Rippetoe's Fundamental Flaw
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And yet, no one has addressed the hilarious truncation of his screen name on the MFP forum.
It was funnier before the mods made me change it yesterday. Used to be luscious_cocktail.Except it often doesn't.
Only the people who already know what's up really notice competence. GI3 and JJ would not have started a virtual revolution in diving if not for GI3's attitude and volume, despite their unquestionable competence and achievement.
The other side of the coin is that GI3 and JJ probably would not have accomplished what they accomplished without GI3's attitude and dogmatism.
This is an unprovable but interesting question. How many great minds were overlooked because they refused to make spectacles of themselves? How many relatively mediocre minds achieved spokesperson status because they were audacious? Hard to say.
If this entire discourse could be boiled down, I believe his asides substantially detract from his message - and I believe that you think his message would be lost without that audacity.
I can appreciate that as a fundamental disagreement on two valid possibilities.0 -
It was funnier before the mods made me change it yesterday. Used to be luscious_cocktail.
They did? I'm disappointed. I was all inspired to try and come up with something clever myself.0 -
And yet, no one has addressed the hilarious truncation of his screen name on the MFP forum.
It was funnier before the mods made me change it yesterday. Used to be luscious_cocktail.Except it often doesn't.
Only the people who already know what's up really notice competence. GI3 and JJ would not have started a virtual revolution in diving if not for GI3's attitude and volume, despite their unquestionable competence and achievement.
The other side of the coin is that GI3 and JJ probably would not have accomplished what they accomplished without GI3's attitude and dogmatism.
This is an unprovable but interesting question. How many great minds were overlooked because they refused to make spectacles of themselves? How many relatively mediocre minds achieved spokesperson status because they were audacious? Hard to say.
If this entire discourse could be boiled down, I believe his asides substantially detract from his message - and I believe that you think his message would be lost without that audacity.
I can appreciate that as a fundamental disagreement on two valid possibilities.
Edison v Tesla comes to mind.0 -
Edison v Tesla comes to mind.
Bat**** crazy brilliant inventor versus brilliant businessman and shameless self-promoter. Tesla was pretty freakin' audacious himself but I think that principally his craziness is what left him destitute in the end.0 -
Edison v Tesla comes to mind.
Bat**** crazy brilliant inventor versus brilliant businessman and shameless self-promoter. Tesla was pretty freakin' audacious himself but I think that principally his craziness is what left him destitute in the end.
It's just something that came to my mind. Not completely applicable but worth thinking about.
Even great ideas rarely get very far without someone promoting them. Particularly if they run contrary to accepted wisdom.0 -
OP--thanks for protecting us from bad old Rippetoe, but as a woman reading his book, I never felt insulted or neglected or patronized.
Yes, I noticed the macho line about gloves, but it made me laugh when I read it. I appreciated, however, that he adjusted his advice for female anatomy where appropriate, and that he uses pictures of a female model just about as often as a male. I frankly felt more patronized (and pandered to) by the authors of The New Rules of Lifting for Women.
In case you are wondering whether I just don't know any better, I might mention that I am a professional woman with a fairly nuanced appreciation of feminist issues.0 -
Eh, I could careless about his personal opinions............................I'm more interested in his exercise philosophy.
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But imagine how much more fit you would be if matched your bag to your gloves. Bro, do you even accessorize?0 -
Eh, I could careless about his personal opinions............................I'm more interested in his exercise philosophy.
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But imagine how much more fit you would be if matched your bag to your gloves. Bro, do you even accessorize?
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Yo, I'm gonna let you finish, but gloves do weaken your grip. Aight? Aight.0
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I'm pretty sure once you pass the age of 15 no ones comments should hurt your feelings anymore, regardless of what they are, unless it's someone very close to you intending to hurt you. People need to get some thicker skin and let the stuff they consider to be BS roll off their backs.0
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Funny because I thought his biggest flaw was his complete unwilling to take on board anything that's happening in exercise science over the last 10 years and resorting to telling anyone who offers an alternative to his methods a *pu$$y* despite what evidence may be provided
His latest article on t-nation in relation to single leg training was quite possibly the biggest pile of absolute poop I have ever read.
It's called Douche Karma.0 -
Funny because I thought his biggest flaw was his complete unwilling to take on board anything that's happening in exercise science over the last 10 years and resorting to telling anyone who offers an alternative to his methods a *pu$$y* despite what evidence may be provided
His latest article on t-nation in relation to single leg training was quite possibly the biggest pile of absolute poop I have ever read.
It's called Douche Karma.
I hope you mean some kind of non-gender-specific Douche, otherwise I'm gonna be insulted.0 -
Competence speaks for itself, it doesn't need a stupid bow-tie and clown shoes.
If that were true, Jillian Michaels would still be taking orders at a Sonic somewhere.0 -
Competence speaks for itself, it doesn't need a stupid bow-tie and clown shoes.
If that were true, Jillian Michaels would still be taking orders at a Sonic somewhere.
And likewise Dr Oz would still be performing cardiac surgery at a Manhattan hospit....... wait a second.0 -
Competence speaks for itself, it doesn't need a stupid bow-tie and clown shoes.
If that were true, Jillian Michaels would still be taking orders at a Sonic somewhere.
*snort cough*
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Funny because I thought his biggest flaw was his complete unwilling to take on board anything that's happening in exercise science over the last 10 years and resorting to telling anyone who offers an alternative to his methods a *pu$$y* despite what evidence may be provided
His latest article on t-nation in relation to single leg training was quite possibly the biggest pile of absolute poop I have ever read.
It's called Douche Karma.
