Fitness/activity trackers
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you are correct the numbers speak for themselves.
Fitbit 6 active minutes for 45mins of snow shovelling
Jawbone 38 active minutes for 45 mins of snow shovelling
Jawbone isn't throwing in the towel on Fitness trackers.
http://www.wired.com/2015/04/jawbone-up4/
http://www.wareable.com/fitness-trackers/the-best-fitness-tracker where Jawbone nailed 3 of the "best" types...
I think Jawbone is doing just fine.
I am not saying fitbit is not a decent tracker...but in my experience not as good as Jawbone and others.
I can't speak to your SINGLE instance of how Fitbit interpreted your snow shoveling. I don't think the engineers at fitbit sat around a table thinking "..what can we do to make sure the fine people who shovel snow in their driveways are being accurately represented by their fitness band?" I mean, hey, congratulations, your jawbone is great at detecting snow shoveling activity while my fitbit thinks i'm riding a bike when I'm actually mowing my lawn.
If you think that's what makes a fitness band "better" than another, then you're really not aiming high enough.
Again, the problem has nothing to do with the tracker itself. You can EASILY find a more accurate and long-lasting feature rich tracker than a fitbit. The problem is the *software* you have to load on your phone/tablet/pc. That's the part that sucks, and the part that Fitbit absolutely got "more right" than anyone else.
Also, I don't think Jawbone is doing fine. I think they are struggling, or the industry rumors about them shopping for buyers of their existing inventories and other business wouldn't be posted just about everywhere. Do a google search for "Jawbone discontinued" and you'll see plenty of articles about how "fine" they are doing. I'm sure Jawbone isn't alone in this. Fitbit, all incidents of SnowShovelGate besides, is absolutely killing their competition in this field, whether you want to agree with the numbers or not. And this isn't likely to change until another competitor decides to hire some better software developers.
Seriously, I want a competitor to actually compete against fitbit instead of this "there's fitbit and then there's everything else" situation we're living in now. Competition is what drives innovation and lowers prices, and we could all use a little of that.
The snow shovelling was the final straw actually....I wore the two together for months...and the fitbit always under reported.
As for the apps...I like the jawbone app just fine...the fitbit app is good too...apps are apps.
and I did google and here was the rebuttal
"Update, 5/31/16, 3PM ET: Despite offering us a "no comment" last week, Jawbone has now refuted last week's report. "Speculation that Jawbone is exiting the wearables business or going out of business altogether is false," the company said in a statement. "Jawbone remains wholly committed to innovating in and building great wearables products. The company has never been more excited about its pipeline of technology and products and looks forward to sharing them when ready."
https://www.engadget.com/2016/05/27/jawbone-up-fitness-trackers-discontinued-rumor/0 -
Garmin VivoActive here. I enjoy it. That being said I have lots of Garmin stuff as that's what I prefer. I enjoy the interface.0
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There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology
From personal experience after spending $150 on a Fitbit Charge HR and successfully getting it refunded, I'm going to say that reason is because the HRM does not work reliably and is unfit for its purpose. It was no better than rolling dice to see what your pulse is during exercise. It's really not a conspiracy.0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology
From personal experience after spending $150 on a Fitbit Charge HR and successfully getting it refunded, I'm going to say that reason is because the HRM does not work reliably and is unfit for its purpose. It was no better than rolling dice to see what your pulse is during exercise. It's really not a conspiracy.
The jury is still out. Give 'em their day in court. They already have consumer reports on their side, and they retested after news of the suit (to the same positive result).
Conspiracy or not, I trust consumer reports. Not some study funded by lawyers.0 -
Regardless of what somebody at a magazine thinks, I know from experience that the Charge HR is worthless as an HRM. Step counting seemed fine but the heart rate function was so disappointing it had no value. We replaced it with a simple chest strap and have no more problems. The chest strap cost a little less than 1/3 the Fitbit's price.0
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In the fitness tracker world, there's fitbit, then there's everything else.
This is the only thing Fitbit does do right. Advertising.
As far as the number speak for themselves. McDonald's sells more burgers than anyone else. Does that make the the best burgers. Budweiser sells more beer than anyone else. Does that make them better than anyone else?
That's a resounding NO .
