You NEED to stop calorie counting and restricting!
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RosieRose7673 wrote: »RosieRose7673 wrote: »shortvixen09 wrote: »People can lose weight differently. Some lucky folks have the metabolism to do so. Some people say it don't matter what you eat, as looking as you work it off. However, you just can't go wrong with calories counting. Maybe tough at times but now that I think about, it's probably the most simple thing to do. I'd die if I had to work everything I WANT to eat off. Lol.
My sister is one of the "lucky" ones she can eat whatever she wants but she stays a stick, it's not sustainable though her metabolism will slow as she gets older and she's going to start gaining if she doesn't start eating at maintenance instead of a surplus
She doesn't eat at surplus, she eats at maintanece now. She is not lucky unless she is tall. Her maintenance will go down as she gets older.
I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe as she eats actual crap and never exercises...she's around 5"5? Or 5"6? She just has an extremely thin body type
You can eat crap and still eat at maintenance. She might not excerise but she may be active in her day to day life.
I assure you she isn't lol. She's a high school student who sits 8 hours a day and does 0 exercise at home. I understand that you can eat crap and still be at maintenance.
She's in high school. People don't stop maturing until into their twenties. She likely needs extra energy for growth.
Do you live with her? Are you by her side 24/7? If not, it's likely she doesn't eat that way all the time.
That's literally what I said in my first post! Lol. I mentioned her metabolism would slow as she got older and it would catch up with her.
Yes I live with her
You also said that she is eating a surplus when she is maintaining her weight. Another poster and I were just telling you that if she is maintaining her weight, she is not eating a surplus.
I posted that to give you a few reasons as to why it may seem like she eats at a surplus.
I was just assuming based on the way she eats and her lack of an active lifestyle that she was. I have no idea for certain because unlike me she doesn't count calories lol
You may not literally be counting calories but, setting aside those medical conditions, a deficit is 100% required to lose weight.
I agree 100%. I'm not sure if you read my original post but I was ranting about people who had told me CICO wasn't a thing ...the subject line was shameless clickbait LOL
What you walked into late was a detailed conversation about how my sister maintains her weight
I quoted your original post.
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RosieRose7673 wrote: »RosieRose7673 wrote: »shortvixen09 wrote: »People can lose weight differently. Some lucky folks have the metabolism to do so. Some people say it don't matter what you eat, as looking as you work it off. However, you just can't go wrong with calories counting. Maybe tough at times but now that I think about, it's probably the most simple thing to do. I'd die if I had to work everything I WANT to eat off. Lol.
My sister is one of the "lucky" ones she can eat whatever she wants but she stays a stick, it's not sustainable though her metabolism will slow as she gets older and she's going to start gaining if she doesn't start eating at maintenance instead of a surplus
She doesn't eat at surplus, she eats at maintanece now. She is not lucky unless she is tall. Her maintenance will go down as she gets older.
I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe as she eats actual crap and never exercises...she's around 5"5? Or 5"6? She just has an extremely thin body type
You can eat crap and still eat at maintenance. She might not excerise but she may be active in her day to day life.
I assure you she isn't lol. She's a high school student who sits 8 hours a day and does 0 exercise at home. I understand that you can eat crap and still be at maintenance.
She's in high school. People don't stop maturing until into their twenties. She likely needs extra energy for growth.
Do you live with her? Are you by her side 24/7? If not, it's likely she doesn't eat that way all the time.
That's literally what I said in my first post! Lol. I mentioned her metabolism would slow as she got older and it would catch up with her.
Yes I live with her
You also said that she is eating a surplus when she is maintaining her weight. Another poster and I were just telling you that if she is maintaining her weight, she is not eating a surplus.
I posted that to give you a few reasons as to why it may seem like she eats at a surplus.
I was just assuming based on the way she eats and her lack of an active lifestyle that she was. I have no idea for certain because unlike me she doesn't count calories lol
I'm late to the conversations, but just about the only time someone would lose weight eating at a surplus is if they have some medical issue that needs immediate attention. Hyperthyroidism comes to mind, as does cancer.
Other than those medical issues, whatever your weight is doing is supported by whether you eat too much, too little, or just about right.
You may not literally be counting calories but, setting aside those medical conditions, a deficit is 100% required to lose weight.
People with hypertyrodism have extremely have metabolisms. They still need to est in a surplus to gain but its really hard. One guy on this forum had it and has to eat 6k calories to gain.2 -
Tbh my best friend told me this once, the reason is his personal bias. None of us knew because ofc you dont spread this around was the fact that his girlfriend has an eating disorder. Hes very smart and I always admired that but he personally suffered through a lot of pain due to her eating disorder and he simply cannot see that people can lose weight by resonsibly counting calories.
Additionally another friend recently had a break up after 4 years of relationship and shes currently doing the exact same thing. Shes counting calories but shes doing it wrong. She literally restricts herself by only getting 500calories +/- and doing a lot of excercise. I tried to explain to her how I lost my weight so far. And that this is a way in which you can still enjoy a pizza sometimes and get all your energy and nutrition and not starve yourself.
Thus yeah, I think theres people I would not recommend calorie counting because Id be afraid they couldnt handle it in a responsible way. And I guess the advice in media is not wrong sometimes cause it can (not saying it has to) lead to extremes. Then again I think media is right in saying so because people who are really motivated and interested in loosing weight will research more.1 -
I am constantly running into people who are amazed at my weight loss and they all "how are you doing it" and i'm "Just count calories, use MFP" and they continue to ask questions as if i'm lying or just not telling them the whole story. No really just count calories.11
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sashayoung72 wrote: »I am constantly running into people who are amazed at my weight loss and they all "how are you doing it" and i'm "Just count calories, use MFP" and they continue to ask questions as if i'm lying or just not telling them the whole story. No really just count calories.
