Come on, mfp. 1200?
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redheaddee1974 wrote: »redheaddee1974 wrote: »Google Scooby Calculator. Go to that website. Read about TBEE and BMR. Calculate yours and use THAT number.
Most people should NOT be eating a mere 1200 calories unless they are 4'11" or 88 years old. That's less than they would feed you intravenously if you were in a coma for heaven's sake.
Scientific research can be very eye opening. The amount of nonsense perpetuated on these message boards is astonishing and quite frankly, with the ease of Google, inexcusable.
not yet...TDEE is for someone who is consistent with exercise...it is best to just use the number here when the stats are entered in correctly and find out how many exercise calories to eat back and calculate your own TDEE using your numbers not some guesstimate from a website.
That is simply untrue.
TDEE is short for Total Daily Energy Expenditure. This is the amount calories your body burns in a 24 hour period, sleeping, working, exercising, playing and even digesting food! The IIFYM TDEE Calculator is designed to give you your exact TDEE based on a few key factors:
BMR – Basal Metabolic Rate (The number of calories your body burns at rest, with zero activity)
TEF – Thermic Effect of Food (The number of calories burned in the process of digesting food you eat)
NEAT – Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis (The number of calories burned in all activity outside of exercise)
TEA – Thermic Effect of Activity (The number of calories you burn exercising (or higher than usually energy output)
Add these all up and we arrive at your TDEE, or Total Daily Energy Expenditure
http://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator/
She knows that. She's talking about TDEE method, which is eating a consistent amount that includes exercise calories. If your TDEE varies a huge amount, you can't do that, you'd have to recalculate it constantly. But if you have a consistent weekly exercise schedule, you can average the TDEE across the week and eat a consistent amount.
MFP used properly is also based on TDEE, just daily, but how it's done is to calculate a goal based on NEAT and add back exercise calories to get the TDEE (minus whatever the deficit is) for the day.
In common MFP parlance, TDEE method is used for eating a consistent amount based on average TDEE for the week, and MFP method is used to refer to NEAT + exercise calories (or some portion thereof), which, yes, ends up being based on daily TDEE if done right, but is not obtained through the TDEE calculators.
Most who do TDEE method will, of course, move away from the estimates to actual TDEE based on results, which is not possible to do if your exercise isn't consistent.4 -
as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
I agree with pretty much everything you said!
I think people are terrified of being even mildly hungry. Willpower is a powerful tool. It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication. It's probably jealousy, IMHO. If your protein is on point, along with the strength training you mentioned, you are most certainly not losing much muscle, if any at all. Have a great day everyone!0 -
You lost a bunch of weight, then gained it back, now losing again....Sounds like a great plan, especially if you don't mind being hungry all the time.....It isn't for everyone. I have a fairly active job, so 1200 would not work for me. Generally those who are smaller and older are ideal for that amount.
Well. I'm not small, nor am I old, and it is working just fine. I workout 6x/week for an hour each time. Personally, I just think one needs to get used to feeling mildly hungry most of the time. *shrugs*
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amusedmonkey wrote: »
What am I doing wrong? I spend most of my days in a chair and laying down at home. I do go to the gym 1-3 days a week for cardio but it isn't constant.. and adding exercise adds 100 calories lol
You are 5 inches tall that's what's wrong. No wonder you can't lose weight at 1200 calories!
Edit: you are lucky you are a male though, otherwise you would have gotten an even lower allowance.
Well that explains that!
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as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
anybody trying to lose weight is losing muscle...me included...but with low calorie intake unless you are prefect on your protein macro etc you are losing more than you think...but won't take this any further...you believe what you want and eat how you want as it is of no consequence to me...I just truly was trying to help.
It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it.
Do you think you are the grandmaster of weight loss or something? Talk about an ego, wow. How DARE someone refuse to agree with your point! LOL.6 -
as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
I agree with pretty much everything you said!