Fitbit does a fantastic job at advertising and targeting people who think they need that said fitness tracker.But you're 100% correct. Personally, I think the fitbit "ecosystem" is the most complete - despite their devices NOT being the best in class. You can find a better Garmin wrist-based tracker than a Fitbit Surge or Blaze. You can find a better Withings scale than a Fitbit Aria. You can get way more accurate heart rate tracking with something that uses a chest strap. But none of those devices tie everything together as nicely as fitbit's own software, and that's the reason I think fitbit is so successful.
My Garmin 520, Forefunner 220, and VivoActive HR all play nicely with every app I could want them to. They sync two ways with MyFitnessPal. They sync two ways with Strava and TrainingPeaks. At the moment Fitbit doesn't directly sync with Training Peaks, nor does it sync with RideWithGPS. Two sites that cyclist kind of rely on. So in your own words. I hope Fitbit gets their act together and starts putting efforts into syncing with sites people use, rather that spend money advertising during Soccer mom shows.....2 -
Garmin Forerunner 220. 0 complaints! Been going for 7 months. Excellent, solid product. Used chest strap HR but I rarely use this.1
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I have a Misfit Flash. I've had it since October and have been really happy with it. I got it because of the price. Mine was priced under $30. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on something that might have ended up on a drawer once the novelty wore off. It's not fancy but it does what I need it to do which is track my general activity and gives me a goal to work for.0
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NorthCascades wrote: »There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology
From personal experience after spending $150 on a Fitbit Charge HR and successfully getting it refunded, I'm going to say that reason is because the HRM does not work reliably and is unfit for its purpose. It was no better than rolling dice to see what your pulse is during exercise. It's really not a conspiracy.
The jury is still out. Give 'em their day in court. They already have consumer reports on their side, and they retested after news of the suit (to the same positive result).
Conspiracy or not, I trust consumer reports. Not some study funded by lawyers.
what about the study done at Ball state university in Indiana which showed it was off by 14%...that was an independent study.
I don't agree with the lawsuit...why because most active people know HRM with a chest strap is the only way to go and that is only for steady state cardio....but Fitbit shouldn't be advertising their HRM is "amazing" and provides good data when it doesn't.1 -
what about the study done at Ball state university in Indiana which showed it was off by 14%...that was an independent study.
I don't agree with the lawsuit...why because most active people know HRM with a chest strap is the only way to go and that is only for steady state cardio....but Fitbit shouldn't be advertising their HRM is "amazing" and provides good data when it doesn't.
I'm curious to know if that's why Fitbit doesn't allow their products to connect to ANT+ HRMs to people cannot see how off they are.1 -
what about the study done at Ball state university in Indiana which showed it was off by 14%...that was an independent study.
I don't agree with the lawsuit...why because most active people know HRM with a chest strap is the only way to go and that is only for steady state cardio....but Fitbit shouldn't be advertising their HRM is "amazing" and provides good data when it doesn't.
I'm curious to know if that's why Fitbit doesn't allow their products to connect to ANT+ HRMs to people cannot see how off they are.
Good question...
interesting comparison here tho of Jawbone vs Fitbit
http://www.wareable.com/jawbone/jawbone-up3-v-fitbit-charge-hr-best-fitness-tracker-2015
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Good question...
interesting comparison here tho of Jawbone vs Fitbit
http://www.wareable.com/jawbone/jawbone-up3-v-fitbit-charge-hr-best-fitness-tracker-2015
I looked heavily into the Jawbone line before I settled with Garmin. I wanted something that would pair well a GPS running Watch and/or GPS cycling computer. Jawbones lack there of is the only reason I didn't go that route. I even tested my VivoActive HR against my Forerunner 220 with a Wahoo Fitness chest mounted HRM and found it only off a beat, at most 2 beats, across the range of me walking, cycling, or doing stairs climbs.1 -
I had a Fitbit (the one that was recalled) and never had a problem with it. I was going to just keep but decided against it because the apps wouldn't support it after some time. Never did return it as my puppy chewed it and broke it.
I did purchase an Atlas Wearable which was working OK but just didn't quite track my exercises and lifts correctly. Close but nothe close enough. Had some problems with the watch UI and the app so it sits in a drawer. They just released a new firmware and UI with teaching mode so I might try again.
I think as long as you understand that teachers are inherently limited and you know where yours is weak and strong then use it.