I hope you mean some kind of non-gender-specific Douche, otherwise I'm gonna be insulted.
In thinking about your answer, I realized that "Douche"--i.e. the shortened colloquial word for "*kitten*" -- is a term reserved exclusively for males.0 -
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Rip has unrealistic expectations and says someone can gain 31lbs of LBM in 11 weeks.0
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Funny because I thought his biggest flaw was his complete unwilling to take on board anything that's happening in exercise science over the last 10 years and resorting to telling anyone who offers an alternative to his methods a *pu$$y* despite what evidence may be provided
His latest article on t-nation in relation to single leg training was quite possibly the biggest pile of absolute poop I have ever read.
It's called Douche Karma.
I hope you mean some kind of non-gender-specific Douche, otherwise I'm gonna be insulted.
In thinking about your answer, I realized that "Douche"--i.e. the shortened colloquial word for "*kitten*" -- is a term reserved exclusively for males.
Before we completely derail this thread and get mod-slapped for non-PG-13 material, I was trying to track down something by Dan Savage about the gender-specificity of this particular insult. Let me just say that his argument was that it isn't gender-specific because one could douche orifices that both men and women have. Ahem. But I was of course being humorous, in a manner characteristic of liberated females.0 -
Well, my gloves DO match my purse. So there.
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I'm pretty sure once you pass the age of 15 no ones comments should hurt your feelings anymore, regardless of what they are, unless it's someone very close to you intending to hurt you. People need to get some thicker skin and let the stuff they consider to be BS roll off their backs.
Great point in general but since this conversation is about authority, credibility, and culture, it betrays a pretty significant reading comprehension failure.0 -
I'm pretty sure once you pass the age of 15 no ones comments should hurt your feelings anymore, regardless of what they are, unless it's someone very close to you intending to hurt you. People need to get some thicker skin and let the stuff they consider to be BS roll off their backs.
Great point in general but since this conversation is about authority, credibility, and culture, it betrays a pretty significant reading comprehension failure.
Completely inaccurate as you presume I read the entire original post, I didn't once I realized your hurt feelings were causing you to write this. I chose to be ignorent of the entire statement instead.0 -
Jesus Christ.Completely inaccurate as you presume I read the entire original post, I didn't once I realized your hurt feelings were causing you to write this. I chose to be ignorent of the entire statement instead.0 -
Lol. This thread went well. Rippetoe is an untouchable god whose every utterance shall be adhered to faithfully.....or laughed off as machismo if it's more convenient to ignore. Got it, thanks.
Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed Ripp's latest article on The Nation praising the philosophy of Rippetoe. "Barbells Cure Cancer and any Style Other than Mine is for Pansies" I believe was the title.0 -
I'm pretty sure this was merely meant to be a discussion about something deeper than the surface of rippetoe not being "polite", not a whine or complaint of hurt feelings.
This is why we can't have nice things, people.0 -
I'm pretty sure once you pass the age of 15 no ones comments should hurt your feelings anymore, regardless of what they are, unless it's someone very close to you intending to hurt you. People need to get some thicker skin and let the stuff they consider to be BS roll off their backs.
Great point in general but since this conversation is about authority, credibility, and culture, it betrays a pretty significant reading comprehension failure.
Completely inaccurate as you presume I read the entire original post, I didn't once I realized your hurt feelings were causing you to write this. I chose to be ignorent of the entire statement instead.
So since you're admitting you didn't even read the whole post (or any of the resulting discussion) you don't even know what the discussion in this thread is about and therefore posted a response that had absolutely no relevance to the conversation. I am dumbfounded.
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Funny, I just looked at it as a joke. I am much more annoyed by mehdi's stronglifts emails... Sarcasm and opinions are fine with me, ranting is not.
^This
At least Rippetoe acknowledges that women lift.0 -
I'm pretty sure once you pass the age of 15 no ones comments should hurt your feelings anymore, regardless of what they are, unless it's someone very close to you intending to hurt you. People need to get some thicker skin and let the stuff they consider to be BS roll off their backs.
Great point in general but since this conversation is about authority, credibility, and culture, it betrays a pretty significant reading comprehension failure.
Humor and sarcasm completely escape some of you huh? I was attempting to be funny, I read the entirety of OP's original post I just responded in a manner that matched what I felt was the absurdity of his response to me implying he was originally trying to engage in a philosophical discussion on Rips behavior when I still think he just got his feelings hurt. Just my interpretation. From now on I will be a humorless butthurt pansy like the rest of PC America, that ok with you and everyone
ETA Good God I hate typing on a phone.0 -
Competence speaks for itself, it doesn't need a stupid bow-tie and clown shoes.
If that were true, Jillian Michaels would still be taking orders at a Sonic somewhere.
*snort cough*
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*giggles*
OP: I think Rippetoe quite often comes off as a serious douchecanoe... as do a lot of the big "fitness" names. As pointed out earlier, Wendler has a chapter in his book about staying "North of Vag."
However, when I need to see form demonstrated, I look him up (Rippetoe) on YouTube. It's easy in this day and age to take what you need and discard the rest.
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hey delicious_cocktail, I agree with you that such a close-minded, homophobic and misogynistic outlook can be seriously off-putting and annoying, especially when it's coming from someone that you want to admire and respect..
Amusing yet sad to see so many condescending and snarky comments on here blindly defending their precious and flawless Lord Rippetoe :laugh:
We can't do much about the douchebaggery of others but we CAN strive to not become *kitten* ourselves -- keeping our egos in check, helping others who are beginners, being mindful and inclusive of people who want to weightlift but do not fit the traditional "macho" image...and in the meantime ignore the BS and keep training!!!0
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