I think people are terrified of being even mildly hungry. Willpower is a powerful tool. It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication. It's probably jealousy, IMHO. If your protein is on point, along with the strength training you mentioned, you are most certainly not losing much muscle, if any at all. Have a great day everyone!
Why would we be jealous of someone losing weight while being mildly hungry, when we also lost weight, but without having to be hungry?
Everyone loses muscle when they lose weight. Eating as many calories as possible and a good amount of protein minimizes the loss.11 -
as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
anybody trying to lose weight is losing muscle...me included...but with low calorie intake unless you are prefect on your protein macro etc you are losing more than you think...but won't take this any further...you believe what you want and eat how you want as it is of no consequence to me...I just truly was trying to help.
It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it.
Do you think you are the grandmaster of weight loss or something? Talk about an ego, wow. How DARE someone refuse to agree with your point! LOL.
The pot calling the kettle black?? or just double standards....As you said: It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication".....
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MichaelStenberg wrote: »
You are a 27 year old male eating 1200 calories? Why?6 -
"I just truly was trying to help. It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it."
Funny, I don't remember her asking for help. I must be wrong, though. You must need to have made over 1,000 posts to MFP to give unsolicited advice. Anyway, have a great day everyone!0 -
"I just truly was trying to help. It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it."
Funny, I don't remember her asking for help. I must be wrong, though. You must need to have made over 1,000 posts to MFP to give unsolicited advice. Anyway, have a great day everyone!
What's really funny is that you've offered no advice at all and only posted to criticize another member.8 -
MichaelStenberg wrote: »
You are a 27 year old male eating 1200 calories? Why?
Because I was a 27 year old, 5'10" at 217 at one point. I look at my family members and decided that's not the path I'd like to choose. Motivation, and I'm getting close to my goal weight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »katandwaves wrote: »I looked again and it was set at 1.5 pounds loss/week for 1,200. When I changed it to 1 pound/week it suggests 1,450. I know I have the ability to select my own calorie goal as well as eat back some of the calories through exercise. I just know that I struggle with sustaining on the low end. I think 1,500 is reasonable so I'll see how that goes.
I tried the clean eating thing and lasted 3 weeks then I lost it and went on a major binge and am now the heaviest I've ever been. I was 140 consistently up until a few years ago.
Thanks, ladies for all of your responses and support!
- Katrina
I'm 5'2 and 41 and started here with a goal to lose 25 lbs. Because of my height, even a selection of 1 lb/week with a sedentary activity level gave me a goal of 1200 cals. I quickly realized that wasn't enough for me, I was always over my cals (even with eating back exercise cals) but was still losing. I started reading on these forums about how 1200 really isn't appropriate for that many people, really only extremely petite, older, and very sedentary.
I raised my goal first to 1400, then to 1500, still eating back exercise cals and still losing. I lost about the weight I set out to lose eating between 1600-1800 cals. I'm now maintaining a 30 lb loss with a TDEE of 2200 cals.
If I were you I would try the 1450 cals but make sure you eat back some exercise cals. Also focus on logging accuracy using a food scale ideally. Give it 6-8 weeks and track your progress, then adjust from there.
I am 5'1" and 36. I started at 140 and wanting to lose 20# with a somewhat active lifestyle. I was at the 1200 and I thought that was ok until I lost fast because I was starving myself LITERALLY!!!! I didn't really realize how active I really was until I got a fitness tracker. Now things have been adjusted I went to about 1450 but then I began a fitness routine with running and bodyweight training so I am around 15-1600 a day. If I don't eat like that I get that hangry mood and feel like I've been ran over with no energy. Good luck to you! I am no fitness guru but friend me if you'd like and I'll support you like madness all the way
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"I just truly was trying to help. It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it."
Funny, I don't remember her asking for help. I must be wrong, though. You must need to have made over 1,000 posts to MFP to give unsolicited advice. Anyway, have a great day everyone!
