Taking a stand against my trainers diet

hko718

raven56706 wrote: »

Also, there is this BCAA drink he told me to buy. Its called Intra MD+. He swears its a meal replacement but many have said it isnt. he said the amino acids are protein already and should be enough for a meal but no one agrees with him.

Its not a meal replacement right?

This guy sounds like an idiot. I hope you didn't pay your "trainer". If you take one serving of Xtend BCAAS that is only 7g of protein.

kshama2001

raven56706 wrote: »

Also, there is this BCAA drink he told me to buy. Its called Intra MD+. He swears its a meal replacement but many have said it isnt. he said the amino acids are protein already and should be enough for a meal but no one agrees with him.

Its not a meal replacement right?

This? It's 120 calories and doesn't list carbs and fat. That's not a meal.

dubird

htimpaired wrote: »

raven56706 wrote: »

you can take a look at my diary and see if im doing well. i mean i started on my own yesterday and want to make sure im on the right track.

Also to clear some things up because i didnt provide enough info. So he wanted me to take supplements to help out. Probiotics, vitamins and etc. He believes that the organs in my stomach arent working up to par and maybe thats whats causing the anxiety. I was like ummm ok sounds good. I didnt care because it would have been a win win for me. He wanted for me to get better without the medicine so i can slowly come off of it. He didnt want me to go cold turkey. He just didnt want me to rely on it.

Also it was a 5 meal plan and since i workout in the early morning he had me drinking a bcaa drink during my workout. Mind you he said that was a meal but it was 30g of amino acids and several people didnt call it a meal. I dont know.

hopefully this info helps you out to make a judgement.

This trainer is a joke. He's not qualified to discuss your medications with you at all, like others have said. He's a trainer. He should be working with you on your fitness. That's all. As far as vitamins and supplements go, it's always good to review those with your doctor too, because some might interact with your meds, or interfere with absorption. "Organs in my stomach aren't up to par and that's why you're anxious?". That's some *kitten* if I've ever heard it. (edited to add: I'm saying your trainer is full of it, not you!).

I take an antidepressant right now for pain management (Cymbalta), but I've been on a bunch of different meds over the years for anxiety, and I can vouch for the fact that you can absolutely lose weight while on meds. And exercise is my number one defense against anxiety. I notice the change in my mental health if I miss too many days at the gym. Work with your doctor if the Celexa is causing side effects. As with any med-it's a cost to benefit decision you with have to make.

#TRUTH

Here's the thing: while it would be nice to not have to rely on meds to function, the sad truth is that some people need them. I'm one of them. If you are as well, accept it and work with it. If you have concerns about side effects of what you're currently on, talk to your doctor about it. There are many options out there, and you might have to try a few to hit on the right combo for you. It's possible to work out and get to a point to not need blood sugar meds anymore, or similar stuff, but the brain doesn't really work that way. Sucks, but I've accepted it and it's made things a lot easier for me!

If you lost weight before with MFP, go back and look at how you did it. You've made adjustments before, and know how to adjust your diet, so now you just need to make new adjustments to compensate for the meds if that's what's causing the extra weight gain. It might be harder this time, but you know what you're doing. Don't let an unqualified 'nutritionist' make you believe otherwise.

I would also consider seeing a physical therapist to help you work out exercises that will benefit you and not hurt your neck. The ones I know to do that don't hurt my back is because I went to a PT years ago for my neck locking up, and she gave me many stretches and exercises that strengthen the muscles without hurting. If you decide to go to another trainer, tell them you've got your diet under control, you're just looking at exercises you can do to tone muscle without making your neck worse. If they can't do just that for you, it's not worth your time and money! There are good trainers out there, but sometimes you have to sift through a lot of them to find one that you're comfortable with!

raven56706

thanks everyone...

i guess me putting this on here was to motivate me to go back to the MFP way. Plus i wanted to validate what i was thinking for awhile. That he really doesnt know what he is talking about.

plus i havent been dedicated on here since i had my panic attack that revealed my anxiety.

one other question, does it matter what time i eat my carbs?

Commander_Keen

The real answer is No, but my answer is this..
I believe that carbs should be eating 45 min before and after working out. You need fuel to work out, and I believe you need something to repair your muscles after you work out.

Its hard for me imagine that eating all of your carbs at 9am, that you would have plenty of energy to work out at 9pm. Again just my 2cents. .but I bet everybody will say it doesn't matter what time you eat carbs.

dubird

raven56706 wrote: »

thanks everyone...

i guess me putting this on here was to motivate me to go back to the MFP way. Plus i wanted to validate what i was thinking for awhile. That he really doesnt know what he is talking about.

plus i havent been dedicated on here since i had my panic attack that revealed my anxiety.

one other question, does it matter what time i eat my carbs?

