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Biggest loser?
derek1237654
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What do people think about what they do on the biggest loser?
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What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.18
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MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?1 -
Study: 13 out of 14 Biggest Loser contestants gain back weight
http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Study-13-out-of-14-Biggest-Loser-contestants-gain-back-weight-378467711.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html?_r=0
I believe learning how to eat right is 90% of the battle.
The show focused too much on exercise.9 -
RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Die because of the ridiculous level of exercise they are put through. Everything about the program is unsustainable.15 -
I think its unrealistic and unhealthy. No one has 4-6 hours a day and a fitness coach living with them. It also focuses too much on weight loss versus body fat percentage and measurements. As you lose weight and work out more you gain muscle which weighs more than fat, so the people who are gaining good amounts of muscle are actually at a disatvantage. Not a fan at all.10
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Dangerous, unhealthy and unsustainable.19
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RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
I think it's shocking the show hasn't killed someone yet. Some of the activities are very, very questionable even for fit people (like running a marathon in the desert, or their "run your fastest mile ever in 90 degree heat" type activities-that mile run sent one contestant to the hospital with heat stroke, IIRC).3 -
RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Both. Someone, despite what they do for medical monitoring, will die during the production4 -
Dangerous!!8
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Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
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Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
Muscle does not take up less space than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A cubic inch of muscle weighs less than a cubic inch of fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied19 -
also you don't gain "a good amount of muscle" on a deficit. You can gain some but not much.2
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MissusMoon wrote: »RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Die because of the ridiculous level of exercise they are put through. Everything about the program is unsustainable.
I vividly remember on one episode of the Biggest Loser they took the contestants to an Olympic training facility where they got to be trained for a session by two professional athletes.
The athletes ran the session and said they were impressed by the contestants and they had done enough. Then Bob chimed in with a weird, maniacal laugh that the contestants were just getting started and he intended to keep pushing them for another hour at least. The camera cut to one of the athletes giving Bob a look like "you must be crazy..."7 -
Cubic inch to cubic inch, it does.Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
The more dense a substance is, the heavier it is per cubic inch.
Everyone in the world who hears this phrase knows what is being communicated, that a pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound of fat, that a cubic inch of muscle weighs more than a cubic inch of fat.
Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.27 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
Muscle does not take up less space than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A cubic inch of muscle weighs less than a cubic inch of fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
Your statement is looking at it from the POV of volume or size and when said like that is correct but when people say "a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat" it's just not correct. They are 2 different concepts
Unless I am missing something, If i am please explain it to this stupid old lady OK?0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »
Cubic inch to cubic inch, it does.Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
The more dense a substance is, the heavier it is per cubic inch.
Everyone in the world who hears this phrase knows what is being communicated, that a pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound of fat, that a cubic inch of muscle weighs more than a cubic inch of fat.
Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.
I understand that, You would be surprised how many people that I have met that do NOT understand that.0 -
Mostly I feel really sad that people (like on Biggest Loser) don't get the support and education (CICO) to eat and exercise in a healthy sustainable way for a LIFETIME. That's why I like MFP -- we can get the support here, learn there is no magic, only CICO and lifestyle change to support CICO including exercise. Also, I have found support here to get my own knowledgeable and realistic trainers that help me with my CICO, and particularly the exercise part of it (I love weightlifting w/out injury)! Also we see what works for people over the long haul, and how the maintainers keep it off (surprise, CICO).4
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Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Cubic inch to cubic inch, it does.Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
The more dense a substance is, the heavier it is per cubic inch.
Everyone in the world who hears this phrase knows what is being communicated, that a pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound of fat, that a cubic inch of muscle weighs more than a cubic inch of fat.
Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.
I understand that, You would be surprised how many people that I have met that do NOT understand that.
I would be VERY surprised because I've never met a single one (and I've met a bunch of people).3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Cubic inch to cubic inch, it does.Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
The more dense a substance is, the heavier it is per cubic inch.
Everyone in the world who hears this phrase knows what is being communicated, that a pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound of fat, that a cubic inch of muscle weighs more than a cubic inch of fat.
Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.
I understand that, You would be surprised how many people that I have met that do NOT understand that.
I would be VERY surprised because I've never met a single one (and I've met a bunch of people).
I have, but these are also the heavy lifting make you bulky, gain 10 lbs of muscle in a few months from walking and turn your fat into muscle )or vice versa) type of people3 -
I'm very confused by this thread...how did it get into muscle vs fat?
As to the OP, I think the show is dangerous and probably sets up a lot of viewers for unrealistic expectations or worse, copycatting. They basically starve the contestants and make them do incessant amounts of exercise...not good at all.9 -
The Biggest Loser boils down to this:
If people did it on their own at home, they'd be diagnosed with an eating disorder.20 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm very confused by this thread...how did it get into muscle vs fat?
