it forever and will continue this way!! We grow and kill our own meat, grow our own veggies, and drink water from a creek! I'd say we are exposed to less bugs, chemicals and pollution than anyone in a town or city!
The op asked how much thought you put into your water I answered then got ridiculed but it changes nothing!! I live in my own paradise and that's where I'll stay living this way thank you!!! We are fit and healthy!!0 -
summerkissed wrote: »Yes there's lots waterborne or not!! Most are caught by kids and schools are a dangerous place but what should I home school my kids and stop them from going near other kids for fear they might catch something? I know a lot of people don't understand the way we live but here it's normal!!! Kids have less sick days here than in the cities there's less gastro, less colds and flues, less kids with allergies, asthma and obesity! ok we have more cuts, bruises, broken bones and stitches lol but that's because they are out climbing trees, riding bikes, jumping hay bales and trying to ride the goats! That's our life we live it we have done it forever and will continue this way!! We grow and kill our own meat, grow our own veggies, and drink water from a creek! I'd say we are exposed to less bugs, chemicals and pollution than anyone in a town or city!
The op asked how much thought you put into your water I answered then got ridiculed but it changes nothing!! I live in my own paradise and that's where I'll stay living this way thank you!!! We are fit and healthy!!
Here's the thing: no, of course you don't keep your kids home from school to keep them away from illness. Just like you don't keep them out of parking lots to keep them from getting backed over or out of the ocean to keep them from getting eaten by a shark. It's a simple evaluation of statistics and risks/benefit. It almost seems like you're going out of your way to have your family drink poopy creek water...you could be drinking clean water, but instead you drink from the creek, why, for some perceived increased immunity to other non-water borne diseases? To me, it's akin to sending to your children to a school that requires them to cross an 8 lane highway on foot instead of the one next door because the one across the highway has newer math textbooks - it's a huge unnecessary risk for a supposed benefit that might not even pan out.
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No I just turn on the pump fill the tank then use the tap.......it's raining now do we have to treat that water as well because it ran over our roof? Do I go buy water in bottles? Do I make the kids use that for brushing teeth as well? Crikeys id hate to live where you guys all do.....8 lane highways? And can't drink water from your own taps for fear of contamination even though by sounds of it most are treated water! So you go buy more filters and bottled water anyway.....I don't get it! We don't have names for people that live in the bush or in the city they are all just people, I'm thinking your 'valley people' are the ones on those stupid tv shows we see from the US like turtle man and the cat fish people......you have some really strange people and shows I must say!0
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