Herbalife
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Well.....why not just reduce the size of the meal instead?
Satiety and adherence could be a part of it.1 -
Well.....why not just reduce the size of the meal instead?
Personal preference? It's pretty much the same as deciding to supplement with protein shakes versus trying to hit protein goals through meals - both options will get you to your goal, but some people find one option works better for them in getting there.0 -
What I want to know is why are you giving people a hard time when you've done it many, many times yourself over the past few years?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/21056668/#Comment_21056668
There is largely a difference between telling someone that it taste like chalk and there are cheaper options than the juxtaposition that it can lead to liver damage. If you stalk any of my shakeology post (as there are a ton of them), you will see it's fairly consistent in saying that it taste like crap and you can get more nutrition out of a NatureMade multivitamin and a protein shake.1 -
There is largely a difference between telling someone that it taste like chalk and there are cheaper options than the juxtaposition that it can lead to liver damage. If you stalk any of my shakeology post (as there are a ton of them), you will see it's fairly consistent in saying that it taste like crap and you can get more nutrition out of a NatureMade multivitamin and a protein shake.
Right, but I've in no way discussed the liver (except that processing large quantities of filters provides extra work for the liver in general, which can be said of anyone taking pills in large quantities), but you keep seeming to take issue with what I've been saying in this thread.0 -
Right, but I've in no way discussed the liver (except that processing large quantities of filters provides extra work for the liver in general, which can be said of anyone taking pills in large quantities), but you keep seeming to take issue with what I've been saying in this thread.
I am not taking issue with anything you said. I am engaging based on your initial engagement and others as well.0 -
Alluminati wrote: »Whether or not it causes liver damage, it is still an MLM with annoying salesmen who will say anything to sell their over priced, sub par products. They don't need any fitness training to be advising anyone on health and some misrepresent themselves or outright lie to get sales. Sorry but people need to know this and not get taken in. So while you sit there feeling all scholarly because your debating the health benefits of Herbalife (lol), I'm going to stick to common sense and stay away and advising others to do the same. I don't care if the advice is taken or not but at least I said something.
LOL How is that different from every other product on the market ever? We are bombarded with advertising, sales people and marketing all day every day. Many (most) of them selling sub par products.
It will be interesting to see how Herbalife restructures from a MLM based model to a retail based model. No more recruiting down chain patsies. They will have to sell product to retail customers to make money, which may be hard given their high prices for lower quality products. Who knows, on the straight retail model they are going to have to adopt, their prices may even come down as every container of product doesn't have to send diluted proceeds up-chain.0 -
BillMcKay1 wrote: »
LOL How is that different from every other product on the market ever? We are bombarded with advertising, sales people and marketing all day every day. Many (most) of them selling sub par products.
It will be interesting to see how Herbalife restructures from a MLM based model to a retail based model. No more recruiting down chain patsies. They will have to sell product to retail customers to make money, which may be hard given their high prices for lower quality products. Who knows, on the straight retail model they are going to have to adopt, their prices may even come down as every container of product doesn't have to send diluted proceeds up-chain.
I have been, in the last 6 months, approached by 3 different Herbalife salespeople. 2 in the grocery store and 1 in front of my kids school. All 3 times I was wearing my gym clothes and had my gym bag. The first one managed to insult me because he asked if I knew where the local gym was (I guess since I was dressed as such) and me, being a polite dummy, told him. He then asked about my workouts and started to go into a spiel about how I could be looking better if I decided to try his products and gave me his card. My Facebook and Instagram are bombarded with this stuff by friends and sadly, family members.
I don't have Avon people waving me down in grocery stores or Pampered Chef people approaching me in the nail salon (although I work with some who do it as a part time and STILL, none have approached me to buy anything). So yeah, there's a difference in the MLM push.
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Here is the consumer report back in 2010 about many of our favorite brands of protein powders and their associated contamination.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/protein-drinks/index.htm
That's a misleading study. I know I posted about it in the past, although I can never find anything here.
Here's a link to an Alan Aragon article: http://nicktumminello.com/2010/07/poison-protein-and-consumer-reports-nutrition-expert-alan-aragon-speaks-out/
(For the record, none of the protein powders I happen to use were even involved, and I am not concerned about them from my research.)
I'm also not sure why you are comparing Herbalife to a protein powder. It's something like 6 g of protein for 100 calories, which would be a pretty poor protein powder. Just eating eggs would be a better protein source than that.1 -
Well.....why not just reduce the size of the meal instead?
You can't really con people into recruiting their friends and family into selling "reducing the size of your meal".4 -
sammrowles wrote: »I have struggled to lose weight for a long time until I tried Herbalife! A shake for breakfast is all I do and it works very well.
Do you think just eating a similar-calorie breakfast instead of the Herbalife would not work just as well? If so, how do you explain that? It's claims such as these -- that Herbalife has some kind of magical weight loss properties (same with Shakeology) -- that I find scammy and offensive.
Just their marketing practices (close enough to a pyramid scheme in my book) would be enough to make me avoid them for ethical reasons even if I thought they were a good product, but I see no evidence that they are anyway.1 -
Alluminati wrote: »Because the thread is about Hebalife and not advertising in general? If you wan't to discuss that then maybe start a new thread.