As to the OP, I think the show is dangerous and probably sets up a lot of viewers for unrealistic expectations or worse, copycatting. They basically starve the contestants and make them do incessant amounts of exercise...not good at all.
1) Because I am an idiot, and can't read LOL
2) Yes, the way they have these people lose weight is insane IMO . I know a girl right now that is only eating about 800 calories a day and exercising a lot. She is 5'7 and about 40 lbs overweight. I keep telling her there is no good reason that I know of to stress herself out like this but she wont listen. She's even said to me "Well thats how they do it on those TV shows"1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.
I could not agree more.
No one thinks a lb of something has a different weight than a lb of something else. The same volume is implied when weights are compared (for other than specific objects/people).
The reason "muscle weighs more than fat" is often a silly thing to say is that there's no reason to think you put on a lb or 2 of muscle in a short period of time (like a week), and people suggest that this is a possibility (usually from some mild cardio and at 1200 calories) all the time. Those people are wrong, but I'm sure they aren't confused about 1 lb=1 lb.3 -
Oh, back to topic -- I think BL is dangerous for the contestants (as many others have said) and exploitative (although the contestants choose this, for the weight loss and chance at the cash) with all the focus on the personal tragedy stuff. As with the focus on extreme exercise, the show apparently doesn't think an educational approach about weight loss would be entertaining enough (and they are probably right when it comes to ratings).
I think the worst thing is probably the unreal expectations about how fast weight loss should be.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Saying that one substance is heavier than another is simply the common way of communicating that it is more dense because, given equal volumes, the more dense substance will weigh more.
Seriously, if you say "muscle is more dense than fat" and I say "muscle weighs more than fat," the fact is that we both mean the same thing and everyone understands what we're communicating.
The pointless argument over symantics on this issue makes me stabby.
It's not like people are spreading derp and woo by using the common vernacular. They're simply stating a fact but doing so in such a way that leaves an unspoken assumption (equal volumes) yet that everyone understands.
I could not agree more.
No one thinks a lb of something has a different weight than a lb of something else. The same volume is implied when weights are compared (for other than specific objects/people).
The reason "muscle weighs more than fat" is often a silly thing to say is that there's no reason to think you put on a lb or 2 of muscle in a short period of time (like a week), and people suggest that this is a possibility (usually from some mild cardio and at 1200 calories) all the time. Those people are wrong, but I'm sure they aren't confused about 1 lb=1 lb.
Agreed. I roll my eyes when someone posts "help! I started drinking lemon water and taking walks but I'm not losing weight!" And derpers start with their "that's because you're putting on muscle which weighs more than fat!"
But to me that seems like a misunderstanding about how muscle is built.
I think that's where the misinformation should be called out but unfortunately the only argument anyone posts is "no, it's just more dense!" *eye roll*7 -
MissusMoon wrote: »RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Die because of the ridiculous level of exercise they are put through. Everything about the program is unsustainable.
I know they are being monitored by medical , but I always wonder how these people don't go into rhabdomyolysis.3 -
Wickedfaery73 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Wickedfaery73 wrote: »Muscle does not weigh more than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A pound of muscle takes up less space than a pound fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
Muscle does not take up less space than fat. I wish people would quit saying that. A cubic inch of muscle weighs less than a cubic inch of fat. Weight = gravity's pull, Volume = space occupied
Your statement is looking at it from the POV of volume or size and when said like that is correct but when people say "a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat" it's just not correct. They are 2 different concepts
Unless I am missing something, If i am please explain it to this stupid old lady OK?
They weight the same. Muscle has more mass per surface area.1 -
mommarnurse wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Die because of the ridiculous level of exercise they are put through. Everything about the program is unsustainable.
I know they are being monitored by medical , but I always wonder how these people don't go into rhabdomyolysis.
Since rhabdomyolysis can have a genetic predisposition and it can be tested for with a dipstick in urine, it would not surprise me if contestants were tested prior the show for it. This would at least minimise the risk.0 -
mommarnurse wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »RaeBeeBaby wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »What they do on the show? I think people are going to die. I think it's surprising they haven't.
You think people are going to die on the show? Or just die in general because they are morbidly obese?
Die because of the ridiculous level of exercise they are put through. Everything about the program is unsustainable.
I know they are being monitored by medical , but I always wonder how these people don't go into rhabdomyolysis.
Since rhabdomyolysis can have a genetic predisposition and it can be tested for with a dipstick in urine, it would not surprise me if contestants were tested prior the show for it. This would at least minimise the risk.
The problem is that they shame and guilt people who are pulled or told to slow down by the medical team. I recall at least one contestant having a stress fracture and basically being called lazy because she couldn't run as hard/fast as the others.6 -
The show makes me cringe.6
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