What's really funny is that you've offered no advice at all and only posted to criticize another member.
I simply stepped in because she was rude to another member. Her messages to that young lady were rude with a tone of superiority and a holier-than-thou attitude. On the first page she was called small and old! Did you not read that?? Anyway, I'm done here. Good luck!0 -
It isn't for everyone. I have a fairly active job, so 1200 would not work for me. Generally those who are smaller and older are ideal for that amount.
Well. I'm not small, nor am I old, and it is working just fine. I workout 6x/week for an hour each time. Personally, I just think one needs to get used to feeling mildly hungry most of the time. *shrugs*
If you are really eating 1200 you are losing muscle and fat...no thanks.
I prefer to keep my muscle and lose at a slower rate. *shrugs*
and there is no reason to feel even "mildly hungry" most of the time...it's like you are punishing yourself for gaining weight. SMH
OP your goal should be to eat as much food as possible and still lose a reasonable amount of weight....that way you know you aren't losing as much muscle as fat....which in the long run is not a good thing.
When I start here I was at the same weight...I chose 1lb a week...got the same calorie goal as you and it was great...I ate back exercise calories, was never hungry, and I have lost 50+ lbs and have kept most of my muscle.
I was going to respond to her ridiculousness but seeing this I will just quote you again cause your answer is perfect.
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as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
I agree with pretty much everything you said!
I think people are terrified of being even mildly hungry. Willpower is a powerful tool. It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication. It's probably jealousy, IMHO. If your protein is on point, along with the strength training you mentioned, you are most certainly not losing much muscle, if any at all. Have a great day everyone!
Blehhhh. I seriously dislike when people play the jealousy card, especially amongst women as it perpetuates harmful stereotypes.
Anyway, I think @Shana67 looks pretty good in her profile photo. Am I jealous? Nope. I'm 5'3", 110 pounds, and I have visible abs and a good amount of muscle in general, so my physique is on point and I have nothing to be jealous of. Even if my physique weren't this way, my comment made about eating more wasn't made out of jealousy, it was made due to logic regarding the human body.
There is this thing about 1200 calories that has been touched on many times before, including in this thread. Everywhere you go you see 1200 calorie diets recommended for women. Do you know what happens to most women following these diets? Failure. Do you know why? Because that calorie amount is far too little for most people, especially those who live an active lifestyle. That is a recommended calorie amount for TODDLERS; it is not a normal amount for a grown woman. There is a huge difference between gross and net calories. I gross 1800 to 2000 calories per day, but I net 1200 to 1400. Most people do not know the difference, they think they must gross 1200 without eating back any exercise calories, then they end up netting 600 calories, binge, and fail. The exceptions to this are people who are older, extremely tiny, sedentary, have a lot of weight to lose/high bodyfat, or have certain medical conditions.
Do you know what would happen to me if I ate 1200 calories gross? I do, because before I knew any better that's exactly what I did. It was when I first started losing weight. I weighed 139 pounds and was losing 2.2 pounds per week on average by eating 1200 calories and not eating back exercise calories. I worked out for 30 to 60 minutes every morning, ran 5K three to four times per week, sometimes did an extra 30 minute workout in the evenings, and walked 10K+ steps daily at a rate of 4mph. I dealt with being hungry at the end of the day, I dealt with bouts of lethargy and pushed through all my workouts. Why? Because I'm strong and my willpower is awesome, so I can easily do this. No need to slow down! All my macros were on point, all my food weighed on a food scale. It took two months of that before any signs showed up. My hair was falling out and one day I couldn't even get out of bed. All I wanted to do was eat and sleep. So I came on these boards and just read all the stickies. I decided to eat more of my exercise calories. Do you know what happened then? My running times improved, my strength improved, my hair and skin improved, my insomnia was gone. I needed more food. I still lost weight. If I grossed 1200 calories now, I wouldn't have the energy to power through my hour long workouts or walk 20K+ steps per day. This is why I'm still losing weight eating 1800 to 2000 calories per day when I'm trying to maintain.
