Healthy milk substitutes?
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cashew milk
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If you want milk. Go with FairLife, it is ultra filtered (and lactose free) but expensive. If you don't want animal products, soy and rice milk are fine (better if you get unsweetened). There is no definition for "clean eating" but most people think it is eating as whole as food (without additives, ect) as possible.
You have to ask yourself what clean eating is for you.
That being said I lost 100 lbs just counting calories. There where days where I would eat a half cup of skittles, but still lost weight because I built it into my calories count. I don't suggest this, but it is possible. You will feel better, fuller and be healthier if you do clean eating.0 -
rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
I eat at a calorie deficit. That means I measure all solid foods (including grated and ground) using a digital kitchen scale measuring in grams, and liquids with volume measures (in my case using milliliters). I make sure the database numbers match up as well since there are entries are a regional and would not match with the numbers of the same food in my area. Doing this I have lost about 10Kg (22 pounds) simply reducing how much I eat. I still go to McDonalds, I just don't have fries since they have too many calories and go with diet soda.
If one counts calories eaten carefully, the type of food one eats doesn't matter in terms of losing weight. Where is may help or hurt is in terms of feeling full longer or shorter, or in terms of satisfaction with the food a person eats. I tend to eat slightly more protein and fat because they keep me full longer where I can eat a huge amount of veggies and be full and an hour later I can eat just as much of those veggies again. That is a personal preference thing to help me stick with my calorie goal, but the weight loss is from sticking to my calories.0 -
If you want milk. Go with FairLife, it is ultra filtered (and lactose free) but expensive. If you don't want animal products, soy and rice milk are fine (better if you get unsweetened). There is no definition for "clean eating" but most people think it is eating as whole as food (without additives, ect) as possible.
Typically boxed soy milk or rice milk wouldn't be "clean" and neither would Fairlife milk. All of those are quite processed. Not that "clean eating" really means anything.
I don't drink milk, but I'd personally choose regular old milk (I grew up on 2%, but I like whole and skim also) over Fairlife. https://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelysanders/fairlife-milk-taste-test?utm_term=.dj1qEOe2r#.sqdXQYlVa
I have nothing against lactose personally, however.You will feel better, fuller and be healthier if you do clean eating.
Unlikely. I find a lot of processed foods (like dairy, including plain greek yogurt and cottage cheese, smoked salmon, and dried pasta, to name just a few) are either helpful in meeting goals like protein or form an easy and quick base for a healthy meal with lots of vegetables and lean protein. Not sure why this would make me less healthy. For that matter, not sure why including a half cup of ice cream in an overall nutrient-dense, balanced day would make me less healthy. It (for me) makes my diet more enjoyable, and so one I'd be more likely to stick to consistently. I also don't see why something like including gels if doing endurance sports would make one less healthy. And as you note, you can eat a more varied diet like this and lose weight quite easily, as well as meeting nutrient goals.0 -
You will feel better, fuller and be healthier if you do clean eating.
I don't. For that matter, when I tried 'clean" eating I was always dissatisfied. I constantly felt deprived. When I finally hit the wall (after losing 75 pounds or so, I completely binged on all the stuff I loved and put most of that weight back on. Now I eat what love, but in smaller amounts, and the weight comes off just fine. Not only that, I feel plenty full. Fuller is a very personal thing. As to healthier, that seems to have more to do, at least with otherwise healthy people, with consuming an appropriate number of calories. Things like the twinkie diet show that health markers, even in one's blood work, improve even eating mainly twinkies. Long term health would be from sufficient vitamins and minerals, and frankly, those are fairly easy to get with a somewhat varied diet.2 -
rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
Buy non-fat milk. Most stores have milk sold with different colored boxes or caps, so once you know your preferred color, you're good to go every time.
Milk isn't a health requirement, though. You could cut it from your diet and be entirely healthy if you wanted to.0 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »No, 200 calories of anything = 200 calories of anything, as far as weight loss goes. I do not label any foods as bad. The difference between fries and vegetables is a difference in nutrition - more fat in the fries, more fiber in the vegetables, etc. If either fits into your calorie allowance, either is fine, depending on your nutritional goals. If I were low in fat for the day and had already met my fiber/vitamin/whatever allowance, I say eat the fries.
oh i see so it only matters if you burn more then you eat? right?0 -
I drink soymilk on the rare occasion I have cereal. Otherwise I don't bother.0
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rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
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geneticsteacher wrote: »No, 200 calories of anything = 200 calories of anything, as far as weight loss goes. I do not label any foods as bad. The difference between fries and vegetables is a difference in nutrition - more fat in the fries, more fiber in the vegetables, etc. If either fits into your calorie allowance, either is fine, depending on your nutritional goals. If I were low in fat for the day and had already met my fiber/vitamin/whatever allowance, I say eat the fries.
oh i see so it only matters if you burn more then you eat? right?
