Homeopathic nutritionist?

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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    Of particular notice is the section about electrodiagnostic devices:
    Some physicians, dentists, and chiropractors use "electrodiagnostic" devices to help select the homeopathic remedies they prescribe. These practitioners claim they can determine the cause of any disease by detecting the "energy imbalance" causing the problem. Some also claim that the devices can detect whether someone is allergic or sensitive to foods, vitamins, and/or other substances. ...

    It sounds like something straight out of a Robert Heinlein book. It would have been good science fiction 100 years ago.
  • Jeannie3099
    Jeannie3099 Posts: 61 Member
    edited November 2016
    Oh God, be careful honey. A good sense of self esteem and a balanced diet, avoid toxic relationships and get out and walk or bike or go to a gym. Also, someone who loves you. All of these total up to good homeopathy I believe.
    Lots of cuddling (s*x) also....oops, edit me.
  • ronjsteele1
    ronjsteele1 Posts: 1,064 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Wait, so you are saying the hospital would have altered records just to show they weren't at fault??? And would get the blood bank (a completely seperate entity) involved In the cover up? You don't consider that a conspiracy theory? That is absolutely ridiculous. Blood bank have admitted to tainted blood before, in fact, they admitted to giving people HIV, hepatitis, as well as other blood borne disorders.

    This hospital has its own blood bank (owned and operated by the hospital) and we had nothing to go off of but what the attorney told us.
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    johnwelk wrote: »

    Actually, the FTC's job includes making sure that companies don't deceive consumers when marketing products to them.

    For one second, their job is not about making sure consumers aren't "deceived."
    You are wrong as usual. What @lynn_glenmont said was 100% correct:
    Actually, the FTC's job includes making sure that companies don't deceive consumers when marketing products to them.
    Their job is to protect standard medical practice (and the AMA which buys and owns the FDA, FTC, etc.) from being encroached on with other things that work for diseases.
    Nope, thats not what the FTC's role is. Sounds like some grade A conspiracy theory. Also, If something is proven to treat a disease then it becomes medicine. If it doesn't then it should be discarded.

    When the government feels the need to protect people from their own decisions, then they don't believe much in freedom. And that's what the FTC's labeling decision is 100% about.
    Nope, wrong again. The labeling decision is about holding the quacks up to the same standards as other products making the same claims. Why is it such a problem that the homeopathic companies prove their claims? If it is so effective then it should be easy to prove. 200 years of homeopathy and still no valid scientific evidence to back up the claims.
    Informed consent doesn't mean the right to be informed only about what the government thinks "works" just because they don't understand it. It means the right to know and learn about whatever they desire to for medical care and then make their decision based on what they've learned.
    You have no idea what informed consent is. Don't pretend you do. Here is a very good description of what informed consent is:
    http://missinglink.ucsf.edu/lm/ethics/Content Pages/fast_fact_informed_consent.htm
    If the FTC can require their statement of inefficacy, then remedy manufacturers have the right to make their statement for efficacy. Let the person decide who they want to believe.
    What ronjsteele post wouldn't be complete without a logical fallacy. Your asking for false equivalence. The data that shows lack of effect of homeopathy far outweighs the data that shows any effect. Also, science is not about belief. Its about what the data shows. And the data shows that homeopathy is pseudoscience.
    Do you realize that a large portion of the medicines used to treat cancers, etc. they don't actually know "how" they work? They only know when they tried them they worked.
    This is completely untrue. I'm sure you can provide some evidence, oh wait never mind, forgot who I was responding to.
    A lot of people may not know or understand how hpathy works
    And a lot of people know that it doesn't work and a lot understand why it doesn't work.
    but enough people use it and it works
    2 more logical fallacies. Argument ad populum and argument by assertion. No, it doesn't work. It can not possibly work in anyway, shape, or form. No matter how much you say it does. You still would have to break a few laws of physics and biology for it to work.
    that they want to continue using it (going to call millions of people worldwide liars? Because that would be pretty bold).
    Great, 2 logical fallacis rolled into one neat little package, false dichotomy and a strawman. No one called anyone a liar. There are many reasons why people think it "works", placebo, post hoc ergo proper hoc, they got better on their own, they are among the worried well, regression to the mean. Shall I go on?