I have been, in the last 6 months, approached by 3 different Herbalife salespeople. 2 in the grocery store and 1 in front of my kids school. All 3 times I was wearing my gym clothes and had my gym bag. The first one managed to insult me because he asked if I knew where the local gym was (I guess since I was dressed as such) and me, being a polite dummy, told him. He then asked about my workouts and started to go into a spiel about how I could be looking better if I decided to try his products and gave me his card. My Facebook and Instagram are bombarded with this stuff by friends and sadly, family members.
I don't have Avon people waving me down in grocery stores or Pampered Chef people approaching me in the nail salon (although I work with some who do it as a part time and STILL, none have approached me to buy anything). So yeah, there's a difference in the MLM push.
I know right. I was at Costco the other day and like 10 different people tried to push their products on me. Something about try this free sample of tuna on a cracker...pushy I tell you what.2 -
BillMcKay1 wrote: »
lol ok then......
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BillMcKay1 wrote: »
LOL How is that different from every other product on the market ever? We are bombarded with advertising, sales people and marketing all day every day. Many (most) of them selling sub par products.
It will be interesting to see how Herbalife restructures from a MLM based model to a retail based model. No more recruiting down chain patsies. They will have to sell product to retail customers to make money, which may be hard given their high prices for lower quality products. Who knows, on the straight retail model they are going to have to adopt, their prices may even come down as every container of product doesn't have to send diluted proceeds up-chain.
They may not end up lowering their prices even when they go retail. Most of the home-sales businesses I see people talking about on FB also offer an option to purchase directly in addition to having consultants, at the same prices. They may try to move to a model like that, which eliminates the chain to a point, but would still have people signing on as consultants.0 -
They may not end up lowering their prices even when they go retail. Most of the home-sales businesses I see people talking about on FB also offer an option to purchase directly in addition to having consultants, at the same prices. They may try to move to a model like that, which eliminates the chain to a point, but would still have people signing on as consultants.
True. I believe one of the terms of the settlement was Herbalife would have to distinguish between those are active retail sellers and those who only signed on to get the discount.0 -
BillMcKay1 wrote: »
I know right. I was at Costco the other day and like 10 different people tried to push their products on me. Something about try this free sample of tuna on a cracker...pushy I tell you what.
I don't get it.0 -
Alluminati wrote: »
I don't get it.
You know.. Those reps with their sample offers on every corner of the supermarket. I try not to make eye contact with them!0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »
You know.. Those reps with their sample offers on every corner of the supermarket. I try not to make eye contact with them!
Those people in the way that make it impossible to navigate anywhere with a cart and who are lucky that I never actually bring a weapon to the grocery store? (In fact, I'm not allowed to push the cart since my husband is convinced that I can turn that into a weapon.)0 -
Those people in the way that make it impossible to navigate anywhere with a cart and who are lucky that I never actually bring a weapon to the grocery store? (In fact, I'm not allowed to push the cart since my husband is convinced that I can turn that into a weapon.)
It can absolutely be used ad a weapon. Allegedly.0 -
Those people in the way that make it impossible to navigate anywhere with a cart and who are lucky that I never actually bring a weapon to the grocery store? (In fact, I'm not allowed to push the cart since my husband is convinced that I can turn that into a weapon.)
Lol yes, those strategically placed people.
As for herbalife, no i wouldn't use it.. It's way too expensive, too many weird and probably pointless ingredients, i hear it tastes like crap and their sales people are too pushy and needy which is an instant turn off! They also prey on the overweight and desperate, as do all mlm weight loss schemes.
However if random internet folks want to use it and they 'think' it helps them lose weight, and they don't care about the liver damage whispers, then honestly.. I really don't DGAF. I'm certainly not going to waste my time debating back and forth trying to teach them the error of their ways.2 -
This is interesting.
About 20 some odd years ago I took this powder-drink product that had in it, and it made my heart feel like it was jumping out of my chest. I wonder if it was herbalife.
My roomate at the time loved it, but after a few times I swore never to touch it again (and I didn't).
Used to be a lot of stuff had ephedra in it, especially weight loss supplements and power shakes and things. Then they banned it because people had heart attacks. Since that experience I'm kind of a freak about supplements or drinks or powders and refuse to take them unless I know exactly what's in them, and no, "proprietary blend" will not cover it.2 -
You can't really con people into recruiting their friends and family into selling "reducing the size of your meal".
I think that about sums it up.
Plus the notion that many people believe the shakes have some magic mixed in with protein.2 -
You can't really con people into recruiting their friends and family into selling "reducing the size of your meal".
Do you even MFP?1 -
I think that about sums it up.
Plus the notion that many people believe the shakes have some magic mixed in with protein.
At the cost of them, I would expect gold dust along with rainbow kitten farts.3 -
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last year i joined the herbal life boot camp in the park during the summer period. i really enjoyed them. At the end of the sessions they used to make us form a circle. Then they would ask for volunteers on the product to say how they are feeling. ONe lady whispered hungry. I just found that too funny, and too me that sums the whole thing up. Its not magic its just eating less.
I became friendly with one of the ladies who let me taste her raspberry tea, it was disgusting, so why the heck am i going to even try their expensive shake. I also had my wellness check done and she asked me why i was drinking whey protein it makes you gain weight, and i should drink their soya protein instead. from then on i knew I couldn't trust anything those "coaches" tell me.
When i get fed up of being a decent person I will start selling that shite to make money from vulnerable people6
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