Protein, fat, carbs
Jozzmenia
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How do I make the percentages correct? Right now mfp has me at 1550 calories. I have that adjusted to 30percent carbs, 20 percent fat and 50 percent protein trying to get close to my weight in protein per a nutritionist's advice. And I was fighting fatty liver last year and managed to get it under control with diet and exercise, plus my body fat percentage is high, so I'm wary of fat. What should the percentages be, or is that accurate?
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The fat percent seems accurate. Just eat healthy fats as opposed to the unhealthy fats and it shouldn't be an issue.0
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To me protein is high, I dont think you need a gram of protein per pound of body weight, a gram per pound of lean is the highest I think anyone would need, but if you want to stick to your nutritionist it won't hurt.
Also you have a bit of a misconception, fats don't cause fat to be stored on your body, eating a calorie surplus does.
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Your macros seem alright to me! You're on the higher end of protein, but that's not a bad thing...so am I. If your fat % is higher than you'd like, change the foods you're eating and eat leaner meats.0
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If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!5 -
aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.2 -
I think you're asking how to reset your MFP macros, right? You have to buy the premium, I believe.0
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I have NAFLD and per the recommendation of my doctor I am following a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. My macros are 60 fat / 30 protein / 10 carbs. That is what works for me. The fat helps me stay fuller longer and I generally only eat two big meals a day.1
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I think you're asking how to reset your MFP macros, right? You have to buy the premium, I believe.
Not true, you can reset your macros in the free version, but only in I believe 5% increments, the premium allows you to do it in 1% increments.1 -
Premium allows you to do it by grams, but anyone can set their macros (OP already has, as those aren't the default macros).
Good rule of thumb for protein is .65-.85 g per lb of healthy (or goal) body weight. 50% is almost certainly much more than you need. But if you like eating that much and feel good doing it, no harm. Carbs and fat are fine, both could be higher if you wanted to experiment and cut protein some. Like the other poster said, what matters for weight loss is a calorie deficit, the rest is about nutrition (and choice of fats and carbs matter more for that than how much of both you eat) and satiety.5 -
I personally also follow hflc lifestyle while keeping my carb intake pre and post workout. I'd personally just up the fat and drop the protein a bit.0
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tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.0 -
michelle172415 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I think you're asking how to reset your MFP macros, right? You have to buy the premium, I believe.
Not true, you can reset your macros in the free version, but only in I believe 5% increments, the premium allows you to do it in 1% increments.
I do have premium but I wasn't sure what my percentages should be. Sounds like they are good now?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
@Jozzmenia you may want to google this subject for more details because this info is medically factual you will find. At one point I too feared fats as you do currently. Our macros do make a difference in lowering our Insulin levels which is a requirement to lose weight especially the last 20 pounds.
Fats cause very little increase in the hormone Insulin levels, protein leads to some increase in Insulin levels with carbs spiking Insulin levels the most and reducing weight loss the most.
There is no one magic macro that fits everyone.
Grab one that sounds interesting and try it for 90 days and see what the scales have to say about it as well how you feel with your new Way Of Eating.
First learning how to not gain weight is actually more important down the road. Anyone can lose weight by cutting calories but very few seem to be able to learn how to keep it off after losing it.
Best of success.
popsugar.com/fitness/Macronutrients-Weight-Loss-373130382 -
aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?1 -
tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I understand all of that.
What my point was is that @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. Which isn't true, you don't HAVE to be low carb to lose weight and carbs won't hurt your long term health.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I don't understand why this would make low carb the right choice for OP (who was asking if her own macros were okay and how to set them) or why it's relevant to OP at all.
The posts here demonstrate why I often interpret the biggest keto fanatics in these parts to be preaching and trying to push their way on others as the only way to go, which IMO should not be done.
(On the other hand, of course keto is a fine choice for those who prefer eating that way. It's just not superior to how others eat or necessary for the rest of us to be healthy.)4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't understand why this would make low carb the right choice for OP (who was asking if her own macros were okay and how to set them) or why it's relevant to OP at all.
The posts here demonstrate why I often interpret the biggest keto fanatics in these parts to be preaching and trying to push their way on others as the only way to go, which IMO is wrong.
I agree and that's the point I was trying to get across. My first comment just told OP I thought protein could be lowered and told her she shouldn't worry about fat because eating fats doesn't cause fat storage. There is no reason why OP HAS to go low carb it isn't necessary. It's not bad, but not necessary.
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tillerstouch wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't understand why this would make low carb the right choice for OP (who was asking if her own macros were okay and how to set them) or why it's relevant to OP at all.
The posts here demonstrate why I often interpret the biggest keto fanatics in these parts to be preaching and trying to push their way on others as the only way to go, which IMO is wrong.
I agree and that's the point I was trying to get across. My first comment just told OP I thought protein could be lowered and told her she shouldn't worry about fat because eating fats doesn't cause fat storage. There is no reason why OP HAS to go low carb it isn't necessary. It's not bad, but not necessary.