    Again, just because millions of people use it doesn't prove it works. Millions of people use horoscopes. I guess horoscopes are scientifically validated?
    And they continue to study the "whys."
    No, they continue to do studies with poor controls, no blinding, small n. And they continue to show no effect, yet they either declare victory or they always follow up with "further studies needed." How many more negative studies do you need to know that it is pure pseudoscientific bs?

    They don't study the "whys." They've had 200 years to study the whys. Water doesn't have memory, diluting a substance doesn't make it stronger, law of similars is pure fairytale. No studies needed.

    If a chemo worked for millions of people worldwide, you think the FDA and FTC would fight its use?
    Duh. If its proven to work, as chemotherapy has been, then they would have no reason to fight it. Why would they? Not sure why you made this odd statement as it doesn't support your very weak argument at all.
    It's all about the money and always will be......
    Yes, alternative medicine is all about the money, its a $34 billion dollar a year insustry.
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/
    Making money selling useless supplements and treatments. It's disgusting. But for some reason they get a pass.

    AMAZING!!!! Thank you!
  • jprewitt1
    jprewitt1 Posts: 264 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Wait, so you are saying the hospital would have altered records just to show they weren't at fault??? And would get the blood bank (a completely seperate entity) involved In the cover up? You don't consider that a conspiracy theory? That is absolutely ridiculous. Blood bank have admitted to tainted blood before, in fact, they admitted to giving people HIV, hepatitis, as well as other blood borne disorders.

    This hospital has its own blood bank (owned and operated by the hospital) and we had nothing to go off of but what the attorney told us.

    I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, but glad to hear you son is better now.
  • savithny
    savithny Posts: 1,200 Member
    Yeah, "The Machine that goes PING!" is a big old red flag that you're being scammed. They like to make it look more "sciency" to give themselves legitimacy.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.

    Like I said, the things she uses it for and talks about are all fair enough, mostly similar things to you. It was then taking it too far with the machine assessment that dictates which oils are best for you!
  • tennileb
    tennileb Posts: 265 Member
    Go see a registered dietitian.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.

    .

    Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".

    Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.

    ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.
  • MaybeLed
    MaybeLed Posts: 250 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.

    I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.

    .

    Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".

    Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.

    ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.

    Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    MaybeLed wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.

    I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.

    Yacht? Now you have my attention! Go on... ;)
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    MaybeLed wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.

    I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.

    Not sure where you live, but you may want to check occult/pagan/Wicca stores. They typically have pure essential oils. That's where I get mine.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited November 2016
    elphie754 wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.

    .

    Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".

    Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.

    ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.

    Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.

    Of course it's your fault, people with an external locus of control never understand how they contribute to their own issues lol.
  • MaybeLed
    MaybeLed Posts: 250 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    MaybeLed wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.

    I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.

    A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.

    I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.

    Not sure where you live, but you may want to check occult/pagan/Wicca stores. They typically have pure essential oils. That's where I get mine.

    Thanks I never thought of that, I'm in London so I'm sure there are plenty around!
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.

    .

    Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".

    Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.

    ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.

    Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.

    Of course it's your fault, people with an external loci of control never understand how they contribute to their own issues lol.

    Lol. I wish I could say that was the strangest call I've responded to, but that would be a lie.

    We had one a few months ago that came in as a chest pain. We get upstairs and there is this college aged guy running the flat surface of a tiny Buddha statue on his chest, and it's red from where he was rubbing. My partner and I look at each knowing this is going to be one of those calls lol. I'm better than my partner at not laughing in people's faces so I ask why he called. He goes "my heart is getting bigger and my chest hurts". So we ask how does he know it's getting bigger and he points to the redness and goes "because my skin is getting red and I've been using the statue but just seems to be getting worse." Yeah, no kidding lol. It took a while for us to convince him that no, he is not the grinch, his heart isn't growing and he stopped rubbing the area the redness would go away.
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