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sonnie2016 wrote: »I kinda link weights with the really muscely look
I think there might be a typo. What are you trying to say?
Also, at your size, you are towards the higher end of the weight range. So you just need to keep losing.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
No "immediate goal" was stated except "to get rid of obese belly" so I don't know where you're getting that the OP is looking for some immediate improvement in appearance.
The fact is that water retention is most likely not the cause of her belly. It's fat. There is fat on her belly.
Dropping a few pounds of water weight is not going to make a noticeable difference (at least not on someone with enough belly fat to start a thread about it).
And fat "leaves" the body by being burned for energy. You can't just flush it out.
We wouldn't need MFP is we could just like flush it. If only it were that simple.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Actually, after lipids are oxidized, the majority of byproduct (CO2) leaves our body through breathing. While another byproduct (ammonia, IIRC) leaves our body via kidney filtration and urination, it is not water intake that promotes oxidation of fat, so drinking more water is not going to increase fat loss.
OP - I strongly suggest that you read the thread quoted a couple of times already (the so you want a nice stomach one). Your weight isn't bad for your height, but changing body composition can help flatted up your belly area.sonnie2016 wrote: »I kinda link weights with the really muscely look
This is a common (mis)conception. Lifting isn't going to make you break out in muscles all over, especially if you are eating at or just below maintenance. But it goes a long way in helping a slimmer look.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Unfortunately, there is so much nonsense in the posts by this forum member ...
As recommended by others, suggest you read the recommended thread and go from there.0 -
This link as others have suggested above, addresses your issue.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1161603/so-you-want-a-nice-stomach/p1
It is all right there. The Finally part is particularly appropriate for the OP.0 -
Here's another thread to peruse. The title is sarcasm - the point is that lifting can really do a lot for a slim, fit look without creating big bulky muscles.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/977538/halp-heavy-lifting-made-me-supah-bulky/p10 -
What's your source for this?michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.1 -
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121911/
All the parameters tested were lower after 8 weeks of increased water intake.0 -
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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And this one : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859815/
"Our results indicate that when combined with a hypocaloric diet, consuming 500 ml (~16 fl oz) of water prior to each of the three main daily meals (1.5 l/d) leads to ~2 kg greater weight loss over 12 weeks as compared to a hypocaloric diet alone "0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121911/
All the parameters tested were lower after 8 weeks of increased water intake.
Looks like there were no controls for food intake or activity level. Participants were just told "eat like normal."0 -
But no where in there does it state that decreasing water intake will increase fat storage, which was your original quote. This study is basing parameter in EXCESSIVE water intake, not DECREASING it. I understand how water works with metabolic effects on the body quite well, but drinking less of it doesn't impact fat storage the way you're implying it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121911/
All the parameters tested were lower after 8 weeks of increased water intake.
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »
Post the actual study please then. I for one would like to see it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
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And this one : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859815/
"Our results indicate that when combined with a hypocaloric diet, consuming 500 ml (~16 fl oz) of water prior to each of the three main daily meals (1.5 l/d) leads to ~2 kg greater weight loss over 12 weeks as compared to a hypocaloric diet alone "
From the abstract itself:
"This may be due in part to an acute reduction in meal EI following water ingestion."
In other words, this study only shows that people eat less if they drink water before their meal.
Both groups were on hypocaloric diets but the diets were not equal. Those drinking water before each meal created a greater caloric deficit by ingesting less food.
It doesn't demonstrate what you claim.0 -
There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.0
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michaeljbaker303 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »michaeljbaker303 wrote: »You should start by getting rid of water weight. Reduce salt and carbs and more importantly drink enough water. A rule of thumb is half your weight in ounces. For example if you weigh 200lbs you should drink 100 ounces of water a day. That will cause your body to release the water it stores up and will reduce not only your weight but also the bloating that can be in the form of a belly. Water is the most important factor.
Wrong solution for the wrong problem.
I don't think so... The immediate goal was for appearance and that will show the quickest results. Not only that water is how most fat leaves our body so increasing water intake is good all around.
Can you explain how water is the mechanism by which fat leaves our body?
Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver's primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body and weight loss stops.
The bolded demonstrates the importance of staying properly hydrated (as in not dehydrated) but does not explain how that extra water intake beyond what it necessary for normal bodily functions to occur would somehow lead to greater fat loss.
"If you're dehydrated, your body doesn't function well" is a true statement.
"If you're super hydrated, your body functions even better than normal" is not.0 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat.
What you posted to prove this didn't prove this.
That's some creative reading of those studies you posted to allow you to extrapolate that low water intake increases fat storage. Very creative.2 -
michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
Two failed attempts to support this claim followed by an instruction for us to look it up ourselves (burden of proof is on you because you're the one who made the claim) lends no more credibility to this baseless claim.
ETA: if there are many available online, please provide just one. The two you linked don't support your claims. Can you find one that does?1 -
I also don't see in those studies where it says just drinking more water will get rid of obese belly fat? It doesn't see like you have posted anything that makes your original statement helpful to the OP, when the only really answer is to eat less than you burn, and lose weight, and your body will decide the rest. I don't think people disagree that staying hydrated is a big part of success, but telling overweight people to just drink more water is just going to give you overweight people who pee a lot.1
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It's not my burden to prove it. That's on you, so feel free to post the evidence when you find it.michaeljbaker303 wrote: »There are many available on line... this research wasn't done just once. Search for abstracts. Decreasing your water intake causes your body to store more fat from your food. Plain and simple. Increasing it better metabolizes fat. It's all in the liver.
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