I understand one can argue that higher carb diets are fine for very active people, but the OP has high body fat percentage and struggled with fatty liver disease. What she may not realize is that her fear of fat could be contributing to her health problems. When someone mentions cutting fat to lose weight and stay healthy, I've got to correct that misconception. Low carb high fat diets are incredibly healthy... and 20% of calories from fat is really low even for your standard diet.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't understand why this would make low carb the right choice for OP (who was asking if her own macros were okay and how to set them) or why it's relevant to OP at all.
The posts here demonstrate why I often interpret the biggest keto fanatics in these parts to be preaching and trying to push their way on others as the only way to go, which IMO is wrong.
I agree and that's the point I was trying to get across. My first comment just told OP I thought protein could be lowered and told her she shouldn't worry about fat because eating fats doesn't cause fat storage. There is no reason why OP HAS to go low carb it isn't necessary. It's not bad, but not necessary.
I understand one can argue that higher carb diets are fine for very active people, but the OP has high body fat percentage and struggled with fatty liver disease. What she may not realize is that her fear of fat could be contributing to her health problems. When someone mentions cutting fat to lose weight and stay healthy, I've got to correct that misconception. Low carb high fat diets are incredibly healthy... and 20% of calories from fat is really low even for your standard diet.
Then just explain how fats are healthy for you, that corrects the misconception. You're just pushing OP to a low carb diet. And when you say something like "low carb is the only way to life long health" all you're doing is shifting OPs fear of fats to a fear of carbs. Carbs are fine to include in your diet, even for people who aren't "very active." And low carb is NOT the only way to life long health.5 -
tillerstouch wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I understand all of that.
What my point was is that @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. Which isn't true, you don't HAVE to be low carb to lose weight and carbs won't hurt your long term health.
@tillerstouch can you link to where @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. I did not find the word "ONLY" in the post you linked to above.
For a person with a fatty liver the only way I have read to prevent a premature death is to reduce carbs that caused the fatty liver in the first place.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I understand all of that.
What my point was is that @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. Which isn't true, you don't HAVE to be low carb to lose weight and carbs won't hurt your long term health.
@tillerstouch can you link to where @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. I did not find the word "ONLY" in the post you linked to above.
For a person with a fatty liver the only way I have read to prevent a premature death is to reduce carbs that caused the fatty liver in the first place.
When you make someone's statement extreme, it is easier to attack. Typical straw man fallacy.0 -
So now DietDoctor and Popsugar are good sources for medical info? Awesome.
OP, if you have a medical condition, I would advise not taking suggestions from the community. A nutritionist is basically a meaningless title that anyone can use, so see if you can get referred to a Registered Dietitian to discuss if there is a specific macro distribution you should be aiming for.
Macros don't directly affect weight loss or gain, but can affect satiety and play a role in medical conditions and fitness goals.
And as others have said, fat in and of itself doesn't make you fat. Excess calories of any kind make you fat.
Best of luck2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I understand all of that.
What my point was is that @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. Which isn't true, you don't HAVE to be low carb to lose weight and carbs won't hurt your long term health.
For a person with a fatty liver the only way I have read to prevent a premature death is to reduce carbs that caused the fatty liver in the first place.
With all due respect, "what you have read" is not the standard someone with a medical condition should be going by. If you want to advise everyone who is trying to lose weight to eat the way you do, go for it. Telling someone who has a medical condition that you have figured out how she can stay healthy is another.1 -
So now DietDoctor and Popsugar are good sources for medical info? Awesome.
OP, if you have a medical condition, I would advise not taking suggestions from the community. A nutritionist is basically a meaningless title that anyone can use, so see if you can get referred to a Registered Dietitian to discuss if there is a specific macro distribution you should be aiming for.
Macros don't directly affect weight loss or gain, but can affect satiety and play a role in medical conditions and fitness goals.
And as others have said, fat in and of itself doesn't make you fat. Excess calories of any kind make you fat.
Best of luck
Totally, agreed, do not take suggestions from the community. Most of it is total garbage. However, like I said, do you own research.
And dietdoctor.com is an exceptional resource. It is ad free, unbiased, with no industry sponsorship.0 -
OP, if you have a medical condition, I would advise not taking suggestions from the community. A nutritionist is basically a meaningless title that anyone can use, so see if you can get referred to a Registered Dietitian to discuss if there is a specific macro distribution you should be aiming for.
This is an excellent idea.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »tillerstouch wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Wow please don't listen to this. Low carb is one route that works for people but is in no way the only way to go for life long health. Calorie deficit is literally the only thing that matters to lose weight, except for some special circumstances.
Edit: don't listen to the you have to eat low carb, healthy fats I agree are very good for you but you can encorporate more then enough of these and still eat carbs.
So not surprised by this comment. If you are concerned about fatty liver and losing body fat, cutting down on dietary fat is the last thing you want to do. Check out dietdoctor.com for some excellent resources.
I agree about not cutting down on fat. But why are you saying the only way is to go low carb?