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In the fitness tracker world, there's fitbit, then there's everything else.
I think it's fair to say that, at the simple step tracker end of the market, FitBit certainly have greatest market penetration, and a very loyal user base. When people recommend them on here it's very clear that they're motivated by the more developed social aspects and the fairly simple challenges.Is not that other fitness trackers are bad, in fact it wouldn't take you long to find a tracker that lasts longer, has more features and is cheaper than a fitbit. It's just that most of their *software* is way undercooked. Fitbit took the time to make their ecosystem a complete one, and gave almost everyone under the sun the ability to contribute and share data with it (with varying degrees of success, mind you).
Again it depends on where in the market one is operating. Given the relatively simple dataset, and lack of sports tracking features having a shiny front end doesn't generate much interest for many.There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology (which is NOT exclusive to fitbit, yet they are the only ones named in the lawsuit). They want to knock fitbit down a few notches because they are absolutely destroying their competitors.
Black helicopters delivered the paperworsk didn't they?
It would be useful to consider their place in the wider market given so many sports devices now include the low end FitBit functionality alongside functionality that provides a much wider dataset.
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Fitbit has a larger market share but that doesn't make them the best on the market.
I'm a big Garmin fan. I started with the Vivofit, nice affordable entry level watch, no charging and pairs with a chest strap for tracking. Now I have the Vivoactive and I love it even more. Same chest strap and great downloadable apps that are activity specific, GymTimer being my favourite. They've had the odd hiccup but that's because they're actively trying to improve the product and it's never been more than a minor annoyance.
I'm not a fan of the wrist read HR devices, I'm just not happy with the comparative reviews done on their accuracy so I'm good with using a chest strap. I don't need to know what my heart rate is when I'm lying in bed anyway!0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology
From personal experience after spending $150 on a Fitbit Charge HR and successfully getting it refunded, I'm going to say that reason is because the HRM does not work reliably and is unfit for its purpose. It was no better than rolling dice to see what your pulse is during exercise. It's really not a conspiracy.
I'm a fitbit lover, and still would never bother with a fitbit HR ..
Chest strap maaaybe, but wouldn't bother with a wrist worn HR monitor device.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology
From personal experience after spending $150 on a Fitbit Charge HR and successfully getting it refunded, I'm going to say that reason is because the HRM does not work reliably and is unfit for its purpose. It was no better than rolling dice to see what your pulse is during exercise. It's really not a conspiracy.
I'm a fitbit lover, and still would never bother with a fitbit HR ..
Chest strap maaaybe, but wouldn't bother with a wrist worn HR monitor device.
Chest mounted straps are more fluid and accurate in their reading. Plus, as far as i know, Fitbit units do not have an optional setting to broadcast their HRM readings to a nearby GPS running watch or Cycling computer.0 -
Do you use your Fitbit or MPF app to daily food tracker0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Chest strap maaaybe, but wouldn't bother with a wrist worn HR monitor device.
Swings and roundabouts really. The slightly higher accuracy for a chest strap is of negligible importance for most people, it only really comes into play if you're using a very sophisticated head end like a Fenix3 or the current generation of Forerunners.
I do have some practical issues with the optical HR implementations, in winter if it's able to read HR it's under a base layer so one can't see the screen, and similarly if cycling it's on the wrist so one can't see it.
I've currently got a VivoSmart HR, which helps mitigate those points. It'll breadcast HR using ANT+, so compatible devices can take the data and weave it in. From a very practical perspective that means on my morning commute I can just tell the VivoSmart to broadcast, collect the data on my Edge 520 and as soon as I get to the office it'll synch the ride over bluetooth. Fewer bits of kit to worry about. My only real criticism is the collection rate is lower.
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bagofmoney wrote: »How accurate are the "calories burned" on the FitBits? I have a FitBit Zip and make sure I wear it when I volunteer at the hospital. When I walk about 3 miles, it says I've burned, roughly, 1000 calories. But I just saw a post of someone who ran 3.5 miles outside and burned 500 calories. Which is more accurate?
A Fitbit gives you your total energy burn (TDEE = BMR + exercise + daily activities). When it says you burned 1,000 calories, it means you burned 1,000 calories of TDEE for the whole day. Fitbits are activity trackers, aka glorified pedometers. They aren't HRMs or built to separate BMR calories from exercise calories.
