Ketogenic Thoughts
AbbyGary
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I really need to get my weight back under control. Thoughts on the ketogenic diet?
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I am on day 3 of the keto diet. Today I am really feeling the effects of low/no carbs. Foggy headed, irritable, little energy and a little dizzy. I read that this will pass in a few days, and to stay hydrated and replace electrolytes is key. Ironically I also read to eat fatty foods like cheeses, steak, nuts, Avacado.....I am excited for my body to transition to adjusting to no carbs! I'm hoping I get more energy back to exercise more after I am no longer in the keto flu phase! Good luck1
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I like carbs so my thoughts are "Not a chance".6
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I love beans, lentils, qunioa, and barley too much to ever go low carb. Fiber keeps me full.
A trick of mine is avoiding the junk foods. Easier than keto.
Try going a month without highly processed boxed foods, fast food, and things with added sugar.
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i'm currently doing Keto. i really, really like it. i'm a serious carb lover, but i'm on week 2 of it and i'm already seeing better results. the icky feelings WILL pass, just listen to your body and adjust accordingly.4
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Try reading "Keto Clarity" by Jimmy Moore & Eric C Westman, MD. It is probably available through a library. Or listen to one of Jimmy Moore's podcasts, such as "Keto Talk With Jimmy Moore & The Doc". I am suggesting this since every one is different and has different objectives.2
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Been running it for weeks now, just because I felt like "screw it, I hate sugar, starches and most vegetables anyway". Feels good not feeling compelled to force myself to eat that crap. For all of my micro needs, there's spinach, cauliflower, and multivitamins.
Once I upped my sodium intake, and the cloudy headed stuff went away, it's been fantastic. Besides, night before last I ate a pork loin stuffed with sausage, spinach, and mushrooms. I need high carb food for what, again?
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I follow a low carb diet and allow myself a cheat meal every once in awhile. I like it a lot because I don't find I'm missing out on anything *most* of the time. I get plenty of veggies with olive oil or butter, I can eat hamburgers, meatballs, sausages, eggs and bacon, and of course salads. I can still have ice cream as long as it's a low carb version. If I could muster the effort to make cheesecake I could make my own low carb pumpkin cheesecake
The diet doesn't feel like a diet, you won't be hungry and it's easy to follow but I definitely find myself missing/craving carbs during that TOM which is why I allow myself to have a cheat meal on some weekends. It's also the reason for my stall though so I don't recommend cheating often, especially in keto, you'll get knocked out of ketosis and no one wants that.
There's no harm in trying it for a month and see how you do, if it's too hard on you can always try something else by either upping your carbs for a bit or a different diet altogether.3 -
in my opinion you should never restrict any of the macronutrients as it's not sustainable long-term. My main reasons for eating carbohydrates are: carbs are protein sparing and as a vegetarian this is super important for me, carbohydrates are often found in the highest micronutrient dense foods, carbohydrates make me feel my best in both energy and mental health, and lastly pasta.3
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It would not be fun for me...I love beans and lentils too much and I enjoy eating fruit.3
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I tried it and it was painful! More power to you, if you like it!1
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Several posters have mentioned the need to take in additional sodium and potassium to avoid the "carb flu".
The kidneys are very good (in the absence of disease or trauma) at maintaining potassium and sodium levels as these are critical electrolytes (as low/high levels can cause coma and/or cardiac arrest). With most diets, the body is still able to regulate these to safe levels.
I think (since you asked) any diet that can put you into a critical level state unless you purposely ingest additional salt or potassium is suspect.0 -
kingrat2014 wrote: »Try reading "Keto Clarity" by Jimmy Moore & Eric C Westman, MD. It is probably available through a library. Or listen to one of Jimmy Moore's podcasts, such as "Keto Talk With Jimmy Moore & The Doc". I am suggesting this since every one is different and has different objectives.
You should definitely have a book for guidance and knowledge. The art and science of a low-carb lifestyle is really the original Ketogenic book. It a little heavy read because 2 research scientist wrote it. Keto clarity is another great choice. If you try to do it off rumor and inuindo you may be led down the wrong path.1 -
There is a low-carb support group on here that can help you.
