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OP - disregard @gonetothedogs19 or do a search for their posts. If you read them with the intent of disregarding basically everything he says, it is quite a comical experience.
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Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.0 -
But, OP isn't failing with Calorie counting. She just had unrealistic expectations, which seem to be worked out.6
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I lost 3 lbs the first week, nada the second week. Don't get discouraged, just keep going. You will sometimes stall or gain instead of lose, but weight loss isn't linear.3
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.5 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Don't starve. Experiment to see what mix of macros will help you with satiety. Generally, protein, fat, and fiber help with feeling full longer so you might want to eat a higher percentage of those than you currently do.
You don't have to do everything at once. Baby steps. Start by just logging what you normally eat and then go back through to see where you might eat smaller portions and/or substitute some calorie-dense foods that you like with different foods that you also like.
1.2 pounds are 1.2 pounds. Weight loss is a marathon, not a sprint.
This chart has some helpful advice:
How many times am I going to see this chart?
If you want to jump-start your weight loss, meaning you will lose lots of water weight, I suggest a very high-fat, no sugar and no grain diet. Phase I of the South Beach Diet is suggested to get you started. There are many others out there that are similar.
This a good summary of the two-week plan:
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/diets/south-beach-diet-sample-meal-plan
CICO, SCHMICO. The fact is, you will lose much more weight in two weeks on this eating regimen, than you will lose doing some generic CICO diet, even if you eat the EXACT same amount of calories. It doesn't matter if it's "only" water weight. Weight is weight.
And if you have an issue with blood sugars, it will bring your levels down.
You could lose up to ten pounds in two weeks, as opposed to losing (hopefully) two pounds counting calories. And if you really like the diet, you could do it for another two weeks.
You might hate this diet, but it's worth a try. Good luck.
Until everyone who states they can't lose weight has seen it.
All the rest of your statement is woo bunk. Why would I want to eat a diet I hate (set up for failure!), when I can just CICO?
You won't know you hate it until you tried it, correct? As of CICO, how many posts do I have to read here from people who failed at it. Obviously, finding that magical point where you are in a "caloric deficit" is not that easy. Nor is counting, measuring and weighing every little morsel of food you eat, and beverage you drink.
To someone who needs to lose a lot of weight, I would definitely suggest South Beach Phase I, over counting, weight and measuring, counting weighing and measuring, day after day, week after week, all of which could result in a whopping 1.2 pound weight loss in two weeks (like the OP).
Am I remembering rightly that you also tried to advocate people just eating prepackaged pre-portioned meals as a "simpler" way to track calories, regardless of what their current food preferences are?
honestly, everything you suggest to simplify the process would actually make it a lot more difficult for me. South Beach? So I'd have to look it up, buy specific foods etc whereas how I have done this from the start, just eating what I always eat but weighing my portions and making the odd tweak here and there, has been nothing but simplicity itself. 50lbs of simple and counting. Such failure.
Ya, I did South Beach for a week and found it to be a PITA and otherwise not sustainable. I've lost 40 pounds using MFP as designed, and tweaking my regular diet so that I'm eating less foods with flour, and more protein, fruit, and fiber.5 -
queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
You can eat junk food and still lose weight.5 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
It' actually somewhat of a ketogenic lifestyle, which is fantastic, if you like it and can stick with it. That's a big if. For some, it's hard to give up grains and refined sugars.0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
You mean it's "miserable" because you eliminated yummy, happy food....
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
It's important to look good than feel good! gotcha
https://youtu.be/J0RTD7250II 3 -
I can't believe someone is suggesting water weight is a success (well, actually I can)
Why not advise people to sit in a sauna for an hour a day? That will drop water faster than a low carb diet will...5 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
Are you kidding? Take my high calorie junk food and I will cut you (joke, BTW). You make such weird assertions. I couldn't give a hoot about water weight loss. Most people regain it over a period anyway and their losses average out to be exactly the same as someone with a different way of eating with the same stats. It's the oddest thing to focus on.
It's also really weird how you latch on to certain ways of eating as something every newb should try. Like prepackaged food a couple of weeks ago. And now South Beach. One can only assume you yourself are switching the way you eat around because you've failed to find a sustainable way of sticking to your calories for the long term. And someone in that situation probably isn't best placed to be advising others in the same situation. Unlike those of us with consistent results and/or have successfully transitioned into long term maintenance.10 -
Interesting thread.0
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
Pff 2 weeks for 10 pounds? Just amputate your non-dominant arm. It's an immediate jumpstart!7 -
And actually, eliminating cookies (or whatever your treat of choice may be) from my diet would make losing weight harder because I'd end up eating a whole packet or 6 when the psychological hardship kicks in and I binge my cookie craving heart out.6
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I'm not a pro at this but it sounds like youre doing well. I started with 1200/cal a day, but my friend, who lost 70lbs since january said 1200 is not good for me & I won't be able to live on an eating plan like that. I'm on it for the long term, so i upped it to 1440 & for now don't re eat what i get back in exercise. The amount of food I eat a day is enough & i'm never hungry unless I skip a meal. I plan to eat more calories once in a while, but it will be planed2
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
How much do you weigh?3 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »@gonetothedogs19 , why come to a calorie counting site and then bash calorie counting?