Congratulations! People are brainwashed that one has to follow a plan made up by someone else that costs money because of eating certain products or supplements. There are so many diets and weight loss programs out there!6 -
I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
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Caloriegate hahaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdq7XleR04
Watch experts prove that it was aliens who built the pyramids.8 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Wow. I like theory #2. Do we get to pick and choose? JK
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Wow. That blog post is amazingly bad. One "expert" compares fat to a tumour, which is why it grows?!
Other "experts" are nothing but fellow bloggers.11 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Wow. That blog post is amazingly bad. One "expert" compares fat to a tumour, which is why it grows?!
Other "experts" are nothing but fellow bloggers.
I was trying to figure out if it was a joke site but I don't think it is.....7 -
sashayoung72 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Wow. That blog post is amazingly bad. One "expert" compares fat to a tumour, which is why it grows?!
Other "experts" are nothing but fellow bloggers.
I was trying to figure out if it was a joke site but I don't think it is.....
And people wonder where posters get their ideas? -->> the "experts".12 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode2 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.7 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.
There's a Freelee thread in the debate section and it is chock full of crazy nuggets and untruths she spreads. The mind boggles at her popularity.1 -
MissusMoon wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.
There's a Freelee thread in the debate section and it is chock full of crazy nuggets and untruths she spreads. The mind boggles at her popularity.
Oh thanks for the heads-up.1 -
I think people will listen to others who get results. Freelee has amazing abs.0
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MissusMoon wrote: »
No!0 -
You do what works for you. But yes its not necessary to count calories, if you are eating the right foods and working out on a daily basis, especially if you're weight training.1
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Actually it is proven. But people dont want to believe it there are many metabolic ward studies to prove it and that there is no differences between diets, with the exception of the first few days. At that point the body tries to maintain homeostasis.
You really need to find more reliable sources though.4 -
MissusMoon wrote: »
She must have missed 6th grade health classes.6 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.
She's riding her bike for hours on end on a daily basis with her boyfriend.3 -
MissusMoon wrote: »
She must have missed 6th grade health classes.
I think she's afraid of her body. Periods are caused by toxins, you should drink so much water that you wake up in the night to pee and your pee should always be crystal clear, if you don't eat very specific things in a very specific way your health will suffer... I don't know what else she says but from this it sounds like she doesn't trust her body to keep her alive so she keeps it on a tight leash.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.
She's riding her bike for hours on end on a daily basis with her boyfriend.
I knew it! She is burning off her bananas!4 -
stevencloser wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
Omg I know! And she calls a 1600 calorie diet for women "starvation" mode
It would be interesting to see what her average daily caloric intake is vs. her calorie burn. She isn't telling everything, I imagine.
She's riding her bike for hours on end on a daily basis with her boyfriend.
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People have the habit of pushing what works for them on others.5
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mrspinky85 wrote: »People have the habit of pushing what works for them on others.
As the "only" way3 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I am very happy that there are so many successful people here counting calories. However, the "science" of CICO is not science at all, and is totally unsettled.
http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity
Ba-dum-tssss!
We get to make our own foil hats?
What are the "right foods" @lcorral31 ?You do what works for you. But yes its not necessary to count calories, if you are eating the right foods and working out on a daily basis, especially if you're weight training.
I often see cookies, chocolate, wine and ice cream listed in the 'bad food' list.
And, guess what?
I lost 85lbs eating baaaaaaaad food.
Dude. Counting calories IS a proven science.
Science.
Also, you shouldn't do weight training every day... your muscles need rest.4 -
So, I'm a little late to this party, but, based on my own limited experience, I think that taking the focus off of calorie counting and restriction early on in a weight loss journey can be beneficial for some. Jumping right in to exercise routines and food scales and calorie counting can be overwhelming for people, especially people who are already busy with jobs and parenting and life in general. We all have our habits and routines and carving out time for something new can be a challenge. For me, my main concern is getting healthy. That just happens to include losing weight. I started by simply switching to a healthier diet with no regard for calorie counting and no specific exercise regime. I simply stopped eating high fat, high carb, sugar-laden processed foods. Instead, I went on what I called a "mostly vegan" diet that consisted primarily of vegetables plus some fruit and little to no animal products. I lost weight - about 25 pounds over the course of 8 to 12 weeks. During that time, I also kicked the soda habit and drink water almost exclusively now. My sporadic exercise developed into an actual daily routine. I started writing down what I ate. I ended up on MFP only because I wanted a simpler way to log my food. However, after joining and logging with MFP for a short time, it was very easy to switch to starting to count calories which I do now.
My point is that if I had tried to start with calorie counting and restriction and an exercise regime then I think it would have been too many changes too quickly and I would have been less likely to stick to it. I would have likely failed by now as I have many times in the past. For me, it was a way to get pointed in the right direction and begin building the healthy habits that are going to help me to succeed in the end. I don't think it is a strategy that would necessarily continue to work long term. I am sure that it would not for me, even given my initial success. Science is science, after all. Some people may find it difficult to eat an abundance of calories from "healthy" sources, but I can eat quite a bit so, at some point, I was destined to be a calorie counter again if I was going to make this work. However, beginning with a simple diet shift does a few things that help put a person on the path to success. It builds good eating habits, nourishes the body, and motivates with a taste of success. So I think it can be a good beginning strategy, especially for people who are very obese and poorly nourished, as I was. It sure as hell isn't going to hurt.5
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