Time of day you eat has no bearing on weight loss. Now, time of day you eat some things can make you feel full for a longer time, increasing the time between meals. But you can eat potatoes and go straight to bed if you want to, as long as you don't suffer from acid reflux. Split up your calories over the day in a way to works best FOR YOU. If you want to stick with two meals and a couple of snacks, that's fine. If you want to spread it out into 4-5 smaller meals, that's fine too. Figure out a schedule that works best for you in terms of availability and keeping yourself full between times.

raven56706

kind of figured that thanks. Not to mention, im feeling much better now than before

LovingLife_Erin

misskarne wrote: »

raven56706 wrote: »

you can take a look at my diary and see if im doing well. i mean i started on my own yesterday and want to make sure im on the right track.

Also to clear some things up because i didnt provide enough info. So he wanted me to take supplements to help out. Probiotics, vitamins and etc. He believes that the organs in my stomach arent working up to par and maybe thats whats causing the anxiety. I was like ummm ok sounds good. I didnt care because it would have been a win win for me. He wanted for me to get better without the medicine so i can slowly come off of it. He didnt want me to go cold turkey. He just didnt want me to rely on it.

Also it was a 5 meal plan and since i workout in the early morning he had me drinking a bcaa drink during my workout. Mind you he said that was a meal but it was 30g of amino acids and several people didnt call it a meal. I dont know.

hopefully this info helps you out to make a judgement.

Yeah, the judgement doesn't change, the guy's a quack. If your organs "in your stomach" weren't "working up to par" you would KNOW. Supplements aren't going to do jack squat for that. And the "organs in your stomach" do not cause anxiety, that's a new one!

I can verify that if your "stomach organs" weren't working properly, you'd likely know. My stomach doesn't work well. It basically shuts down for periods which causes me to be constantly nauseated, and throw up lots if I try to eat. Not to mention the severe bloating I have if I eat or drink anything. Illness may cause some anxiety and depression in some, but that's the result of being ill and the severe disruption in one's life.

I also have neck issues and have to avoid a lot of weight lifting (nerve damage in my one arm means it wouldn't be safe). If you aren't comfortable with your trainer's advice, then find another. You are paying for service and should get it. Please don't risk your neck, or going off meds without first discussing it with a doctor.

singingflutelady

LovingLife_Erin wrote: »

misskarne wrote: »

raven56706 wrote: »

you can take a look at my diary and see if im doing well. i mean i started on my own yesterday and want to make sure im on the right track.

Also to clear some things up because i didnt provide enough info. So he wanted me to take supplements to help out. Probiotics, vitamins and etc. He believes that the organs in my stomach arent working up to par and maybe thats whats causing the anxiety. I was like ummm ok sounds good. I didnt care because it would have been a win win for me. He wanted for me to get better without the medicine so i can slowly come off of it. He didnt want me to go cold turkey. He just didnt want me to rely on it.

Also it was a 5 meal plan and since i workout in the early morning he had me drinking a bcaa drink during my workout. Mind you he said that was a meal but it was 30g of amino acids and several people didnt call it a meal. I dont know.

hopefully this info helps you out to make a judgement.

Yeah, the judgement doesn't change, the guy's a quack. If your organs "in your stomach" weren't "working up to par" you would KNOW. Supplements aren't going to do jack squat for that. And the "organs in your stomach" do not cause anxiety, that's a new one!

I can verify that if your "stomach organs" weren't working properly, you'd likely know. My stomach doesn't work well. It basically shuts down for periods which causes me to be constantly nauseated, and throw up lots if I try to eat. Not to mention the severe bloating I have if I eat or drink anything. Illness may cause some anxiety and depression in some, but that's the result of being ill and the severe disruption in one's life.

I also have neck issues and have to avoid a lot of weight lifting (nerve damage in my one arm means it wouldn't be safe). If you aren't comfortable with your trainer's advice, then find another. You are paying for service and should get it. Please don't risk your neck, or going off meds without first discussing it with a doctor.

I can attest to this too. I also have an illness which causes my "stomach organs" ( intestines in my case) not to work properly and it is very obvious by the pain, output (lol), bleeding, blood work, energy level, skin and hair condition and many other symptoms when my intestines are not working properly.