@tillerstouch "low carb" can mean 20, 50 or up to 150 grams of carbs daily. To go Low Carb and be in a state of Nutritional Ketosis (running muscles, heart and brain more on ketones than glucose) one typically must eat <50 grams of carbs daily. Protein can not be HIGH (70-90 grams daily in my case) since about 1/2 of protein is converted by the body into glucose (brain and red blood cells both require glucose). We do not require carbs to make all of the glucose required for full health as long as we eat some protein and enough fats. Well we have to have a source of vitamins and minerals. In nature carbs can be a good source of vitamins and minerals but not so much in processed carbs. While carbs are not 'required' I for one still eat carbs within the 50 gram limit to live in a state of Nutritional Ketosis. I do not do this to lose weight but to managing my pain and reduce my risk of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc. Weight loss can be a side effect if calories are low enough. I maintain at 200 pounds on 2500+ calories daily average. With a macro of 5% carbs, 15% protein I have to go high fat to get in my 2500 calories per day. I can ONLY stay in Nutritional Ketosis Way Of Eating by going high fat.
Does that help you understand the ONLY WAY statement?
I understand all of that.
What my point was is that @aqsylvester said low carb is the only way to go for life long health. Which isn't true, you don't HAVE to be low carb to lose weight and carbs won't hurt your long term health.
For a person with a fatty liver the only way I have read to prevent a premature death is to reduce carbs that caused the fatty liver in the first place.
With all due respect, "what you have read" is not the standard someone with a medical condition should be going by. If you want to advise everyone who is trying to lose weight to eat the way you do, go for it. Telling someone who has a medical condition that you have figured out how she can stay healthy is another.
@kimny72 no one should give or act on any type of advice from any social media source. There is varied resources of info from people holding terminal degrees in health and science that one can read and research with the aid of Google or another search engine.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Actually calorie-for-calorie in a controlled environment, low fat is better than low carb at weight loss.
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(15)00350-2
I say that not because I am pro-low-fat. But because there's a lot of info out there that disproves the pro-low-carb. Which is to say, you have to experiment and do what works well for you. If a person has a medical issue, they should be speaking with their doctor. OP stated her concern was setting and reaching her protein goals. And suddenly a bunch of low-carb evangelists are speculating on medical conditions they don't know she has and preaching their vision of the macro afterlife.7 -
blues4miles wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Actually calorie-for-calorie in a controlled environment, low fat is better than low carb at weight loss.
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(15)00350-2
I say that not because I am pro-low-fat. But because there's a lot of info out there that disproves the pro-low-carb. Which is to say, you have to experiment and do what works well for you. If a person has a medical issue, they should be speaking with their doctor. OP stated her concern was setting and reaching her protein goals. And suddenly a bunch of low-carb evangelists are speculating on medical conditions they don't know she has and preaching their vision of the macro afterlife.
hmmm...
an experiment with no control group on 19 obese individuals followed for a total of two 2-week periods
vs.
a randomized controlled trial with 150 racially diverse men and women followed for 1 year
Do you understand much about evidence hierarchy?
And again with the strawman, please stop.0 -
blues4miles wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »If you're concerned about high body fat percentage, you should be concerned about your carbohydrate intake, not fat.
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html?_r=0
Many people will say only calorie restriction matters. This is overly simplistic. Do the research yourself. The low carb real food is the way to go for life-long health!
Actually calorie-for-calorie in a controlled environment, low fat is better than low carb at weight loss.
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(15)00350-2
I say that not because I am pro-low-fat. But because there's a lot of info out there that disproves the pro-low-carb. Which is to say, you have to experiment and do what works well for you. If a person has a medical issue, they should be speaking with their doctor. OP stated her concern was setting and reaching her protein goals. And suddenly a bunch of low-carb evangelists are speculating on medical conditions they don't know she has and preaching their vision of the macro afterlife.
@blues4miles
I just carefully read the actual study. Let's clarify the blatant misinformation presented here. Important points are as follows:
1. The Restricted carbohydrate (RC) and Restricted fat (RF) diets both led to weight loss, but significantly more weight was lost following the RC diet.
2. Fat mass change as measured by DXA revealed significant changes from baseline, but did not detect a significant difference between RF and RC diets.
3. This study lasted 2 weeks. There were 10 men and 9 women in the study.
4. Carbohydrate restriction was only to an average of 140 grams/day. LOL, that's nowhere near low carb in my world, where the goal is fat metabolism.
5. They calculated daily fat balance as the difference between fat intake and net fat oxidation (i.e., fat oxidation minus de novo lipogenesis) measured by indirect calorimetry while residing in a metabolic chamber.
So in summary, the only conclusion this study supported was that if you eat a low fat calorie restricted diet, you burn more fat than you consume! We already knew that!!! This study does NOT support the hypothesis that a low fat diet results in greater total fat burning than a high fat/low carbohydrate diet.
If you look at the hard data, the only statistically significant differences they found were - increased fat oxidation and increased weight loss in the high fat/low carb diet.
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