EXACTLY THIS....but try and get a balanced diet moat of the time.0 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
Or you eat at a moderate deficit. Easy peasy, no starvation, no "low calorie crap." (I eat lots of lower cal foods, but I wouldn't call vegetables "low calorie crap,")2 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
60lb down eating full fat dirty crap.....3 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
I'm guessing a diet full of non-organic and GMO vegetables, non-organic dairy, meat and eggs, regular peanut butter, store bought bread, protein bars and powders, dried pasta, canned pasta sauce, boxed curries, and the like wouldn't qualify as "clean." Funny how I lose weight anyway.1 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
I'm guessing a diet full of non-organic and GMO vegetables, non-organic dairy, meat and eggs, regular peanut butter, store bought bread, protein bars and powders, dried pasta, canned pasta sauce, boxed curries, and the like wouldn't qualify as "clean." Funny how I lose weight anyway.
I talking more about crash diets like slimfast and special k and those little 100 calorie packs of like 2 Oreos lol
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redraidergirl2009 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
I'm guessing a diet full of non-organic and GMO vegetables, non-organic dairy, meat and eggs, regular peanut butter, store bought bread, protein bars and powders, dried pasta, canned pasta sauce, boxed curries, and the like wouldn't qualify as "clean." Funny how I lose weight anyway.
I talking more about crash diets like slimfast and special k and those little 100 calorie packs of like 2 Oreos lol
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Easy. Food is food. A calorie is a calorie. I've lost 90lbs including so called 'unhealthy' 'unclean' 'baaaaaad' foods. Their information is crap. Don't believe random youtubers, believe those who have the education, experience or both. @xMiracat The only way anyone can gain weight is if they eat more than their maintenance calories, not by the type of food. If you don't believe me, read up on the man who ate nothing but twinkies and lost weight.rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
I don't, either. I used to eat a so-called clean vegetarian diet. I was 260lbs and unhealthy. Now I eat nutritious and 'junk' food, am 90lbs down with perfect blood panels. I feel happy, I don't stress about food, and I don't obsess about food.but it You will feel better, fuller and be healthier if you do clean eating.redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
Um, nah... I don't starve!
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redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
I don't do either of those things. I don't starve, unless I eat a lot of veggies, then I always feel like I am starving, and I never eat low calorie crap. I do however enjoy eating pretty much whatever I want including fast food. I just need to make the appropriate decisions to fit it in my daily calories.0 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »SoDamnHungry wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »What is unhealthy about milk?
So you could try rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, and the list likely goes on. All of them are just attempts to simulate milk, nothing is intrinsically healthier about them although they tend to be lower calorie.
Some people told me that regular dairy milk is high in fat and calories so if I substitute milk with soy or coconut milk instead they say I'm saving my calories and my fat content
I suggest you look at the nutrition label instead of listening to what "some people" tell you. Compare regular and skim with optional substitutes, and see which fits better into your diet. And take into account what you actually like, because sometimes a few extra calories is worth it.
Is regular milk considered ''unclean''? or processed? I'm trying to go for a clean diet overall
It is milk. The only processing is pasteurization and skimming off the cream to get the various fat percentages. I would consider it clean, but then I don't eat clean and have no intention of doing so.
may i ask how do you lose weight without eating clean?? Research I've done from trainers and youtube videos etc. they all say you will not lose weight unless you eat clean.
It's easy to lose weight not eating clean. You just starve yourself or eat low calorie crap.
Speak for yourself.0 -
I didn't read everything because this is really long but you need to look at your overall diet not one item of food/drink. If you like milk drink it. Just balance it out with lean meats, veggies, fruits, whole grains. I don't drink milk because I don't really like it but I eat what I like.0
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I roll with Silk Unsweetened Almond Milk. Not because of some assumption that there's something wrong with dairy milk (I eat the hell out of some cheese), but because I can't stand the snotty feeling that milk leaves in the mouth and throat.0 -
Try cashew milk! I haven't tried it so I don't know if it's good, but it's a lot lower in calories than coconut milk is. I'm pretty sure it's even lower in calories than almond milk, or around the same.
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No it doesn'tKnightride48 wrote: »Soy milk is good but I heard it can increase dementia chance in females as long as and also increase your estrogen levels as well.