LKArgh

raven56706 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

raven56706 wrote: »

Char231023 wrote: »

Was it your idea or your or your trainer's idea to get off your meds?

not his idea to get off but work towards getting off the meds. As in the work we are putting in would work me off the meds.

when i contacted him, i wanted to get abs so i came for that first. But what came out was that but more the goal to get me off the meds.

Someone before mentioned lexapro. i might look into this.

You're not being clear. Who brought up getting off the meds first? I see you not wanting to be on the meds as you associate them with your weight gain and after you told him this he suggested that with lifestyle changes you may need them less, but that the initial idea was yours.

he brought it up. I mean I came with the reasoning of maybe the pills are doing the weight gain for me. So he said "i want you to lose weight but my main goal is to help you off the pills".

so i said, sounds good. I mean if that means not being on the pills and doing everything naturally, why not right?

It does not sound good. It sounds like the only reasonable answer to him at this point would be "Can you show me your license to act as a psychiatrist right now please ?". It might or might not be possible for you to get off meds. Meds might or might not be working against your weight loss goals. Exercise might or might not help. You might or might not be putting your health at risk by setting yourself as goal to wean off meds. These are issues to discuss with your psychiatrist. Anyone else offering advice on the matter based on personal experience, anecdotal evidence or even reading related research, but without being a trained medical professional, it is irresponsible and can cause a lot of damage to your health. Lose the trainer, he is not doing his job, he is playing god with yoru health.

stealthq

Commander_Keen wrote: »

The real answer is No, but my answer is this..
I believe that carbs should be eating 45 min before and after working out. You need fuel to work out, and I believe you need something to repair your muscles after you work out.

Its hard for me imagine that eating all of your carbs at 9am, that you would have plenty of energy to work out at 9pm. Again just my 2cents. .but I bet everybody will say it doesn't matter what time you eat carbs.

As an N=1, I run best (that is, without reflux or other gastrointestinal issue) if I eat late the night before and run fasted early morning. There's usually about a 7 hr difference. I have yet to have a problem with energy even on long runs where theoretically I should be bonking at any minute.

But I'm not sprinting or lifting heavy, either. I lift later in the day, after lunch. Perhaps I'd feel like I was low on energy if I were doing short term high intensity exercise instead of long term low intensity exercise.

Commander_Keen

Have you done it the reverse? Eat carbs at 7am and run 7 hrs later at 2pm?

skorsk

Drop bodyfat and you will see the abs. Takes time and hard work. Weight is just a number- its BF that tells you something.
And squats can be done with a kettle bell held in front of the body and nothing behind the neck.

johnkaiser257

As a personal trainer myself it's always frustrating when things like this happen because it often ends up giving ALL of us a bad rep! Not taking injuries into account is inexcusable. But as far as the diet goes, if you're still interested in working with a trainer talk with them about their diet "philosophy" on the first day, we all have them! Find someone who you decide is trustworthy and STICK WITH IT! I can't tell you how many times I've had clients lose only a pound or two the first month, as I figure out what works for them and what doesn't, then proceed to burn much more fat in the coming months. All in all, unless you do plan on competing in bodybuilding or fitness competitions you can get a lot of info on here and bodybuilding.com and may not need a trainer. Find what works for you, whether it's on your own or with a trusted trainer and work the plan. Last note: for my last "cut" I only did cardio once a day while doing resistance training an additional five days and came in leaner and fuller than ever. Trainers often have a method to their madness, not defending the guy who jeopardized your neck just trainers in general

Zella_11

Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »

SonyaCele wrote: »

melissa6771 wrote: »

We don't convert fat to muscle.

No, but you most certainly can lose fat and build muscle at the same time.

not really.

Isn't that what happens during a recomp?

I know that isn't the case with the OP, who is eating in a deficit, but if you're eating at maintenance and doing a progressive lifting program, isn't it possible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time?

Or am I wrong about how recomp works?

You are not wrong. You are absolutely right. It is possible to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously.

sijomial

Zella_11 wrote: »

Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »

SonyaCele wrote: »

melissa6771 wrote: »

We don't convert fat to muscle.

No, but you most certainly can lose fat and build muscle at the same time.

not really.

Isn't that what happens during a recomp?

I know that isn't the case with the OP, who is eating in a deficit, but if you're eating at maintenance and doing a progressive lifting program, isn't it possible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time?

Or am I wrong about how recomp works?

You are not wrong. You are absolutely right. It is possible to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously.

+1

To quote Eric Helms.....
"...recomposition is normal. It happens – less so in trained individuals, but much more in untrained, new lifters. "