Homeopathic nutritionist?
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Of particular notice is the section about electrodiagnostic devices:Some physicians, dentists, and chiropractors use "electrodiagnostic" devices to help select the homeopathic remedies they prescribe. These practitioners claim they can determine the cause of any disease by detecting the "energy imbalance" causing the problem. Some also claim that the devices can detect whether someone is allergic or sensitive to foods, vitamins, and/or other substances. ...
It sounds like something straight out of a Robert Heinlein book. It would have been good science fiction 100 years ago.3 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Of particular notice is the section about electrodiagnostic devices:Some physicians, dentists, and chiropractors use "electrodiagnostic" devices to help select the homeopathic remedies they prescribe. These practitioners claim they can determine the cause of any disease by detecting the "energy imbalance" causing the problem. Some also claim that the devices can detect whether someone is allergic or sensitive to foods, vitamins, and/or other substances. ...
It sounds like something straight out of a Robert Heinlein book. It would have been good science fiction 100 years ago.
I believe Scientology use a similar device. And I know how I feel about that............8 -
Oh God, be careful honey. A good sense of self esteem and a balanced diet, avoid toxic relationships and get out and walk or bike or go to a gym. Also, someone who loves you. All of these total up to good homeopathy I believe.
Lots of cuddling (s*x) also....oops, edit me.0 -
Wait, so you are saying the hospital would have altered records just to show they weren't at fault??? And would get the blood bank (a completely seperate entity) involved In the cover up? You don't consider that a conspiracy theory? That is absolutely ridiculous. Blood bank have admitted to tainted blood before, in fact, they admitted to giving people HIV, hepatitis, as well as other blood borne disorders.
This hospital has its own blood bank (owned and operated by the hospital) and we had nothing to go off of but what the attorney told us.0 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
Actually, the FTC's job includes making sure that companies don't deceive consumers when marketing products to them.
For one second, their job is not about making sure consumers aren't "deceived."Actually, the FTC's job includes making sure that companies don't deceive consumers when marketing products to them.Their job is to protect standard medical practice (and the AMA which buys and owns the FDA, FTC, etc.) from being encroached on with other things that work for diseases.When the government feels the need to protect people from their own decisions, then they don't believe much in freedom. And that's what the FTC's labeling decision is 100% about.Informed consent doesn't mean the right to be informed only about what the government thinks "works" just because they don't understand it. It means the right to know and learn about whatever they desire to for medical care and then make their decision based on what they've learned.
http://missinglink.ucsf.edu/lm/ethics/Content Pages/fast_fact_informed_consent.htmIf the FTC can require their statement of inefficacy, then remedy manufacturers have the right to make their statement for efficacy. Let the person decide who they want to believe.Do you realize that a large portion of the medicines used to treat cancers, etc. they don't actually know "how" they work? They only know when they tried them they worked.A lot of people may not know or understand how hpathy worksbut enough people use it and it worksthat they want to continue using it (going to call millions of people worldwide liars? Because that would be pretty bold).
Again, just because millions of people use it doesn't prove it works. Millions of people use horoscopes. I guess horoscopes are scientifically validated?And they continue to study the "whys."
They don't study the "whys." They've had 200 years to study the whys. Water doesn't have memory, diluting a substance doesn't make it stronger, law of similars is pure fairytale. No studies needed.If a chemo worked for millions of people worldwide, you think the FDA and FTC would fight its use?It's all about the money and always will be......
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/
Making money selling useless supplements and treatments. It's disgusting. But for some reason they get a pass.
AMAZING!!!! Thank you!4 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »
Wait, so you are saying the hospital would have altered records just to show they weren't at fault??? And would get the blood bank (a completely seperate entity) involved In the cover up? You don't consider that a conspiracy theory? That is absolutely ridiculous. Blood bank have admitted to tainted blood before, in fact, they admitted to giving people HIV, hepatitis, as well as other blood borne disorders.
This hospital has its own blood bank (owned and operated by the hospital) and we had nothing to go off of but what the attorney told us.
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, but glad to hear you son is better now.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I love Big Pharma! My life is so much better!
Same here! I would be dead without big pharma.
Add me to the big pharma love fest. I'd be in horrible amounts of daily pain if it weren't for big pharma. I wouldn't be able to run, and I'd be debilitated from my arthritis and chronic migraines. Big pharma and Western medicine gave me my life back.8 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »
So the hospital gave your son hepatitis and you didn't pursue legal action? Can I ask why not? I'm not trying to argue. I like the conversation and I like hearing differing opinions.
