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Probiotics
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singingflutelady wrote: »@BinaryPulsar I attempted to eat one piece of lettuce last night.. Let's just say it was an utter failure
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A few weeks ago I increased my probiotic dosage to 1 capsule a day, and ditched taking it like I initially used to (poured out of the capsule and into yogurt). I've mostly been taking it at the end of a meal after eating fibrous vegetables. It does seem as though there's been some improvement in my system. Perhaps I wasted so much time taking too small of a dose (and possibly the wrong way as well).0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »A few weeks ago I increased my probiotic dosage to 1 capsule a day, and ditched taking it like I initially used to (poured out of the capsule and into yogurt). I've mostly been taking it at the end of a meal after eating fibrous vegetables. It does seem as though there's been some improvement in my system. Perhaps I wasted so much time taking too small of a dose (and possibly the wrong way as well).
Well, it's always good to start slow and test things out. Because we don't really know what probiotics we need or not. Potentially probiotics pills could cause an imbalance. But, that's pretty rare. So much gets killed in our stomach acid as they make the journey to our large intestine. But, even when they get killed it triggers positive immune responses in our microbiome. Though some people with auto-immune disease might need to be more cautious. I like the book Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body's Most Underrated Organ by Giulia Enders.2 -
Yes, very true.BinaryPulsar wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »A few weeks ago I increased my probiotic dosage to 1 capsule a day, and ditched taking it like I initially used to (poured out of the capsule and into yogurt). I've mostly been taking it at the end of a meal after eating fibrous vegetables. It does seem as though there's been some improvement in my system. Perhaps I wasted so much time taking too small of a dose (and possibly the wrong way as well).
Well, it's always good to start slow and test things out. Because we don't really know what probiotics we need or not. Potentially probiotics pills could cause an imbalance. But, that's pretty rare. So much gets killed in our stomach acid as they make the journey to our large intestine. But, even when they get killed it triggers positive immune responses in our microbiome. Though some people with auto-immune disease might need to be more cautious. I like the book Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body's Most Underrated Organ by Giulia Enders.
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I thought there was another thread on the gut microbiome but cannot find one, so this is likely the best place for this.
Here's a really interesting article by Michael Pollan about analyzing gut populations and differences, which I found through another link to the Human Gut Project: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/magazine/say-hello-to-the-100-trillion-bacteria-that-make-up-your-microbiome.html1 -
I'm on my third round of antibiotics since December. I've been taking probiotics while on this round of antibiotics, and I have to say they seem to be helping dramatically. I didn't take them last round (last month) and ended up with a horrible yeast infection, and I was very sick to my stomach every day. While I do feel a bit queasy every morning, the infection hasn't happened this time, and I'm not actually vomiting. Not sure if it's the addition of the probiotic, but that seems to be the case.3
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JustMissTracy wrote: »I'm on my third round of antibiotics since December. I've been taking probiotics while on this round of antibiotics, and I have to say they seem to be helping dramatically. I didn't take them last round (last month) and ended up with a horrible yeast infection, and I was very sick to my stomach every day. While I do feel a bit queasy every morning, the infection hasn't happened this time, and I'm not actually vomiting. Not sure if it's the addition of the probiotic, but that seems to be the case.
I would definitely say it's the probiotic. I get the same symptoms as you when I take antibiotics. But if I take probiotics alongside them, all is good.2 -
For me they are a must. Probiotics ended my depression, better then years of pills with bad side affects ever did. Now I only take them a few times a week or after a big meal. It's great to poop with ease.3
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I haven't found any probiotic supplements that made any noticeable difference but kefir definitely did. I now am thinking dairy may be part of my problems though so I'm back to looking for a good supplement without dairy. I will browse this thread for suggestions!0
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I have to say that probiotics are what helped me gain remission from ulcerative colitis. I am faithful in taking mine and also add fermented foods and kombucha, a little each day. While this helps the gut, I still have lingering body inflammation and have always had it. My doc thinks that once your body has been triggered by immune response (the UC) it will always be susceptible to other auto-immune issues.
I have to say that the body inflammation is becoming a problem and I am trying to decrease it. Think of it as DMOS times 5 all over the body. The only time it is alleviated is while I am working out and the body is "warmed up." I have eliminated wheat for now and will give it a few months to see if it does anything. I have not eliminated other grains yet as I really don't consume them anyway ... perhaps rice once a week and corn once a month. I have had allergy testing and show not even the slightest allergic reaction to anything other than mold and oak pollen ... no food issues.2 -
If the right microbes at the right ratios are in our GI tract probiotics should not cause any health improvements or negative side effects as I understand it.
prescribe-nutrition.com/probiotics-got/
If you do experience the Herxheimer Reaction take it as warning you may have more health issues than you thought. We ran into this at our house but now are taking probiotics without NEGATIVE side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarisch%E2%80%93Herxheimer_reaction
The article below states terminally ill or those with wrecked immune systems may not should take probiotics.
everydayhealth.com/digestive-health/the-pros-and-cons-of-probiotics.aspx
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Our nutritionist suggested probiotics for my oldest, she was diagnosed with Crohn's 4 years ago. She take 25billion a day, less than that showed minimum improvement. They obviously aren't a cure-all, but for her they have minimised the stomach pain and eliminated the chronic diarrhea, meaning she has been able to stop taking certain meds/supplements and can be more active. She's finally been able to gain weight and is now a healthy 94 pounds at 11 years old and 5'2".
