Alternating Cardio and Strength Training
Replies
-
melissa6771 wrote: »@SezxyStef
Quite the assumption that because it's in a book it's complicated. Do you know the program? Have you done it? Do you know that it's not good for a beginner? Because it is just that. It's extremely simple and easy to follow, I know this for a fact because I have followed it, and know many who have. I'm sure he could just look it up online, like I said, a lot of it is online at bodybuilding.com under back to fit, also at BFL.com, but the original book, before everything was online, is very inspirational. It can't hurt to read it on paper and online. Books are not evil.
I have the book (the original) at home (along with tonnes of other books that I have read)and after lifting for 3 years thought I would go through it and see (it was my husbands) and no way would I take that on.
different strokes for different folks.
But the OP wants 30mins of lifting...the routine(s) in that book are not 30mins.
So yes I am speaking from experience, not "assumptions" like you did.
0 -
I just looked up the program template and I don't like it for a beginner either. Actually I wouldn't like it for myself at any point.
Personally if I try to do upper/lowers I am at the gym for ever on the upper days. It's just too much for a beginner to try to grasp all those muscle groups and movements in one session.
Plus not a fan of the way they vary the weight.
3x12, 5x5. One weight. Increase when you complete all reps. Easy.0 -
tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »Is a cut always used after a bulk? Because I have seen many times recommended on bodybuilding forums that people who are low on muscle with 15% body fat or higher and are new to lifting, they sometimes recommend you cut down to a lean level. When they say "cut" though, that means they are lifting while they are in a deficit right?
It doesn't have to be used after a bulk you could start with a cut then bulk or cut then go to maintenance, but the term cut comes from a cut and bulk cycle.
Yes during a cut you have a deficit and lift heavy but I would say what a cut means is "maintaining muscle while losing fat" (how you do that is heavy lifting on a SMALL deficit and it's a slow process). Also body building sites are great but take them with a grain of salt, there is also a lot of mis-information.
I mean think about your end goal, lose fat gain muscle. A recomp does exactly that. Recomps are most effective on new lifters which you are. So why not take advantage? Find a structured premade lifting program that utilizes compound lifts, and eat 100-200 calories under maitainence.
The reason why body builders do cut and bulk cycles instead of recomps is because their muscles have already been exposed to large amounts of lifting so a recomp isn't possible. So you can do cut and bulk instead of a recomp but you need to realize it is a slow process.
Also you may have a little bit of fat but I think you're already pretty damn lean.... at 5'8" and only 154 pounds I can't imagine you have much fat.
You know, I have been thinking about my goal and really I don't know even know if I want to build muscle right now. I just want to get rid of the excess fat I have now (even if it seems I don't have extra fat based on my stats). Your right, I don't have much fat left, but I really just want to get rid of it right now. So I want to put muscle building on a hold for now and focus on fat loss.
So yeah, I want to simplify my goal now and focus on fat loss. Do you think cutting is the best method for me now?0 -
@SezxyStef
It is one of the simplest programs. I've been lifting for the better part of 18 years, and those are the most basic moves for each body part. Those lifting routines take about 30-35 min for lower and 45 for upper. You can use the same weight for all three sets. I don't see how anyone could be intimidated by the basics, especially after being at it for 3 years, but you're right, to each their own. Also, in your first quote to me, you said "if it's in a book, it's complicated" that does not seem that you've ever actually done the routine.
It seems OP isn't sure what he's looking for. That's something that needs to be decided first, then he needs to pick a program that HE feels comfortable with, doesn't matter what any of us think.TresaAswegan wrote: »I just looked up the program template and I don't like it for a beginner either. Actually I wouldn't like it for myself at any point.
Personally if I try to do upper/lowers I am at the gym for ever on the upper days. It's just too much for a beginner to try to grasp all those muscle groups and movements in one session.
Plus not a fan of the way they vary the weight.
3x12, 5x5. One weight. Increase when you complete all reps. Easy.
Don't not like things until you try them. It's a very proven and effective routine, by a person that's been in the industry for many years and still is, that millions have done very well with.
0 -
anthony150paolucci wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »Is a cut always used after a bulk? Because I have seen many times recommended on bodybuilding forums that people who are low on muscle with 15% body fat or higher and are new to lifting, they sometimes recommend you cut down to a lean level. When they say "cut" though, that means they are lifting while they are in a deficit right?
It doesn't have to be used after a bulk you could start with a cut then bulk or cut then go to maintenance, but the term cut comes from a cut and bulk cycle.
Yes during a cut you have a deficit and lift heavy but I would say what a cut means is "maintaining muscle while losing fat" (how you do that is heavy lifting on a SMALL deficit and it's a slow process). Also body building sites are great but take them with a grain of salt, there is also a lot of mis-information.
