Belly fat
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Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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And this one : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859815/
"Our results indicate that when combined with a hypocaloric diet, consuming 500 ml (~16 fl oz) of water prior to each of the three main daily meals (1.5 l/d) leads to ~2 kg greater weight loss over 12 weeks as compared to a hypocaloric diet alone "0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121911/
All the parameters tested were lower after 8 weeks of increased water intake.
Looks like there were no controls for food intake or activity level. Participants were just told "eat like normal."0 -
But no where in there does it state that decreasing water intake will increase fat storage, which was your original quote. This study is basing parameter in EXCESSIVE water intake, not DECREASING it. I understand how water works with metabolic effects on the body quite well, but drinking less of it doesn't impact fat storage the way you're implying it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121911/
All the parameters tested were lower after 8 weeks of increased water intake.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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And this one : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859815/
"Our results indicate that when combined with a hypocaloric diet, consuming 500 ml (~16 fl oz) of water prior to each of the three main daily meals (1.5 l/d) leads to ~2 kg greater weight loss over 12 weeks as compared to a hypocaloric diet alone "
From the abstract itself:
"This may be due in part to an acute reduction in meal EI following water ingestion."
In other words, this study only shows that people eat less if they drink water before their meal.
Both groups were on hypocaloric diets but the diets were not equal. Those drinking water before each meal created a greater caloric deficit by ingesting less food.
It doesn't demonstrate what you claim.0 -
There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.0
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat.
What you posted to prove this didn't prove this.
That's some creative reading of those studies you posted to allow you to extrapolate that low water intake increases fat storage. Very creative.2 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
Two failed attempts to support this claim followed by an instruction for us to look it up ourselves (burden of proof is on you because you're the one who made the claim) lends no more credibility to this baseless claim.
ETA: if there are many available online, please provide just one. The two you linked don't support your claims. Can you find one that does?1 -
I also don't see in those studies where it says just drinking more water will get rid of obese belly fat? It doesn't see like you have posted anything that makes your original statement helpful to the OP, when the only really answer is to eat less than you burn, and lose weight, and your body will decide the rest. I don't think people disagree that staying hydrated is a big part of success, but telling overweight people to just drink more water is just going to give you overweight people who pee a lot.1
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It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.0 -
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
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sonnie2016 wrote: »Does any one have tips on how to get rid of an obesse belly .....i keep fit but my belly wont shrink
Eat at a caloric deficit.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.
Then you're assuming that the OP is not properly hydrated. We have no information on which to base this assumption, thus the advice to "increase water intake and reduce salt" in order to lose the "obese belly" is baseless.
And you still haven't provided any real evidence for your claims.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
It's not his responsibility to prove you right. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
I like this one... if you drop salt and carbs quickly you can loose a good amount of water weight. For me I find it really slims out my face and reduces bloat in my belly. I think everyone here can agree that its not a sustainable weight loss solutions - but that doesn't mean its a bad temporary solutions. You just have to be cognizant of the steps you take following and include many suggestions supported by other members. Quick drop of water weight can be very motivating.0 -
rach_holla wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
I like this one... if you drop salt and carbs quickly you can loose a good amount of water weight. For me I find it really slims out my face and reduces bloat in my belly. I think everyone here can agree that its not a sustainable weight loss solutions - but that doesn't mean its a bad temporary solutions. You just have to be cognizant of the steps you take following and include many suggestions supported by other members. Quick drop of water weight can be very motivating.
The bolded is why it's not helpful advice.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.
Then you're assuming that the OP is not properly hydrated. We have no information on which to base this assumption, thus the advice to "increase water intake and reduce salt" in order to lose the "obese belly" is baseless.
And you still haven't provided any real evidence for your claims.