Try the Low Carber Daily group. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
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You are right for people without insulin resistance. If you are insulin resistant eating high carbs and trying to losell weight is like peeing in the wind.6 -
walker1world wrote: »
You are right for people without insulin resistance. If you are insulin resistant eating high carbs and trying to losell weight is like peeing in the wind.
no where did OP indicate she has a medical condition....0 -
walker1world wrote: »
You are right for people without insulin resistance. If you are insulin resistant eating high carbs and trying to losell weight is like peeing in the wind.
if you have a medical condition like insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. please see a registered dietitian.
Otherwise, do not make recommendations to restrict an entire food group off of assumptions.2 -
kingrat2014 wrote: »Try reading "Keto Clarity" by Jimmy Moore & Eric C Westman, MD. It is probably available through a library. Or listen to one of Jimmy Moore's podcasts, such as "Keto Talk With Jimmy Moore & The Doc". I am suggesting this since every one is different and has different objectives.
Why would anyone take diet advice from that fat *kitten*?
2007: Jimmy gets to 248, goes on Kimkins, loses 35 or so pounds. Generates a lot of publicity, rakes in a lot of money.
2010: Jimmy gets to 280, goes on an eggfast -- nothing but eggs and coconut oil and butter for a month. He reported a partial cholesterol profile at that time. Not good.
2011: Jimmy gets to 290, goes on a beef, egg and CO "challenge" that quickly morphs to a BECO + chocolate diet.
2011: After falling off that diet he fasts for 6 days and reaches his pre-KK weight of 248. This sets him up to regain and he is up to 285 by year's end
2012: Jimmy tops 300 lbs and goes on "nutritional ketosis" experiment for one year.
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/04/jimmy-moore-low-carb-asset-or-liability.html?m=13 -
I have been doing keto ( low carb, moderate protein and high fat) for 5 months and have lost over 70 pounds. Rarely hungry between meal and no cravings
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I have PCOS, Hypothyroidism, and Insulin Resistance1
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What has your doctor recommended?1
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Do I think Keto is effective for fast weight loss? Yea. Do I think restricting your fruit intake along with healthy, nutritious carbs like sweet potatoes, oatmeal, etc. is a smart sustainable move? Not particularly.
I think people demonize processed sugar and then go from one extreme to another quite often.
"I'm addicted to sugar and donuts and sweets so I'm gonna just cut all sugar out entirely!"
Not to mention the thought of eating tons of saturated fat and oils for every meal without much fiber sounds pretty unappetizing and gross to me, but that's just my opinion.1 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »kingrat2014 wrote: »Try reading "Keto Clarity" by Jimmy Moore & Eric C Westman, MD. It is probably available through a library. Or listen to one of Jimmy Moore's podcasts, such as "Keto Talk With Jimmy Moore & The Doc". I am suggesting this since every one is different and has different objectives.
Why would anyone take diet advice from that fat *kitten*?
2007: Jimmy gets to 248, goes on Kimkins, loses 35 or so pounds. Generates a lot of publicity, rakes in a lot of money.
2010: Jimmy gets to 280, goes on an eggfast -- nothing but eggs and coconut oil and butter for a month. He reported a partial cholesterol profile at that time. Not good.
2011: Jimmy gets to 290, goes on a beef, egg and CO "challenge" that quickly morphs to a BECO + chocolate diet.
2011: After falling off that diet he fasts for 6 days and reaches his pre-KK weight of 248. This sets him up to regain and he is up to 285 by year's end
2012: Jimmy tops 300 lbs and goes on "nutritional ketosis" experiment for one year.
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/04/jimmy-moore-low-carb-asset-or-liability.html?m=1
So you discount Dr. Arain, Bryan Barksdale, Dr. D'Agostino, Dr. Davis, Jacqueline Eberstein,RN, Maria Emmerich, Richard Feinmam, PhD, Nora Gedaudas, Ben Greenfield, John Kiefer, William Lagakos, PhD, Charles Mobbs, PhD, Mary Newport, MD, FAAP, David Perlmutter, MD, FACN,ABIHM, Stephanie Person, Ron Rosdale, MD, Dr. Keith Runyan, MD, Thomas Seyfried, PhD, Franziska Spritzler, RN, Terry Wahls, MD, William Wilson, MD, Jay Wortman, MD and Dr. Eric Westman?
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Keto is just another way to keep your calories low. I did it for awhile and it was great, very easy and effective, and I felt great. But I like beer too much to do it forever.