Because when we consulted an attorney to do so we were told that he could guarantee, even with multiple blood tests from different doctors, that the hospital and blood bank would have already altered both the records of the product he received and our son's personal records. He said it was wrong, but he'd been a trial lawyer for 25+ years and had seen it happen many times when it involved any tainted blood product. He said they had only been able to prove that happened in a couple of cases he was involved in and it was because whomever did the altering made a couple of small mistakes in the process that some smart person found for him. After consulting with said attorney we moved on. We had two medical crisis going on at the exact same time and did not have energy to further pursue after being told that. Looking back, I kind of wish we had but at that moment, we had to choose between focusing on healing two people and the ensuing life change that brought or money to inflict some pain on those who were at fault. We did not have the time, energy, or capacity to do both at once. In the end, we decided not to seek out another opinion (this person was a friend - we trusted him, and still do). It would not have altered our course of treatment nor would money change what we were going through. Our boy is hep. free and blood disease free today, which was worth the decision to put our energy into him. It's a valid question to ask........
So you've turned away from real medicine based on your horrible experiences. Fair enough. But then turning to 'alternative medicine' still makes no sense when any vestige of rational thought you have must give you reasonable doubts about whether these things work? You are obviously not totally ignorant, I can only conclude you have what my psych lecturer used to call "a few sheep loose in the top paddock" when he was referring to conspiracy theorists.
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If you are having medical issues or are concerned with you or your families diet you should see your doctor who might refer you to a dietician rather than find a homeopathic nutritionist online.
Same as if you were having tooth pain you should speak to your dentist rather than a homeopathic toothiologist.
In both cases one title requires some sort of professional training and schooling, while the other is a made-up degree anyone can claim to have.10 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »Again, the ignorance of not knowing the difference between naturopathic and homeopathic is showing.
Who cares, they're both snake oil salesmen who devote their lives to ripping off the worried well with phony diagnoses and useless treatments. It's ignorant to think that homeopathy treats anything. Oh, by the way, every ND school in the US requires coursework in homeopathy.Until people get that, discussion on their merits can't even take place.We have treated strep (and so many other things) hpathically with no issue.
1) he didn't have strep, i.e. misdiagnosed
2) he did have strep, but it got better on its own
3) you're making it upAs I have said over and over on this forum- the key will always be balance and none of us is perfect at that. Being on the left or the right of the road either way still puts one in the ditch. That's not balance.
Medicine has thousands of scientifically validated treatments, homeopathy has thousands of treatments that have been shown to be nothing more than placebo. There doesnt need to be balance between science and pseudoscience.and chemo has killed many a childI take great issue with the nanny state. If parents are allowed to be told how to raise their kids by the state, at what point does that end? It doesn't. And my children don't belong to the state.
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »Shadowmf023 wrote: »Well - I've never been to a homeopath. Although I've used homeopathic remedies. Which worked for me. **shrugs**
Exactly the same goes for homeopathy.
Mag Phos tissue salts seems to work fine for pain for me. It's been a life saver when I get headaches or pain in my colon.
I have an ulcer and can't take actual pain medication because it would make the symptoms worse and burn my stomach.
You don't have to believe me. Just stating my personal experience. If they don't work for you, that's fine.
The laws of physics don't magically change depending upon who they're working on.
There is no mechanism by which homeopathy can work. You just felt better due to the placebo effect.9 -
Alternative medicine is dangerous, not only because the 'treatment' doesn't actually do anything but it is done as alternative to medical intervention. So the underlying condition isn’t dealt with. Now if that’s an infection it usually gets better by itself because the immune system is a wonderful thing. Voila ‘it must’ve been the woo’ but, sometimes it causes a fever that causes organ failure however much water you sprinkle that’s not going to get better without antibiotics and intensive care.
Complementary medicine is a slightly different thing as it is taken to complement medicines, so as long as the Doctor is aware (to rule out interactions with medications) there is little harm, and if it makes the person feel better it’s fine. As I said I got given acupuncture for my migraine, I went through the course because it was calm and relaxing, but it did bugger all for my migraine. The medication review and diet analysis under the GP made my migraine less frequent (if anyone wants to claim it was the acupuncture, it wasn’t there was a huge gap between these events)
Adults with capacity can do whatever they want and agree they should have the right to do whatever they want however dumb it seems to the rest of the world. I don’t think they should have the right to cause harm to others (child or not), and Alternative medicine has a great capacity for harm.11 -
As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
Ya know. As we may be missing a trick using all these modern medicines and technical advances that continue to improve survival rates.
Idiots.22 -
"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine" - Tim Minchin.