This is why I have my activity level set at sedentary on mfp, my fitbit (flex) is set at normal sensitivity and on my dominant hand, but I actually wear it on my non dominant one....all of these settings seems to make it more accurate for me.0 -
I used to have a Mio Fuse, it was a step counter and wrist based heart monitor. It broadcast over ANT+ and Bluetooth so you could collect the data with your phone, or with a Garmin. It had some issues but generally worked well as an HRM, even from the wrist.
I have a Fenix 3 HR, with a wrist based HR sensor, but also two chest straps. The wrist sensor comes into play on lunch walks because I don't keep a chest strap at work, and occasionally when I forget to put one on. It works ok, but not as well as the Mio. Also stuff like recovery time is less reliable without a chest strap.
Fitbit's wrist HRM worked fine on the couch but it was all over the place on the trail. She wore it tight, and a few inches up from where you'd put a watch, where it needs to be for best results.0 -
Can anyone tell my how to transfer my steps to mfp and my calories to my Garmin having problems x0
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audrabamford1 wrote: »Can anyone tell my how to transfer my steps to mfp and my calories to my Garmin having problems x
What have you tried? When I first started I had a VSHR (don't recommend it, software is buggy) and from the Garmin Connect app is how I found this place. it walked me through creating and linking the two pretty easily. It was just on the calories in/out tab in GC. When I upgraded to a VivoActive HR (much better IMHO), the connection was still there.
As to accuracy, I have a Polar H7 that I wear on the treadmill daily. I compare what it gives for a calorie burn to what gets pushed through to MFP from my VAHR. It has consistently been with 10 calories, or less than 5% different. So I just rely on the VAHR for other activites.0 -
In the fitness tracker world, there's fitbit, then there's everything else.
Is not that other fitness trackers are bad, in fact it wouldn't take you long to find a tracker that lasts longer, has more features and is cheaper than a fitbit. It's just that most of their *software* is way undercooked. Fitbit took the time to make their ecosystem a complete one, and gave almost everyone under the sun the ability to contribute and share data with it (with varying degrees of success, mind you).
There's a REASON a bunch of lawyers funded a study with the sole purpose of generating a lawsuit against fitbit's heart rate technology (which is NOT exclusive to fitbit, yet they are the only ones named in the lawsuit). They want to knock fitbit down a few notches because they are absolutely destroying their competitors.
Fitbit trackers are the trackers by which all others are judged, and it's not just because of marketing hype. More sophisticated and accurate trackers exist, but people love the fitbit software even if it doesn't cater to the most hardcore fitness enthusiast. If every other fitness tracker adopted the same software goals for their own trackers, the industry world look very, very different.
Except FitBit completely lacks the at the one thing that is most important to me - built-in GPS. Phone-based gps is piss-poor at pacing and completely worthless if your workouts take place in areas that have poor or existent cellular coverage. No amount of "ecosystem" can make up for that.1 -
I have
Garmin Vivoactive
Misfit Shine
Jawbone 3
Each has a niche and a purpose.
The Shine is most accurate for sleep and general activity(and it's a nifty watch in a pinch)
Vivoactive has GPS and Syncs with my Wahoo Chest strap
Jawbone 3 does a fair job with sleep, but I like having the HRM.
Why not a Vivoactive HR.
Well-- the Shine was $20(clearance target)
Vivoactive--$100(Clearance Amazon Refurb )
Jawbone--$22(Clearance)
I like being able to have one on each wrist to play off each other and keep them honest.
As far as fitbit. They're a newcomer to the market and Garmin has been making fitness trackers(and I've been using Garmin) for 15+ years. If there is a mistake to be made, they've made it and fixed it.0 -
Fitbit have great customer service, did you contact them about your busted device?0
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I used the Apple Watch 1 and now the series two. Both great trackers0
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I use a Flex 2 as an activity tracker after using my Flex for 2 years. The first Flex I purchased wouldn't hold a charge after a year and Fitbit customer service sent me a replacement with no issues (which I gave to my son). I upgraded to the Flex 2 for the additional features and waterproofiness.
For HRM I picked up a Polar H7. Great chest HRM and very accurate. The data is linked to your smartphone and I've been using Polar's data for years. You can export this to excel for additional analysis.0
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