Paleo anyone? Vegan..?
helen_demun
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I know lots of people find these diets pointless BUT I was wondering who else follows a plant based diet?! I am Paleo (it works for me and I feel great! What can I say!) and am struggling to hit macros and find good recipes. I would love to continue to do NO dairy (no whey or soy) and am basically no gluten as well. Is there anyone else out there who is Paleo/Vegan?! I would love to add Eachother and give some support 
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I think part of any diet's "working for me" is that you easily hit your nutritional goals and eat food you like. For every food group you cut out, it gets exponentionally harder to achieve those two things. Any dietary restriction should (in my opinion) be based on a sound decision - health and ethics being "good" reasons; what's fashionable and hyped at the moment, "bad" reasons. Lots of different diets can be good for your health. But the mental aspect of eating is also important. So you will "feel great" when you eat according to what you think is a good way of eating.
I don't know if you'll get anything out of this, but it's how I think about these things.5 -
Paleo and vegan are two opposite types of diet. One is very meat/egg heavy and omits grains. The other prohibits meat/eggs and relies on other sources of protein, including grains.
If you are struggling to hit macros now, vegan would probably be much more difficult.
There are tons of great paleo recipes out there. I am not paleo but I do still make some of them.
If you are struggling, then it probably isn't really working for you. Why do you need a specific diet? You can eat the foods that make you feel better, that you like and that help you hit your goals without having to follow a particular diet type.6 -
If you are vegan, typically beans and legumes are an excellent source of protein, and even grains will be a supplemental source. Paleo bans both. So it seems really hard to me to combine the two and also have a balanced and nutritious diet.5
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helen_demun wrote: »Is there anyone else out there who is Paleo/Vegan?!
That's gonna be a hard one...2 -
I don't understand why you would do that as beans and grains are healthy for you, especially if you're vegetarian/vegan.2
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Veganism is not a diet. It's an ethical stance.10
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian2 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
"How to Eat Pegan
The pegan diet focuses primarily on fruits and vegetables — specifically, filling 75 percent of your diet with plants, and rounding out the other 25 percent with animal protein and high-quality fats . “The pegan diet is a somewhat odd combination because the foundation of vegan diets is a belief of not consuming any animal products,” says nutritionist and chef Beth Saltz, MPH, RD. “A better description is probably a very clean, modified paleo diet.”
This is not actually vegan. Not even close. You can't just call it "paleo vegan" because you think it sounds good..."vegan" has a specific meaning.7 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Do you really want to compare yourself to a baboon? Just saying.2 -
singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.1 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
These trendy diets are just ridiculous, I mean how can you be vegan if are eating meat? Isn't that the whole point of being a vegan, doesn't that go against their whole philosophy?
Wouldn't this just be a healthy well balanced diet, or what some people on here would consider a clean diet?
It seems like people need to label things to sell them or something.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
"How to Eat Pegan
The pegan diet focuses primarily on fruits and vegetables — specifically, filling 75 percent of your diet with plants, and rounding out the other 25 percent with animal protein and high-quality fats . “The pegan diet is a somewhat odd combination because the foundation of vegan diets is a belief of not consuming any animal products,” says nutritionist and chef Beth Saltz, MPH, RD. “A better description is probably a very clean, modified paleo diet.”
This is not actually vegan. Not even close. You can't just call it "paleo vegan" because you think it sounds good..."vegan" has a specific meaning.
I love that it's not vegan, and it's not paleo, but for some reason modified paleo diet works? It seems like the Paleo diet is the most modified diet out there...
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
"How to Eat Pegan
The pegan diet focuses primarily on fruits and vegetables — specifically, filling 75 percent of your diet with plants, and rounding out the other 25 percent with animal protein and high-quality fats . “The pegan diet is a somewhat odd combination because the foundation of vegan diets is a belief of not consuming any animal products,” says nutritionist and chef Beth Saltz, MPH, RD. “A better description is probably a very clean, modified paleo diet.”
This is not actually vegan. Not even close. You can't just call it "paleo vegan" because you think it sounds good..."vegan" has a specific meaning.
I love that it's not vegan, and it's not paleo, but for some reason modified paleo diet works? It seems like the Paleo diet is the most modified diet out there...
Seriously. Because you can't just say "eat a whole bunch of vegetables, and then add some protein and fat." If you don't make up a stupid name for that diet, you can't sell ad space on your blog.0 -
Wow, what a thread...
Vegan is defined as 'No animal products at all', not even honey.
Vegetarian can include eggs, dairy, honey, etc. as long as no animals are harmed.
Paleo is defined as the omnivorous diet eaten by our Paleolithic hunter/gatherer ancestors. Granted, most people are probably not very good hunters, and even the best hunters are statistically not all that successful, so there were probably a LOT of 'vegan' days! Think YOU could take down a full grown bison with a spear??
In keeping with what I have read about most modern dietary advice, I'd say that a balanced diet of 50 to 75% fruits and veggies, 25 to 40% good quality meats and fish, and small amounts of nuts, seeds and good oils is probably as close as any of us can get to mimicking our ancestral diet. A few 'vegan' days a month probably make sense...
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vikinglander wrote: »Wow, what a thread...