No one here knows anything about the OP to give any advice including eat at caloric deficit. It was never stated that he is NOT eating at a deficit already. This is a forum of suggestions and the person can ultimately choose what ever path they like. I lost belly size from drinking more water. Stop policing posts.1 -
So in other words we're just supposed to take your word on it? If what you state is correct, then providing legitimate evidence would be great because it's something that others on here could use.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
I'm all for learning new info as long as it's legit. I don't see this here based on lack of evidence.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »rach_holla wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
I like this one... if you drop salt and carbs quickly you can loose a good amount of water weight. For me I find it really slims out my face and reduces bloat in my belly. I think everyone here can agree that its not a sustainable weight loss solutions - but that doesn't mean its a bad temporary solutions. You just have to be cognizant of the steps you take following and include many suggestions supported by other members. Quick drop of water weight can be very motivating.
The bolded is why it's not helpful advice.
Alright, Carlos - you got me
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But that has little to do with loss of belly fat. One could look slimmer wearing baggier than tighter clothing, but it doesn't reduce the fat that one has.rach_holla wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
I like this one... if you drop salt and carbs quickly you can loose a good amount of water weight. For me I find it really slims out my face and reduces bloat in my belly. I think everyone here can agree that its not a sustainable weight loss solutions - but that doesn't mean its a bad temporary solutions. You just have to be cognizant of the steps you take following and include many suggestions supported by other members. Quick drop of water weight can be very motivating.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.
Then you're assuming that the OP is not properly hydrated. We have no information on which to base this assumption, thus the advice to "increase water intake and reduce salt" in order to lose the "obese belly" is baseless.
And you still haven't provided any real evidence for your claims.
1) No one here knows anything about the OP to give any advice including eat at caloric deficit. It was never stated that he is NOT eating at a deficit already. 2) This is a forum of suggestions and the person can ultimately choose what ever path they like. I lost belly size from drinking more water. 3) Stop policing posts.
1) Actually, we do know that if they aren't losing fat then they aren't eating at a caloric deficit. Besides, the advice in the posted link is much more exhaustive than that.
2) And the suggestions should be helpful and based in fact. Telling people the answer to their fat belly problems is to just drink more water is not only unhelpful but could also be destructive when posted on a public forum where many unlearned people could see your post and say "Oh, drinking water makes me burn more fat so that's all I have to do." Thus, when I see these kinds of claims I am compelled to correct them so that beginners don't fall prey to misinformation.
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rach_holla wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »rach_holla wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
I like this one... if you drop salt and carbs quickly you can loose a good amount of water weight. For me I find it really slims out my face and reduces bloat in my belly. I think everyone here can agree that its not a sustainable weight loss solutions - but that doesn't mean its a bad temporary solutions. You just have to be cognizant of the steps you take following and include many suggestions supported by other members. Quick drop of water weight can be very motivating.
The bolded is why it's not helpful advice.
Alright, Carlos - you got me
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So in other words we're just supposed to take your word on it? If what you state is correct, then providing legitimate evidence would be great because it's something that others on here could use.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
I'm all for learning new info as long as it's legit. I don't see this here based on lack of evidence.
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Everyone should be drinking enough water anyway. This study shows that increased water consumption helped to eliminated fat. Quote: "Absolute and relative increases in drinking water were associated with decreases in body weight, waist circumference, and percent body fat "
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.409/full
Do your own research, I'm done with this conversation.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
So in other words we're just supposed to take your word on it? If what you state is correct, then providing legitimate evidence would be great because it's something that others on here could use.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
I'm all for learning new info as long as it's legit. I don't see this here based on lack of evidence.
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1) Everyone should be drinking enough water anyway. 2) This study shows that increased water consumption helped to eliminated fat. Quote: "Absolute and relative increases in drinking water were associated with decreases in body weight, waist circumference, and percent body fat "
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.409/full
3) Do your own research, I'm done with this conversation.
1) That has nothing to do with the OP.
2) That study had virtually no controls and about trillion variables. The subjects self-reported and were on fad diets.
Just reading through it I can't see how anyone could think there's any way to gather any useful information from it at all.
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Doesn't say "eliminates" fat. It states an "association" with weight loss and fat %.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
So in other words we're just supposed to take your word on it? If what you state is correct, then providing legitimate evidence would be great because it's something that others on here could use.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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Do your own research, It's not my goal in life to make sure you are convinced.
