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Taking a stand against my trainers diet
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You can absolutely make body composition improvements while eating at maintenance provided that you are training intelligently and making progress in the gym.
The claim that you can't is kind of silly in my opinion.
When you eat food, your body doesn't say "hey were in a deficit let's do something different with these nutrients"
It takes the nutrients and partitions them as it needs to.
Anecdotal but I agree with this recent quote from Bret Contreras:
You don't have to be in either a fat loss (cutting) phase or a muscle building (bulking) phase. You can simply eat at a maintenance and gain strength over time utilizing progressive overload. This is sometimes referred to as "recomping," but it's just a logical byproduct of good strength training.
Doing so equates to more muscle, less fat, less overall volume since muscle takes up 20% less space than fat at equal mass, and improved aesthetics, even though scale weight doesn't change.
Many of my clients come to me already looking good. I don't mess with their diets much, assuming their macros are on point. They end up gaining a ton of strength over the upcoming months, and their physiques improve. Many have to buy new clothes since their waist sizes decrease substantially.
Some lucky individuals look incredible whether they're bulked up or dieted down. Personally, I never like the way I look when I bulk up. Ideally, I'd stay lean (for me, around 15% bodyfat) all year round.
Bodybuilders bulk and cut because they get down to single digit (sometimes low single digit) bodyfat percentages, and staying there for too long isn't realistic or ideal for health or building muscle. Naturally lean powerlifters who keep gaining strength often need to move up in weight classes over time too. But this doesn't apply to most of us mortals who don't easily pack on slabs of muscle or get shredded overnight.
Bulking and cutting is great if you enjoy the contrast in lifestyle and look. Obviously most skinny people desire to bulk and most obese people desire to cut. But assuming you're at a healthy bodyweight, it's also perfectly fine to keep your caloric intake fairly consistent and just make minor tweaks over the course of the year and focus on gaining strength at a relatively stable bodyweight.
For people who get depressed or lose self-confidence when they bulk, recomping is a better alternative. I can think of numerous popular fitness models who choose not to bulk and cut and simply look consistently good year round. You have options!
It's possible but generally recognized as a far slower process. When I had my last bulk I progressed leaps and bounds faster than during my current slow cut. And I'm still fairly at the Beginner stages where gaining significantly during deficits should be the most likely still.0 -
Was it your idea or your or your trainer's idea to get off your meds?0
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Char231023 wrote: »Was it your idea or your or your trainer's idea to get off your meds?
not his idea to get off but work towards getting off the meds. As in the work we are putting in would work me off the meds.
when i contacted him, i wanted to get abs so i came for that first. But what came out was that but more the goal to get me off the meds.
Someone before mentioned lexapro. i might look into this.0 -
raven56706 wrote: »you can take a look at my diary and see if im doing well. i mean i started on my own yesterday and want to make sure im on the right track.
Also to clear some things up because i didnt provide enough info. So he wanted me to take supplements to help out. Probiotics, vitamins and etc. He believes that the organs in my stomach arent working up to par and maybe thats whats causing the anxiety. I was like ummm ok sounds good. I didnt care because it would have been a win win for me. He wanted for me to get better without the medicine so i can slowly come off of it. He didnt want me to go cold turkey. He just didnt want me to rely on it.
Also it was a 5 meal plan and since i workout in the early morning he had me drinking a bcaa drink during my workout. Mind you he said that was a meal but it was 30g of amino acids and several people didnt call it a meal. I dont know.
hopefully this info helps you out to make a judgement.
Yeah, the judgement doesn't change, the guy's a quack. If your organs "in your stomach" weren't "working up to par" you would KNOW. Supplements aren't going to do jack squat for that. And the "organs in your stomach" do not cause anxiety, that's a new one!0 -
anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, you don't have to have any kind of specific training; the trainer sounds like someone who has a little information but not enough to say he is knowledgeable.
YES eat carbs!!! Carbs are what our body uses for energy, not just for exercise but for living. It is when we overeat our calories that our bodies start storing the extra in the fat cells, eat a good assortment of foods, stay within your calorie limit and you will do well0 -
I hate these forums. So much sarcasm and disrespect, regardless of your level of correctness.
I'm still waiting to hear what's wrong with carrots?!?0 -
Call you Dr. office and see what other options there are. I am sure they can call you in a new script today and tell you how to taper off the other medicine properly.0
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I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....0
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20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.0 -
Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
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20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.0 -
20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
sent you a friend request. take a look and let me know if you can help0 -
20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
Help me understand your take on the scope of practice and how working towards the possibility of not needing meds is irresponsible. Granted, we don't know exactly what was said. If he said, "yes this will get you off the meds" that's one thing. However, working towards achieving a healthier goal that could possibly lead to getting off the meds is another - http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/Fulltext/2012/01000/The_Legal_Aspects__Scope_of_Practice.10.aspx0 -
callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »melissa6771 wrote: »We don't convert fat to muscle.