No, I don't think everybody needs them, but in some cases they do a world of good.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »If the right microbes at the right ratios are in our GI tract probiotics should not cause any health improvements or negative side effects as I understand it.
prescribe-nutrition.com/probiotics-got/
If you do experience the Herxheimer Reaction take it as warning you may have more health issues than you thought. We ran into this at our house but now are taking probiotics without NEGATIVE side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarisch%E2%80%93Herxheimer_reaction
The article below states terminally ill or those with wrecked immune systems may not should take probiotics.
everydayhealth.com/digestive-health/the-pros-and-cons-of-probiotics.aspx
I get that Herxheimer reaction. Histamine reactions. My doctor recommended a different probiotic that's more specific to what he thinks is behind my dysbiosis (from testing) and now I am improving.1 -
I guess I am going back on probiotics. I just started a round of Cipro
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singingflutelady wrote: »I guess I am going back on probiotics. I just started a round of Cipro
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Thanks. Just a UTI but I am immunosuppressed so they take it seriously. It's from my Crohn's (I have lovely fistulas which increase the risk of infection)0
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singingflutelady wrote: »Thanks. Just a UTI but I am immunosuppressed so they take it seriously. It's from my Crohn's (I have lovely fistulas which increase the risk of infection)
Ugh! I just had my first one a few weeks back and it was awful! Hope you find relief soon!0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Thanks. Just a UTI but I am immunosuppressed so they take it seriously. It's from my Crohn's (I have lovely fistulas which increase the risk of infection)
Oh, sorry to hear that. Yes, UTIs can be extremely serious in people that are immunosuppressed. Worth it to do the antibiotics sooner, rather than later. But, I know it's awful to deal with the repercussions of antibiotics. But, you are doing the right stuff.0 -
Does anyone know if it is necessary to take a probiotic every single day? I have been for years, but it gets very expensive, and was wondering if say 3-4 times a week for would still give benefits.. I have no health issues.2
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Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know if it is necessary to take a probiotic every single day? I have been for years, but it gets very expensive, and was wondering if say 3-4 times a week for would still give benefits.. I have no health issues.
I have the same question for the same reason.
If one is consuming something that daily kills the good critters then perhaps yes. Other wise I will have to read something that states daily use besides the marketing materials on the bottles.
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You don't need to take them everyday when you are healthy.0
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BinaryPulsar wrote: »You don't need to take them everyday when you are healthy.
Reason #3 supports your point @BinaryPulsar
@Christine_72 after we are all healed up maybe once a week if one wants to as prevention. My IBS has been gone for over a year now so I expect there is no leaky gut, etc issues going any longer.
I want to learn more about the best fermented vegetables but some of them are not cheap either. The bacteria evolving process caught my attention. Based on that if my own will evolve that may be better than lab strands.
Sorry I forgot the link with the info.
fearlesseating.net/stop-taking-probiotics/
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BinaryPulsar wrote: »You don't need to take them everyday when you are healthy.
Do you mean not to bother taking them at all, or just not everday?
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It depends. Not everyone needs to take them. But, because of the issues that I have now, I will continue to take them even after I recover just to be on the safe side. But, I wouldn't take them every day. Fermented foods are good too if you can tolerate them: sauerkraut, yogurt or kefir (can be the goat's milk kind if you tolerate it better).0
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The Udi's children's probiotic that I take is pretty inexpensive. I chose it because it contains Bididobacterium infantis. It has other things in it too. It needs to be refrigerated, and does not come in a capsule. Empty capsules are cheap, if you can get the probiotic that you want in powdered form.0
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lithezebra wrote: »The Udi's children's probiotic that I take is pretty inexpensive. I chose it because it contains Bididobacterium infantis. It has other things in it too. It needs to be refrigerated, and does not come in a capsule. Empty capsules are cheap, if you can get the probiotic that you want in powdered form.
Oh good to know. One of the probiotics I take is Align. It's just Bifidus Infantis. Udi's sounds like a good one!0 -
@lithezebra why did you choose bifidus infantis?0
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I recently was on two rounds of antibiotics. The first, a 3 day course for cystitis didn't clear up and instead the infection spread to my kidneys (omg so painful!!!). Anyway, when I was put on the second course (7 days) the doctor advised picking up something like yakult and taking it daily during and after the course. I did and I think it really helped, for one I didn't get thrush this time round and I think it may have helped my lactose intolerance. I can't be sure yet but for example, yesterday I had ice cream, pizza, cheese sandwich, and a latte with no stomach pain at all. Normally I can stomach 1 or 2 of those in a day.
Of course, this is just my anecdotal experience but seeing as yakult is inexpensive and tastes decent I think I'll keep it up for awhile.
I bought some cottage cheese today to have on my salad at work and I'm drinking a large skim latte at the moment! lol as much as I enjoy soy milk in porridge there's nothing like real cow's milk with espresso.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@lithezebra why did you choose bifidus infantis?
I have an issue with IBS-C. The probiotic/prebiotic combination seems to be helping quite a bit. I'm regular, and I've been able to eat more vegetables without pain.1 -
lithezebra wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@lithezebra why did you choose bifidus infantis?
I have an issue with IBS-C. The probiotic/prebiotic combination seems to be helping quite a bit. I'm regular, and I've been able to eat more vegetables without pain.
I don't have IBS-C. I had D. But, now my main symptom is bloating and flushing/nerve pain in face/eyes. It's a histamine reaction to food. I take bifidus because it reduces histamine. Some probiotics (such as l.casei) increase histamine, some reduce, some are neutral. My doctor has me taking Laterosporus BOD for suspected Candida in gut because my sibo test was negative. I'm improving.0
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