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minniemoo1972 wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »No, 200 calories of anything = 200 calories of anything, as far as weight loss goes. I do not label any foods as bad. The difference between fries and vegetables is a difference in nutrition - more fat in the fries, more fiber in the vegetables, etc. If either fits into your calorie allowance, either is fine, depending on your nutritional goals. If I were low in fat for the day and had already met my fiber/vitamin/whatever allowance, I say eat the fries.
oh i see so it only matters if you burn more then you eat? right?
EXACTLY THIS....but try and get a balanced diet moat of the time.
oh I didnt know you could do it that way, I thought you had to eat nothing but veggies, fruits, and lean meats0 -
I don't know where you live, but in Texas we have a grocery chain called HEB. They make a Fairlife like milk that is ultra filtered, lactose free, low sugar called Mootopia. It has 90cal per cup in the fat free and 12g protein. And it tastes better than Fairlife. I love it.0
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minniemoo1972 wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »No, 200 calories of anything = 200 calories of anything, as far as weight loss goes. I do not label any foods as bad. The difference between fries and vegetables is a difference in nutrition - more fat in the fries, more fiber in the vegetables, etc. If either fits into your calorie allowance, either is fine, depending on your nutritional goals. If I were low in fat for the day and had already met my fiber/vitamin/whatever allowance, I say eat the fries.
oh i see so it only matters if you burn more then you eat? right?
EXACTLY THIS....but try and get a balanced diet moat of the time.
oh I didnt know you could do it that way, I thought you had to eat nothing but veggies, fruits, and lean meats
No not at all.....lean meats and veggies are great and will give you a lot of nutrition but don't forget the other foods you liked to eat. ...if it fits in your calories and you fancy it them go ahead and eat it.....im 58lb down and will still eat chocolate,chips,takeaway I just make it fit in.0 -
minniemoo1972 wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »No, 200 calories of anything = 200 calories of anything, as far as weight loss goes. I do not label any foods as bad. The difference between fries and vegetables is a difference in nutrition - more fat in the fries, more fiber in the vegetables, etc. If either fits into your calorie allowance, either is fine, depending on your nutritional goals. If I were low in fat for the day and had already met my fiber/vitamin/whatever allowance, I say eat the fries.
oh i see so it only matters if you burn more then you eat? right?
EXACTLY THIS....but try and get a balanced diet moat of the time.
oh I didnt know you could do it that way, I thought you had to eat nothing but veggies, fruits, and lean meats
Yes you could. I'm down more than 90 lb and if you look at my diary I had instant noodles 3 days in a row, had ice cream last saturday and chocolate right before that in addition to lots of very sugary fruits like dates. I'm actually planning to go buy a serving of chips and maybe a 2 finger kitkat in a bit.
I do drink 1.5% milk because it's lower in calories, but not skim because I find reduced fat tastes better. I'm not hungry either. I just eat the foods that I like and fill me up and never force myself to eat foods I don't like just because they are lower in calories (you won't catch me drinking almond milk straight for example, it's vile unless it's added to something that masks the taste).0 -
Knightride48 wrote: »Soy milk is good but I heard it can increase dementia chance in females as long as and also increase your estrogen levels as well.
Yes soy has photo estrogen. In women it replaces the estrogen that we naturally produce and lowers our estrogen levels. In men it increases their estrogen so ... man boobs. Not sure about the dementia part though.
I drink unsweetened almond milk but I am lactose intolerant.0 -
Here is a good summary of some of the effects of soy:
"As with many other compounds, like alcohol or caffeine, there are many pros and cons associated with moderate soy intake. Consumers should be aware that soy contains endocrine disrupting compounds and make dietary choices accordingly. For a typical consumer, alarm over soy products is likely unnecessary but so is the belief that a soy-rich diet will alleviate all ills. Women who are pregnant, nursing, or attempting to become pregnant should use soy foods with caution and be aware that soy formula may not be the best option for their babies. Older individuals, especially those with high cholesterol, may experience modest benefits including improved bone and cardiovascular health, and perhaps a decreased risk of carcinogenesis. Moderation is likely key and the incorporation of real foods, as opposed to supplements or processed foods to which soy protein is added, is probably essential for maximizing health benefits. Finally, the relative importance of the soy protein itself, compared to the isoflavones, on health outcomes such as lipid levels, reduced risk of carcinogenesis, and fracture risk must be resolved. If something other than the isoflavone phytoestrogens is producing the mild but measurable health benefits of soy foods, this would considerably help shape the development of dietary guidelines for both adults and children."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/1 -
Califa coconut almond milk is wonderful. Kroger/City Market/King Soopers carry it.0
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