I mean think about your end goal, lose fat gain muscle. A recomp does exactly that. Recomps are most effective on new lifters which you are. So why not take advantage? Find a structured premade lifting program that utilizes compound lifts, and eat 100-200 calories under maitainence.
The reason why body builders do cut and bulk cycles instead of recomps is because their muscles have already been exposed to large amounts of lifting so a recomp isn't possible. So you can do cut and bulk instead of a recomp but you need to realize it is a slow process.
Also you may have a little bit of fat but I think you're already pretty damn lean.... at 5'8" and only 154 pounds I can't imagine you have much fat.
You know, I have been thinking about my goal and really I don't know even know if I want to build muscle right now. I just want to get rid of the excess fat I have now (even if it seems I don't have extra fat based on my stats). Your right, I don't have much fat left, but I really just want to get rid of it right now. So I want to put muscle building on a hold for now and focus on fat loss.
So yeah, I want to simplify my goal now and focus on fat loss. Do you think cutting is the best method for me now?
Okay that's good to establish because if you did want to build muscle you would do a recomp.
Yes I thinking "cutting" would still serve you well. But keep in mind a cut is a slow process. At your weight I would only try to lose .5 pounds or at most 1 pound per week and still try to preserve muscle. That way you're not just skin and bones.
Also, make sure you're maintaining a healthy weight, to me it seems like at such a low weight and wanting to lose more could be a red flag, but I don't know you, I'm just saying stay healthy.
And I'm not sure what look your going for but looking toned also involves building up some muscle. If you don't maintain muscle you'll only look skinny and even if you maintain muscle you still might not look "toned".0 -
tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »Is a cut always used after a bulk? Because I have seen many times recommended on bodybuilding forums that people who are low on muscle with 15% body fat or higher and are new to lifting, they sometimes recommend you cut down to a lean level. When they say "cut" though, that means they are lifting while they are in a deficit right?
It doesn't have to be used after a bulk you could start with a cut then bulk or cut then go to maintenance, but the term cut comes from a cut and bulk cycle.
Yes during a cut you have a deficit and lift heavy but I would say what a cut means is "maintaining muscle while losing fat" (how you do that is heavy lifting on a SMALL deficit and it's a slow process). Also body building sites are great but take them with a grain of salt, there is also a lot of mis-information.
I mean think about your end goal, lose fat gain muscle. A recomp does exactly that. Recomps are most effective on new lifters which you are. So why not take advantage? Find a structured premade lifting program that utilizes compound lifts, and eat 100-200 calories under maitainence.
The reason why body builders do cut and bulk cycles instead of recomps is because their muscles have already been exposed to large amounts of lifting so a recomp isn't possible. So you can do cut and bulk instead of a recomp but you need to realize it is a slow process.
Also you may have a little bit of fat but I think you're already pretty damn lean.... at 5'8" and only 154 pounds I can't imagine you have much fat.
You know, I have been thinking about my goal and really I don't know even know if I want to build muscle right now. I just want to get rid of the excess fat I have now (even if it seems I don't have extra fat based on my stats). Your right, I don't have much fat left, but I really just want to get rid of it right now. So I want to put muscle building on a hold for now and focus on fat loss.
So yeah, I want to simplify my goal now and focus on fat loss. Do you think cutting is the best method for me now?
Okay that's good to establish because if you did want to build muscle you would do a recomp.
Yes I thinking "cutting" would still serve you well. But keep in mind a cut is a slow process. At your weight I would only try to lose .5 pounds or at most 1 pound per week and still try to preserve muscle. That way you're not just skin and bones.
Also, make sure you're maintaining a healthy weight, to me it seems like at such a low weight and wanting to lose more could be a red flag, but I don't know you, I'm just saying stay healthy.
And I'm not sure what look your going for but looking toned also involves building up some muscle. If you don't maintain muscle you'll only look skinny and even if you maintain muscle you still might not look "toned".
I'm glad I'm finally able to come to a conclusion as of what I really want. Maybe building muscle in the future sounds good, but you have to look at the present first and right now, right here, I want to lose fat. Which is what I plan to do.
Yeah, don't worry. I won't get to the point where I am underweight. My body will let me know when I'm losing too much I'm sure.
As far as the look I'm going for, I am still going to make sure I do strength training 3x a week and eat enough protein so I don't lose too much muscle. If I end up looking skinny then for sure I will look to get toned afterwards.0 -
melissa6771 wrote: »
@SezxyStef
It is one of the simplest programs. I've been lifting for the better part of 18 years, and those are the most basic moves for each body part. Those lifting routines take about 30-35 min for lower and 45 for upper. You can use the same weight for all three sets. I don't see how anyone could be intimidated by the basics, especially after being at it for 3 years, but you're right, to each their own. Also, in your first quote to me, you said "if it's in a book, it's complicated" that does not seem that you've ever actually done the routine.