We're not jealous people; we are people who have experience and want to help others. Some people will read threads like this and ignore the warning signs from their bodies "Oh, my willpower just sucks. I have to try harder!" I'm not sure if @Shana67 weighs her food on a food scale; if she doesn't she could be eating a lot more than she thinks. I'm also not sure if she nets 1200 or grosses 1200 calories, as that makes all the difference. I'm not even sure of her activity level. All I know is that 1200 gross calories per day is not feasible for most people. End of story.16 -
"I just truly was trying to help. It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it."
Funny, I don't remember her asking for help. I must be wrong, though. You must need to have made over 1,000 posts to MFP to give unsolicited advice. Anyway, have a great day everyone!
What's really funny is that you've offered no advice at all and only posted to criticize another member.
I simply stepped in because she was rude to another member. Her messages to that young lady were rude with a tone of superiority and a holier-than-thou attitude. On the first page she was called small and old! Did you not read that?? Anyway, I'm done here. Good luck!
Um.....I think you misinterpreted. There is nothing here calling the OP small or old. Saying that 1200 is generally ideal for 2 groups of people.....it not criticizing or name calling.2 -
MichaelStenberg wrote: »MichaelStenberg wrote: »
You are a 27 year old male eating 1200 calories? Why?
Because I was a 27 year old, 5'10" at 217 at one point. I look at my family members and decided that's not the path I'd like to choose. Motivation, and I'm getting close to my goal weight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/
But even the link you gave says 1200 is not suitable for everyone - and it certainly is not suitable for 27 year old males who are almost 6 ft tall.
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paperpudding wrote: »MichaelStenberg wrote: »MichaelStenberg wrote: »
You are a 27 year old male eating 1200 calories? Why?
Because I was a 27 year old, 5'10" at 217 at one point. I look at my family members and decided that's not the path I'd like to choose. Motivation, and I'm getting close to my goal weight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/
But even the link you gave says 1200 is not suitable for everyone - and it certainly is not suitable for 27 year old males who are almost 6 ft tall.
In addition, the header for that subreddit even says "Food for SMALL bodies"...LOL. He is the antithesis of that.2 -
I’m 5’6” and currently weigh 175 lbs. I had MFP set to lose 2 lbs per week and have it set to Sedentary so that my FItBit can do its thing. That gives me the 1,200 calorie allotment too.
In truth, I also usually log somewhere around 15,000 steps/day, so I regularly get a bunch of extra calories. And I usually eat around 1,600.
Using this system, I have lost 40lbs over the last 170 days. That works out to about 1.7 lbs per week and I’m a happy girl cause I'm never hungry!
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MichaelStenberg wrote: »MichaelStenberg wrote: »
You are a 27 year old male eating 1200 calories? Why?
Because I was a 27 year old, 5'10" at 217 at one point. I look at my family members and decided that's not the path I'd like to choose. Motivation, and I'm getting close to my goal weight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/
Wanting a healthier life for yourself is admirable, but it's not a race. For the benefit of other readers, 1500 calories is considered the lowest that is safe for a man.2 -
as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
I agree with pretty much everything you said!
I think people are terrified of being even mildly hungry. Willpower is a powerful tool. It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication. It's probably jealousy, IMHO. If your protein is on point, along with the strength training you mentioned, you are most certainly not losing much muscle, if any at all. Have a great day everyone!
I have no objections to being hungry before a meal. In fact, I embrace this, as it means my hunger cues are working correctly.