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As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.9 -
As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is not religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.
I work for a "melting pot" of a company. I used to work the front desk if HR. It was neat how many Haitian ladies had to be called in because they were putting curses on eachother. Some would have to call out because they were literally terrified, and blame others for symptoms they were having which miraculously disappeared after employee relations got involved. Whether you believe in it or not, placing curses falls under "creating a hostile work environment" and your *kitten* WILL be getting a write-up for it.
Just sharing my experience with the dark arts and the power the human mind can have over the body if you believe in something enough.7 -
Yeah, "The Machine that goes PING!" is a big old red flag that you're being scammed. They like to make it look more "sciency" to give themselves legitimacy.3
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This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.6
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VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
Like I said, the things she uses it for and talks about are all fair enough, mostly similar things to you. It was then taking it too far with the machine assessment that dictates which oils are best for you!1 -
Go see a registered dietitian.2
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As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.
ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.4 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.
ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.
Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.
Yacht? Now you have my attention! Go on...
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VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.
Not sure where you live, but you may want to check occult/pagan/Wicca stores. They typically have pure essential oils. That's where I get mine.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.
ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.
Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.
Of course it's your fault, people with an external locus of control never understand how they contribute to their own issues lol.2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.
Yacht? Now you have my attention! Go on...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsYoeoEE3ww5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This has just reminded me, an FB friend has recently got heavily into essential oils. Fair enough, she uses them for relaxation/sleep aid etc. However, she was flogging this event (she's also a rep, MLM fun) where you could be assessed by one of these machines to tell you what essential oils you should be using. I bit my tongue but was thinking the whole time what a lot of nonsense. And she's an intelligent human being, former primary school teacher. Just goes to show how easily sucked in we as humans can be.
I have actually had some success with certain essential oils. Lavender really helps me relax. Add a few drops (since the ones I buy are really concentrated) in a bath, and afterwards I fall asleep easily. I have also had luck with peppermint oil for headaches. I dab a bit on where the headache is and it decreases the pain almost instantly. It really helps my migraines and helps to relieve the pain until medication kicks in.
A machine to tell you which to use??? Yeah that's nonsense.
I use Frankincense oil as a perfume, just roll a little on to my wrists, I picked up a big bottle in Egypt but I'm always on the lookout for more as it won't last forever, but whenever I try and look it up I'm told it'll cure/prevent cancer, boost my immune system and probably buy me a yacht.
Not sure where you live, but you may want to check occult/pagan/Wicca stores. They typically have pure essential oils. That's where I get mine.
Thanks I never thought of that, I'm in London so I'm sure there are plenty around!2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »As a paediatric oncologist who treats dying children on a daily basis I would be interested in any actual evidence that homeopathy/shamanism/voodoo/the ground up testicle of a squirrel born on the second Sunday of a leap year work.
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Omg I can't stop laughing after reading the last "treatment".
Funny story about voodoo. About a year ago I responded to a call (medic) for chest pain. When we got there, the patient told us she is having pain because her ex mother in law (who is in a different country) has been putting curses on her and making her sick. My partner and I just looked at each other like "huh?". She demanded we take her to the "religious" hospital in the city so they can remove the curse. When we told her that there is no religious hospital that we know of, she goes "fine take me to the voodoo hospital". My partner had to leave the room because he just started laughing. We brought her to the closest ER where they triaged her to the psych ER.
ROFL real The Serpent and The Rainbow stuff there. Funny how you can't curse a non-believer.
Best part was, as we were walking back to the ambulance after dropping her off, the current boyfriend started screaming at us. He goes "you did something wrong!! You had to have said something wrong!! Now they think she is crazy and asking her questions about her mental state." And continued screaming about how her predicament is our fault. We just got in the vehicle without saying anything and left.
Of course it's your fault, people with an external loci of control never understand how they contribute to their own issues lol.
Lol. I wish I could say that was the strangest call I've responded to, but that would be a lie.
We had one a few months ago that came in as a chest pain. We get upstairs and there is this college aged guy running the flat surface of a tiny Buddha statue on his chest, and it's red from where he was rubbing. My partner and I look at each knowing this is going to be one of those calls lol. I'm better than my partner at not laughing in people's faces so I ask why he called. He goes "my heart is getting bigger and my chest hurts". So we ask how does he know it's getting bigger and he points to the redness and goes "because my skin is getting red and I've been using the statue but just seems to be getting worse." Yeah, no kidding lol. It took a while for us to convince him that no, he is not the grinch, his heart isn't growing and he stopped rubbing the area the redness would go away.2
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