It seems OP isn't sure what he's looking for. That's something that needs to be decided first, then he needs to pick a program that HE feels comfortable with, doesn't matter what any of us think.TresaAswegan wrote: »I just looked up the program template and I don't like it for a beginner either. Actually I wouldn't like it for myself at any point.
Personally if I try to do upper/lowers I am at the gym for ever on the upper days. It's just too much for a beginner to try to grasp all those muscle groups and movements in one session.
Plus not a fan of the way they vary the weight.
3x12, 5x5. One weight. Increase when you complete all reps. Easy.
Don't not like things until you try them. It's a very proven and effective routine, by a person that's been in the industry for many years and still is, that millions have done very well with.
I checked some comments and posts on Google, so this could be off, but it appears he wants people to cut out white rice, full fat dairy, and any simple carbs. It hits me as a bro diet and a bodybuilding program. The diet seems unnecessarily strict but the program is fine. On the other hand, 5x5s are beginning strength programs so people could argue this all day. Different goals here.0 -
All this just to realize he only cares about obtaining an ultra low body fat.... I guess we are done here.0
-
TresaAswegan wrote: »All this just to realize he only cares about obtaining an ultra low body fat.... I guess we are done here.
Yeah, I guess I should have thought more clearly about my goal in the first post. At least I have finally come to a conclusion.0 -
anthony150paolucci wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »All this just to realize he only cares about obtaining an ultra low body fat.... I guess we are done here.
Yeah, I guess I should have thought more clearly about my goal in the first post. At least I have finally come to a conclusion.
You gotta do what works for you0 -
Not everyone wants muscles. It's cool.0
-
anthony150paolucci wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »anthony150paolucci wrote: »Is a cut always used after a bulk? Because I have seen many times recommended on bodybuilding forums that people who are low on muscle with 15% body fat or higher and are new to lifting, they sometimes recommend you cut down to a lean level. When they say "cut" though, that means they are lifting while they are in a deficit right?
It doesn't have to be used after a bulk you could start with a cut then bulk or cut then go to maintenance, but the term cut comes from a cut and bulk cycle.
Yes during a cut you have a deficit and lift heavy but I would say what a cut means is "maintaining muscle while losing fat" (how you do that is heavy lifting on a SMALL deficit and it's a slow process). Also body building sites are great but take them with a grain of salt, there is also a lot of mis-information.
I mean think about your end goal, lose fat gain muscle. A recomp does exactly that. Recomps are most effective on new lifters which you are. So why not take advantage? Find a structured premade lifting program that utilizes compound lifts, and eat 100-200 calories under maitainence.
The reason why body builders do cut and bulk cycles instead of recomps is because their muscles have already been exposed to large amounts of lifting so a recomp isn't possible. So you can do cut and bulk instead of a recomp but you need to realize it is a slow process.
Also you may have a little bit of fat but I think you're already pretty damn lean.... at 5'8" and only 154 pounds I can't imagine you have much fat.
You know, I have been thinking about my goal and really I don't know even know if I want to build muscle right now. I just want to get rid of the excess fat I have now (even if it seems I don't have extra fat based on my stats). Your right, I don't have much fat left, but I really just want to get rid of it right now. So I want to put muscle building on a hold for now and focus on fat loss.
So yeah, I want to simplify my goal now and focus on fat loss. Do you think cutting is the best method for me now?
Okay that's good to establish because if you did want to build muscle you would do a recomp.
Yes I thinking "cutting" would still serve you well. But keep in mind a cut is a slow process. At your weight I would only try to lose .5 pounds or at most 1 pound per week and still try to preserve muscle. That way you're not just skin and bones.
Also, make sure you're maintaining a healthy weight, to me it seems like at such a low weight and wanting to lose more could be a red flag, but I don't know you, I'm just saying stay healthy.
And I'm not sure what look your going for but looking toned also involves building up some muscle. If you don't maintain muscle you'll only look skinny and even if you maintain muscle you still might not look "toned".
I'm glad I'm finally able to come to a conclusion as of what I really want. Maybe building muscle in the future sounds good, but you have to look at the present first and right now, right here, I want to lose fat. Which is what I plan to do.
Yeah, don't worry. I won't get to the point where I am underweight. My body will let me know when I'm losing too much I'm sure.
As far as the look I'm going for, I am still going to make sure I do strength training 3x a week and eat enough protein so I don't lose too much muscle. If I end up looking skinny then for sure I will look to get toned afterwards.
Make sure you find a good program that works for you and don't neglect any muscle groups. Goodluck0
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 394.1K Introduce Yourself
- 43.9K Getting Started
- 260.4K Health and Weight Loss
- 176.1K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.6K Fitness and Exercise
- 436 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.6K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153.1K Motivation and Support
- 8.1K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.4K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.9K MyFitnessPal Information
- 15 News and Announcements
- 1.2K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.7K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions