why callories control, not fat?
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Thanks and this is very clear explanation to me. Can you advise me more to the point. So do you mean I am liberty to eat barbeque, beef satay, chocolate, and the like as long as total daily calorries under target?
There are many, many people on here who lost weight by eating the foods they love as long as they stuck to their calorie goal. Many of us restrict nothing, we either make room in our calorie budget, or eat smaller portions. You can still eat the things that you love, isn't that awesome? I for example, lost well over 100 pounds and have kept it off for a few years now, and did not go low fat at all.
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That's great. So burning calorries by much moving and exercise is the beautiful life I think now.3
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Thanks and this is very clear explanation to me. Can you advise me more to the point. So do you mean I am liberty to eat barbeque, beef satay, chocolate, and the like as long as total daily calorries under target?
Yes you can eat all of these things in reasonable amounts as long as you don't go over your daily calories by much. Keep in mind that if you eat a lot of them you may feel hungry because you won't have calories left for other foods, so just try to have a nice balance of lower calorie foods and higher calorie foods. For example: 3-4 sticks of beef satay (depending on how large they are) with grilled vegetables and/or a large salad and a reasonably sized piece of bread or rice or whatever you like to eat them with, followed by a piece of chocolate. Preferably weigh all food items on a food scale before eating them to record them accurately in this app.
I have lost 37 kg so far eating high fat, low fat, high sugar, low sugar, bread, chocolate, ice cream, all of that. I just make sure not to eat too much of them to where they make me go above my calories or leave very few calories for other foods.3 -
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It drives you crazy when people demonize one macronutrient while you demonize a different one?joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient.
30 years ago, carbs were king and fat was terrible. That wasn't any more right or wrong than the reverse thinking that's widely disseminated now.
I blame Susan Powter for my decades-long fear of fat.
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That's great. So burning calorries by much moving and exercise is the beautiful life I think now.
People really want there to be some weird reason they haven't lost weight in the past. There really aren't fancy tricks to losing weight, just eat less than you burn.
The nice thing about no fancy tricks is that there isn't anything special you NEED to do. Find out what works for you as long as you eat less calories than you burn. Don't get caught up in all the bells and whistles if you don't want to, they aren't necessary.
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kshama2001 wrote: »
It drives you crazy when people demonize one macronutrient while you demonize a different one?joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient.
30 years ago, carbs were king and fat was terrible. That wasn't any more right or wrong than the reverse thinking that's widely disseminated now.
I blame Susan Powter for my decades-long fear of fat.
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Control consumption limit and enjoy favourite works out are the key, arent they?3
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I look at everything including fat, but one needs fat for absorption of fat soluble vitamins and brain health. I think it's better to be sort of balanced. Having said that, my 2 most successful weight loss times were at age 11 (yes) on Atkins and at age 30 on very low fat. Both times I got really thin.0
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I think workouts very important to burn over quantity of nutrients in our body. I see the formulas of this apk also include excersize. What do you think?0
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Fat is good, as long as it's not the bad kind of fat. I eat a lot of fat in my diet, but they are healthy fats, avocado,
Fish, nuts, seeds, olive oil. I can tell you that I'm rarely hungry because of that. If you're eating tonnes of processed foods, lots of saturated fats and in particular trans fats, then whilst yes you may lose weight over all, but your body won't be happy. There is a term called TOFI which means thin outside, fat inside, and refers to the internal fat you're holding in particular around your heart and liver.
I won't ever say to people don't enjoy the foods you love (in moderation of
Course!) but fat is not the enemy, there are just a few types of fat you'll really want to avoid...... Anything that says partially hydrogenated on the label, do not eat in excess.
In my personal opinion, sugar, in particular fructose (not in fruit, added sugar!) is the thing to avoid. It's processed by your liver like a trans fat, it's addictive, and has no nutritional value what so ever......but that's my personal opinion and that's the diet style I'm following currently.
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30 years ago, carbs were king and fat was terrible. That wasn't any more right or wrong than the reverse thinking that's widely disseminated now.
Has it really been that long since the "fat free" craze? Wow I feel old. Now the "in" thing is gluten free this and gluten free that. Because now suddenly everyone has a gluten intolerance. ooops, I better not go there.
I think we've even moved on from that now ... now it's all low carb. Give it a few years and it'll be protein's turn ... low protein.
From Woody Allen's 1973 film "Sleeper":
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Thanks and this is very clear explanation to me. Can you advise me more to the point. So do you mean I am liberty to eat barbeque, beef satay, chocolate, and the like as long as total daily calorries under target?
I would recommend you DO make room in your daily allowances for these things. That way you can eat what you enjoy while losing and eventually maintaining a healthy weight.1 -
Very awesome..yesterday I ate goat satay 12 pieces with callories 600 and my weight had lost 0.3 kgs this week. I combined with my fav workouts such as swimming, walking, and yoga.2
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Oh my gosh, goat satay! I might be able to get goats meat here (well, certainly lamb, as there are more sheep than people here), but I never managed to make a really good satay to go with it. *drools over her computer*0
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You want to control how much fat you eat?? well this app has that function too, just keep an eye on the macros set and you'll see fat there. Although there's been too much bad press for fat over the years, eating fat does not make us fat, its eating too much in general which makes us fat.2
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Hello friends, many people say that there is good and bad fat in the foods. Could you advise please whether that's true. If so we should avoid the bad one.thx.0
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Hello friends, many people say that there is good and bad fat in the foods. Could you advise please whether that's true. If so we should avoid the bad one.thx.
That's not clearly known. Some studies have indicated that saturated fats are worse for you than unsaturated fats, but other studies challenge those conclusions. What is certain is that particular unsaturated fats, especially omega-3 and omega-6 unsaturated fats, are required by your body but cannot be produced by your body, so you need to consume these in your diet. Your body also tends to use unsaturated fats for other things like making your cell membranes. Saturated fats don't have any special chemical properties that make them useful for other reasons than as storage of calories.
Trans fats are believed to be the least healthy form of fat, and many nations, including the US, are banning the inclusion of artificial trans-fats in foods.3 -
joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient. But weightloss is down to consuming less calories than you exhume. Just make sure those calories come from healthy, wholesome foods!!
It doesn't even have to be healthy wholesome foods, you just have to eat at a calorie deficit. If you wanted to live on chocolate cake you could and still lose weight as long as you ate at a deficit. Granted you would be hungry a lot...4 -
Nikki31104 wrote: »joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient. But weightloss is down to consuming less calories than you exhume. Just make sure those calories come from healthy, wholesome foods!!
It doesn't even have to be healthy wholesome foods, you just have to eat at a calorie deficit. If you wanted to live on chocolate cake you could and still lose weight as long as you ate at a deficit. Granted you would be hungry a lot...
From a weight loss point of view. You'd probably be protein deficient on the cake diet, as well as requiring a good amount of vitamin supplements.1 -
rankinsect wrote: »Nikki31104 wrote: »joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient. But weightloss is down to consuming less calories than you exhume. Just make sure those calories come from healthy, wholesome foods!!
It doesn't even have to be healthy wholesome foods, you just have to eat at a calorie deficit. If you wanted to live on chocolate cake you could and still lose weight as long as you ate at a deficit. Granted you would be hungry a lot...
From a weight loss point of view. You'd probably be protein deficient on the cake diet, as well as requiring a good amount of vitamin supplements.
Most definitely. I was just using a high calorie food as an example.0 -
rankinsect wrote: »Hello friends, many people say that there is good and bad fat in the foods. Could you advise please whether that's true. If so we should avoid the bad one.thx.
That's not clearly known. Some studies have indicated that saturated fats are worse for you than unsaturated fats, but other studies challenge those conclusions. What is certain is that particular unsaturated fats, especially omega-3 and omega-6 unsaturated fats, are required by your body but cannot be produced by your body, so you need to consume these in your diet. Your body also tends to use unsaturated fats for other things like making your cell membranes. Saturated fats don't have any special chemical properties that make them useful for other reasons than as storage of calories.
Trans fats are believed to be the least healthy form of fat, and many nations, including the US, are banning the inclusion of artificial trans-fats in foods.
@rankinsect , I notice the various types of fat in my diary do not add up to the total fat grams. Is there another type we do not keep track of in the MFP diaries, or is it just bad entries?1 -
Hi, I like your quote "just make sure those callories comes from healthy, wholesome foods". I just dont want to be over confidence on callories control while neglecting food/drink contents. Also many thanks for advice to maximize unsaturated fats, minimize saturated fats, and if possible avoid trans fats. I just googling, unsat fats: olives, nuts, avocado, seeds, tuna fish, vegetable oils, etc. Sat fats: beef, coconut oil, milk fat, butter, cream, palm oil, shortening, chicken, etc. Trans fat: in many cakes, cookies, etc.0
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kshama2001 wrote: »
It drives you crazy when people demonize one macronutrient while you demonize a different one?joannepimley wrote: »Drives me so crazy when people think dietary fat makes you fat. Carbohydrates are the worst macronutrient.
30 years ago, carbs were king and fat was terrible. That wasn't any more right or wrong than the reverse thinking that's widely disseminated now.
I blame Susan Powter for my decades-long fear of fat.
It's MUCH more complicated for that, but she did capitalize on it. Read "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. He lays it out very elegantly.1
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