I'm all for learning new info as long as it's legit. I don't see this here based on lack of evidence.
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Everyone should be drinking enough water anyway. This study shows that increased water consumption helped to eliminated fat. Quote: "Absolute and relative increases in drinking water were associated with decreases in body weight, waist circumference, and percent body fat "
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2008.409/full
Do your own research, I'm done with this conversation.
My own research and studying on the subject is pretty stout. That's initially why I questioned it in the first place.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.
Then you're assuming that the OP is not properly hydrated. We have no information on which to base this assumption, thus the advice to "increase water intake and reduce salt" in order to lose the "obese belly" is baseless.
And you still haven't provided any real evidence for your claims.
No one here knows anything about the OP to give any advice including eat at caloric deficit. It was never stated that he is NOT eating at a deficit already. This is a forum of suggestions and the person can ultimately choose what ever path they like. I lost belly size from drinking more water. Stop policing posts.
Nobody is "policing posts". They're calling out BS as BS, which is a good thing so people don't blindly believe somebody spouting a bunch of woo.
In regards to the first sentence in your post above - are you saying you don't believe that a caloric deficit is associated with fat loss?
To the OP - you can't spot reduce. Our fat gain/loss patterns are determined largely by our genetics and for many people, fat around the midsection is the last to go. Read the "so you want a nice stomach" thread which was linked several times and maintain a caloric deficit - it will eventually come off, but it may be the last place you lose it. If you're already adequately hydrated, there's no need to go guzzling water in hopes of it "flushing the fat" from your midsection.2 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.
You will never function beyond ideal. I never stated that "if you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal." I simply said that increasing your water intake to become properly hydrated will help get rid of stored fat because of increased liver efficiency. Conversely not being properly hydrated can cause an increase in stored fat. It's simple biology.
Then you're assuming that the OP is not properly hydrated. We have no information on which to base this assumption, thus the advice to "increase water intake and reduce salt" in order to lose the "obese belly" is baseless.
And you still haven't provided any real evidence for your claims.
No one here knows anything about the OP to give any advice including eat at caloric deficit. It was never stated that he is NOT eating at a deficit already. This is a forum of suggestions and the person can ultimately choose what ever path they like. I lost belly size from drinking more water. Stop policing posts.
We do know some basics about the OP. She is 23 years old, 5'5" and 11 Stone (154lbs).
Based on: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blweightfemale.htm
We can tell that the OP is still over weight (pass the max range). NO amount of water will make that change. Eating a calorie deficit, to lose 20-30 lbs (which is what will probably be needed to see a flat belly... maybe a bit more) is going to be the only water. Yes, the OP should stay hydrated but it's nonsense to suggest than an overweight person would achieve a flat stomach by drinking water. We are over-complicating this for the OP and this back and forth is not going to help the OP any.
OP, lifting won't make you bulky, but it will help maintain your muscle. Muscle is what makes you lean and defined. Your genetics will determine your overall structure. You do need to eat in a deficit, but make sure it's not too aggressive as you want to minimize muscle loss. When you lose muscle, you are keeping fat and maintaining a higher body fat %.1 -
I had a large beer gut for decades before I came to MFP. My son poked it and asked "when is it due". I started that day and ate at a deficit while increasing exercise. I worked up to about 30 miles of running a week and lost over 50 pounds. Beer gut was the last to go but go it did. It is also the first to come back if you slack up too.1
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Belly fat is a problem for me too. I lost it entirely for a while in my early 40s by getting down to a low %bf. I was also lifting weights and running and playing a lot of tennis. It's my guess that my fitness level was a factor even if just in posture. I'm 5'6' and it didn't disappear entirely until I was under 120lbs. I'm 144 currently (168 at my highest) and aiming for 135. In other words I'd rather live with a little belly fat than get down that low again (but I am 55 not 23).
Btw, thanks guys for the discussion of water. Absolutely it's about CICO, but as someone who hates having to rush off to the bathroom all the time, I had myself convinced that water had little to no impact on satiety/weight loss.0
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