However, what that poster said was "mildly hungry all day." Someone who is hungry ALL DAY is doing something wrong - as stated several times already, they are either under eating, or not eating satiating foods.7 -
Well. I'm not small, nor am I old, and it is working just fine. I workout 6x/week for an hour each time. Personally, I just think one needs to get used to feeling mildly hungry most of the time. *shrugs*
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you do what works for you. I am not going to live my life feeling "mildly hungry MOST of the time". MY life I will listen to my body signals and if I am hungry, I will eat until I am satisfied. being "mildly hungry" isn't IMHO a good lifestyle. that shouldn't be a regular occurrence.1 -
I think that MFP should try to do a better job in letting people understand their system.
Like when you choose your goal you get a pop up saying....
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You chose the option of losing 2 lbs a week which means your estimated calorie intake to lose the 2lbs is xxxx calories daily. This allotted calorie amount is WITHOUT earned calories from exercise.
If you do exercise then it is wise/healthy to eat a part of these calories back because MFP uses the NEAT system!
Keep in mind that all the provided amounts are estimations. But a tool to help you on your way to keep or reach a healthy weight!
Look here how many calories you can eat by choosing to lose 1 lbs a week
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I wish I could dig out the study where various caloric restrictions were tested and the higher the deficit the less weight people lost per calorie restricted. Of course those with lower intake lost faster, but there was a greater slowdown in BMR resulting in them losing less than their level of restriction predicted.1
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I'm 4'11" and 96lbs, so I'm pretty midgety, and it had me at 1200 for a 1/2lb loss. Then last week I changed the settings to maintenance & it put me at whopping 1300. That was kind of sad. I do earn back probably 300-500 a day though, so with that it isn't so bad. I just have to make sure to move a lot in order to eat good stuff. Sigh...
I feel your pain - I am 5ft and 98lb - I get 1500 to maintain and that is with 4-5 1 hour long bootcamps a week.0 -
Keep in mind the link given is about a disease that is very....very rare.
what are the chances that OP has this or any other rare disease?
Because 99.99% of the forum posters here that have the problem of " i tried everything and can not lose weight" is often because of too much calories IN. No deficit for whatever the reason is ( overestimated exercise calories, or thinking of eating low calorie etc etc)
Everybody can lose weight as long as there is a deficit ( body get less calories than it burns) However a disease and other circumstances can influence how fast or slow you lose.
But you CAN lose!
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as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
anybody trying to lose weight is losing muscle...me included...but with low calorie intake unless you are prefect on your protein macro etc you are losing more than you think...but won't take this any further...you believe what you want and eat how you want as it is of no consequence to me...I just truly was trying to help.
It is unfortunate that you refuse to get it.
Not actually true that everybody loses muscle when dieting.
If someone loses a large amount of weight then they will inevitably lose LBM just because they are smaller - but muscle is just one component of LBM.
I know you are trying to help and I agree with the methods you are promoting but you are exaggerating to say anybody losing weight is losing muscle.2 -
as I said if you really are eating 1200 chances are you are losing more muscle than you think.
ETA: muscle definition comes from losing the fat on the muscle not from building extra muscle.
Does it really. I had no idea =/ I am not losing muscle, and I am very strong. Not everyone is built the same, burns calories the same, has the same body. This is how I have always been.
I agree with pretty much everything you said!
I think people are terrified of being even mildly hungry. Willpower is a powerful tool. It's sad seeing people acting petty and trying to discredit you for having a strong mind and dedication. It's probably jealousy, IMHO. If your protein is on point, along with the strength training you mentioned, you are most certainly not losing much muscle, if any at all. Have a great day everyone!
No one is terrified of being mildly hungry. They are saying that you don't need to be miserable, or even mildly hungry on a regular basis, in order to be successful at losing weight and achieving fitness goals.
Do you really think that the people who are posting here, who have achieved our goals by eating more than 1200 cals, or netting more than 1200 cals, do not have willpower, dedication, a strong mind, and are jealous? I lost 30 lbs eating 1600-1900 cals and have been maintaining that for over a year. Why would I be jealous of someone who is constantly hungry and who is potentially sacrificing lean muscle mass by taking too aggressive of an approach?13
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