Vegan is defined as 'No animal products at all', not even honey.
Vegetarian can include eggs, dairy, honey, etc. as long as no animals are harmed.
Paleo is defined as the omnivorous diet eaten by our Paleolithic hunter/gatherer ancestors. Granted, most people are probably not very good hunters, and even the best hunters are statistically not all that successful, so there were probably a LOT of 'vegan' days! Think YOU could take down a full grown bison with a spear??
In keeping with what I have read about most modern dietary advice, I'd say that a balanced diet of 50 to 75% fruits and veggies, 25 to 40% good quality meats and fish, and small amounts of nuts, seeds and good oils is probably as close as any of us can get to mimicking our ancestral diet. A few 'vegan' days a month probably make sense...
Just my opinion...
Paleo is better defined as the ominvorous diet that we *imagine* our ancestors ate along with some modern foods that many of them probably never ate at all (coconut flour, for example, which is included in many "paleo" recipes).5 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.
So freegan-vegan is a fancy name for ominvore?
Like someone else said, why the names? Why can't you just eat? You can eat mostly veggies, a little meat and some grains without having to distinguish it.2 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.
So freegan-vegan is a fancy name for ominvore?
Like someone else said, why the names? Why can't you just eat? You can eat mostly veggies, a little meat and some grains without having to distinguish it.
Freegans eat food that is going to go to waste - like dumpster diving for foods that haven't truly gone bad yet. To them, a person isn't contributing to animal suffering - the animal already suffered, and now you're adding insult to injury by it having suffered to generate a waste product that will decay and add greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
Flexible-vegans are omnivores that usually follow veganism, except when they don't.
Not all freegans consume animal products. Some of them maintain veganism even when eating (non-animal) foods that would otherwise go to waste.0 -
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I will never understand the point of calling yourself a vegan when you don't follow the basic princpal of veganism.6
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helen_demun wrote: »I know lots of people find these diets pointless BUT I was wondering who else follows a plant based diet?! I am Paleo (it works for me and I feel great! What can I say!) and am struggling to hit macros and find good recipes. I would love to continue to do NO dairy (no whey or soy) and am basically no gluten as well. Is there anyone else out there who is Paleo/Vegan?! I would love to add Eachother and give some support
Check out these groups, lots of people to add and recipes to share:
Paleo/primal: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/37-primal-paleo-support-group
Vegetarian/Vegan: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores
This doesn't really fall into the category, but you'll probably find a lot of whole food recipes that fit into Paleo here as well: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/133-clean-eating-group
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Do you really want to compare yourself to a baboon? Just saying.
Are you saying you're not even a primate?
Nope I'm not saying that. I'm saying I prefer not to compare myself to a baboon...or a chimp, lemur, monkey or really animals of any kind.
I'm also not interested in any diets where the people who ate them had a life expectancy of about 30 years, didn't use fire to cook their food, or came up with a dumb made up name like freegan or pegan.
By the way, wikipedia also says that baboons only live 30 years in the wild and up to 45 in captivity and their diets are actually omnivorous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baboon
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littlechiaseed wrote: »I don't understand why you would do that as beans and grains are healthy for you, especially if you're vegetarian/vegan.
And I don't understand why you would do that as meat is healthy for you, especially if you're paleo.2 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.
So freegan-vegan is a fancy name for ominvore?
Like someone else said, why the names? Why can't you just eat? You can eat mostly veggies, a little meat and some grains without having to distinguish it.
Freegans eat food that is going to go to waste - like dumpster diving for foods that haven't truly gone bad yet. To them, a person isn't contributing to animal suffering - the animal already suffered, and now you're adding insult to injury by it having suffered to generate a waste product that will decay and add greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
Flexible-vegans are omnivores that usually follow veganism, except when they don't.
Am I the only one who is disturbed at the idea of dumpster diving for food?2 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »3dogsrunning wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Paleo Vegan:
http://dailyburn.com/life/health/pegan-diet-paleo-vegan/
It is probably really healthy. Baboons eat 90%+ vegetarian, and the other tubers and such that they eat would be paleo, and baboons all have incredible health markers if you take their blood work.
Paleo vegan isn't 90% vegetarian
Yeah. "Pegan" described in the article is neither vegan nor paleo. You cannot be vegan if you eat meat, period.
You can be if you're freegan-vegan. If the animal was already dead, letting it go into the garbage is even less ethical because now even more food has to be produced to do it.
There is also flexible veganism.
So freegan-vegan is a fancy name for ominvore?
Like someone else said, why the names? Why can't you just eat? You can eat mostly veggies, a little meat and some grains without having to distinguish it.
Freegans eat food that is going to go to waste - like dumpster diving for foods that haven't truly gone bad yet. To them, a person isn't contributing to animal suffering - the animal already suffered, and now you're adding insult to injury by it having suffered to generate a waste product that will decay and add greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
Flexible-vegans are omnivores that usually follow veganism, except when they don't.
Am I the only one who is disturbed at the idea of dumpster diving for food?
If I was hungry enough.....tesco have recently signed up to GIVE AWAY it's (edible) waste food to food banks and food Co-op etc...such a sad sign of the times when people rely on waste food so they can eat at all
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