Lots of people will say that it's not sustainable, but that depends entirely on what you like. Many people have done it consistently for years.
Like eating raw foods, I found eating a keto diet very educational. I only did it for a few months, but I learned a lot about what I like and don't like, how to prepare new dishes, and new foods that I enjoy but probably wouldn't have tried otherwise.
Living a healthy lifestyle isn't a race. There's no reason not to try new things for a month or 3 just to see how you feel about them, and how they make you feel.4 -
This is from back in 2013 for me. The ups and downs are using CICO (calories in/calories out) and exercise. The current down is low carb high fat with very little exercise, I am in keto. You can see how rapid the weightloss is in keto for me. Do your research, especially when it comes to the low carb flu. There is also a low carb group you can join that has a helpful community.4 -
kingrat2014 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »kingrat2014 wrote: »Try reading "Keto Clarity" by Jimmy Moore & Eric C Westman, MD. It is probably available through a library. Or listen to one of Jimmy Moore's podcasts, such as "Keto Talk With Jimmy Moore & The Doc". I am suggesting this since every one is different and has different objectives.
Why would anyone take diet advice from that fat *kitten*?
2007: Jimmy gets to 248, goes on Kimkins, loses 35 or so pounds. Generates a lot of publicity, rakes in a lot of money.
2010: Jimmy gets to 280, goes on an eggfast -- nothing but eggs and coconut oil and butter for a month. He reported a partial cholesterol profile at that time. Not good.
2011: Jimmy gets to 290, goes on a beef, egg and CO "challenge" that quickly morphs to a BECO + chocolate diet.
2011: After falling off that diet he fasts for 6 days and reaches his pre-KK weight of 248. This sets him up to regain and he is up to 285 by year's end
2012: Jimmy tops 300 lbs and goes on "nutritional ketosis" experiment for one year.
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/04/jimmy-moore-low-carb-asset-or-liability.html?m=1
So you discount Dr. Arain, Bryan Barksdale, Dr. D'Agostino, Dr. Davis, Jacqueline Eberstein,RN, Maria Emmerich, Richard Feinmam, PhD, Nora Gedaudas, Ben Greenfield, John Kiefer, William Lagakos, PhD, Charles Mobbs, PhD, Mary Newport, MD, FAAP, David Perlmutter, MD, FACN,ABIHM, Stephanie Person, Ron Rosdale, MD, Dr. Keith Runyan, MD, Thomas Seyfried, PhD, Franziska Spritzler, RN, Terry Wahls, MD, William Wilson, MD, Jay Wortman, MD and Dr. Eric Westman?
Yes, yes I do. As does the majority of the scientific community
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KetoneKaren wrote: »What has your doctor recommended?
I have pcos, an insulin resistant and have low vitamin d. I went to a dietician a couple years ago (stopped going once the instance wouldn't pay anymore) and am doing what we discussed then. It is low carb but not Keto low.
I would recommend you go see a dietician.1 -
Yeah I think getting advice from a doctor would be a good idea here since you are depriving your body of carbs and forcing it to rely on processing proteins and fats for energy. It may work for you, but you'd have to be sure you get all your nutrients I suppose. I don't know if it's an effective way to lose weight itself or if participants lose weight due to less calorie consumption. In the end... We need carbs! So it is short term.0
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nikkijune18 wrote: »Yeah I think getting advice from a doctor would be a good idea here since you are depriving your body of carbs and forcing it to rely on processing proteins and fats for energy. It may work for you, but you'd have to be sure you get all your nutrients I suppose. I don't know if it's an effective way to lose weight itself or if participants lose weight due to less calorie consumption. In the end... We need carbs! So it is short term.
Nah, you don't have any minimum requirements for dietary carbs. What little glucose your body needs can easily be created by your liver.
I've been keto about 13 months. Well, maybe 12 since I've been in and out of it lately... My liver is making too much glucose.
Anyways, I also have insulin resistance and found that keto can help BG almost immediately, even without weight loss. It gave me energy (although I was low the first couple of weeks), helped with autoimmune issues (sugar can be inflammatory), improved cognition, and helped reduce my appetite making weight loss much easier than it has ever been.
Come join the Low Carber Daily group liked earlier. There are a number of us with IR and PCOS. They are a supportive and helpful bunch.1
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