No, but you most certainly can lose fat and build muscle at the same time.
not really. maybe in newbie gains, but not long term.
they require totally different caloric intakes. to build muscle, you have to be in a surplus. To lose weight, you have to be in a deficit. This is why weight lifters go through ' bulk and cut' cycles.
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20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
Help me understand your take on the scope of practice and how working towards the possibility of not needing meds is irresponsible. Granted, we don't know exactly what was said. If he said, "yes this will get you off the meds" that's one thing. However, working towards achieving a healthier goal that could possibly lead to getting off the meds is another - http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/Fulltext/2012/01000/The_Legal_Aspects__Scope_of_Practice.10.aspx
From your own document:
"However, any HFS who strays from this job description and overreaches his or her documented competencies, by intruding into the field of a licensed health care professional, is in violation of criminal law0 -
20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
Help me understand your take on the scope of practice and how working towards the possibility of not needing meds is irresponsible. Granted, we don't know exactly what was said. If he said, "yes this will get you off the meds" that's one thing. However, working towards achieving a healthier goal that could possibly lead to getting off the meds is another - http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/Fulltext/2012/01000/The_Legal_Aspects__Scope_of_Practice.10.aspx
For one thing, the trainer is not a doctor. And who is the trainer to judge whether coming off the meds is "healthier" for the OP in this case? That should 100% be something that is worked out between OP and his doctor. His trainer needs to stick to what he know best, which doesn't seem to be much from what I've read in this thread, but it's certainly NOT medicine or anything related to medicine.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
Help me understand your take on the scope of practice and how working towards the possibility of not needing meds is irresponsible. Granted, we don't know exactly what was said. If he said, "yes this will get you off the meds" that's one thing. However, working towards achieving a healthier goal that could possibly lead to getting off the meds is another - http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/Fulltext/2012/01000/The_Legal_Aspects__Scope_of_Practice.10.aspx
For one thing, the trainer is not a doctor. And who is the trainer to judge whether coming off the meds is "healthier" for the OP in this case? That should 100% be something that is worked out between OP and his doctor. His trainer needs to stick to what he know best, which doesn't seem to be much from what I've read in this thread, but it's certainly NOT medicine or anything related to medicine.
100% correct ^0 -
20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.20yearsyounger wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »I really don't see anything wrong with making a goal to get off meds. That's a good goal to have. It sure was mine. The trainer isn't telling him to stop. The doctor will advise if he is good enough to stop. All the other stuff though.....
There is also nothing wrong with staying on meds. Anxiety is sucks and if I wouldn't have my medication I would be a wreck. So if he truly feels he can live without his meds great but only if he comes to that conclusion with his Dr. help.
All I am saying is that there is no need for calling the trainer irresponsible for setting a goal of possibly getting off meds if it can be achieved. Yes, some people will always need meds but not everyone. There is a whole movement in the health community right now to help reduce a need for medication -
http://exerciseismedicine.org/
http://www.exerciseismedicine.org/assets/page_documents/EIM Rx series_Exercising with Anxiety and Depression.pdf
It's 100% outside the scope of practice of a personal trainer to push someone towards this goal.
By definition it is absolutely irresponsible.
Help me understand your take on the scope of practice and how working towards the possibility of not needing meds is irresponsible. Granted, we don't know exactly what was said. If he said, "yes this will get you off the meds" that's one thing. However, working towards achieving a healthier goal that could possibly lead to getting off the meds is another - http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/Fulltext/2012/01000/The_Legal_Aspects__Scope_of_Practice.10.aspx
From your own document:
"However, any HFS who strays from this job description and overreaches his or her documented competencies, by intruding into the field of a licensed health care professional, is in violation of criminal law
I understand the overreaching part. However, if the trainer was focused on
- Constructing appropriate exercise prescriptions for healthy adults and individuals with controlled conditions released for independent physical activity.
-Motivating apparently healthy individuals with medically controlled diseases to adopt and maintain healthy lifestyle behaviors.
and maybe as a by product it reduces the need for drugs, then that's a possibility. If the trainer blatantly said - yes I guarantee you can stop those drugs, that's another thing.0 -
The trainer shouldn't be setting a goal of getting off anxiety meds, period.
That's absolutely outside scope of practice and potentially dangerous.0 -
The trainer shouldn't be setting a goal of getting off anxiety meds, period.
That's absolutely outside scope of practice and potentially dangerous.
I get your point. The goal should really be on the activities versus specifically identifying that as an end goal. If it happens, it happens.0
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