Not bashing calorie counting, weighing and measuring at all. It works very well for a few people.
Just like a plant-based vegan diet works very well for a few people.
But the vast majority of people will not count, weigh and measure food, just like the vast majority of people will not give up eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs.
Therefore, alternatives need to be explored. And if you fail at calorie counting, Phase I of South Beach (or other similar diets) could be a nice alternative (I said could be, because within two days, there are people who would hate it).
Full disclosure - I have met a few plant-based vegans, but have never met a calorie counter.
You also are trying to sell phase 1 of the South Beach, in part, on the strength of the water weight loss.
That may have been the most foolish statement I have ever read on an internet board dedicated to weight loss or fitness.
Seriously, who cares about water weight loss.
Are you kidding? You weigh 175 and you are trying to get to 125. You do two or three weeks of South Beach Phase I (or the equivalent) and now you are 165. The alternate is to just count calories, and now you weight 173. I think most people would be thrilled with the 165. It's called a jump start your weight loss.
And if you can stick with it, it's terrific, because you eliminate high-calorie junk food (cookies, smoothies, chips, ice cream, cake, fruit juice pretzels, etc.) from your diet, making it much easier to lose weight.
Are YOU kidding???
This person who dumps a bunch of water weight the first couple weeks does feel good. That same person will wake up one morning retaining some of that lost water, having gained several of those pounds back and wonder what he or she did wrong.
People trying to lose weight are intending to lose fat.3 -
I can't believe someone is suggesting water weight is a success (well, actually I can)
Why not advise people to sit in a sauna for an hour a day? That will drop water faster than a low carb diet will...
Ya, I wish I had MFP back when I was in the military and was doing stupid stuff like sauna-ing to drop water weight for weigh-ins.0 -
OP don't listen to this crap:
They have no idea what basic science is.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Don't starve. Experiment to see what mix of macros will help you with satiety. Generally, protein, fat, and fiber help with feeling full longer so you might want to eat a higher percentage of those than you currently do.
You don't have to do everything at once. Baby steps. Start by just logging what you normally eat and then go back through to see where you might eat smaller portions and/or substitute some calorie-dense foods that you like with different foods that you also like.
1.2 pounds are 1.2 pounds. Weight loss is a marathon, not a sprint.
This chart has some helpful advice:
How many times am I going to see this chart?
If you want to jump-start your weight loss, meaning you will lose lots of water weight, I suggest a very high-fat, no sugar and no grain diet. Phase I of the South Beach Diet is suggested to get you started. There are many others out there that are similar.
This a good summary of the two-week plan:
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/diets/south-beach-diet-sample-meal-plan
CICO, SCHMICO. The fact is, you will lose much more weight in two weeks on this eating regimen, than you will lose doing some generic CICO diet, even if you eat the EXACT same amount of calories. It doesn't matter if it's "only" water weight. Weight is weight.
And if you have an issue with blood sugars, it will bring your levels down.
You could lose up to ten pounds in two weeks, as opposed to losing (hopefully) two pounds counting calories. And if you really like the diet, you could do it for another two weeks.
You might hate this diet, but it's worth a try. Good luck.
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I'm glad there are people here who are successful with CICO. But to say that a calorie is a calorie (200 calories of donuts = 200 calories of salad) when it comes to success at weight loss is "settled science" is incorrect. It is not.
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/5-reasons-to-never-count-another-calorie0 -
OP in another post you mentioned you weighed 128lb (at 5ft tall), you don't have a lot of weight to lose, therefore, you are not likely to lose a lot of weight each week. In fact, for your current weight and the total amount of weight you want to lose, you are doing quite well at the rate you are losing.
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I'm glad there are people here who are successful with CICO. But to say that a calorie is a calorie (200 calories of donuts = 200 calories of salad) when it comes to success at weight loss is "settled science" is incorrect. It is not.
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/5-reasons-to-never-count-another-calorie
That's a nifty little website there that looks like the mecca of credibility...
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I'm glad there are people here who are successful with CICO. But to say that a calorie is a calorie (200 calories of donuts = 200 calories of salad) when it comes to success at weight loss is "settled science" is incorrect. It is not.
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/5-reasons-to-never-count-another-calorie
You do not understand science5 -
Why do you keep saying calorie counting doesn't work for people
After 30 years of named diet after fad diet after low carb, keto, harcombe, Atkins, Ww, SW ad nauseum diets calorie counting worked for me to get to goal within 9 months and stick for a further 20 months
And I have grown fond of hundreds of posters who have succeeded too
And the success forum is filled with successful calorie counters
And the maintenance forum filled with even more successful stories
And the fitness and weight gain too ...
Every single success story here, even if not overtly calorie counting, is cos of adherence to CICO
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Every successful maintainer/loser/gainer in the entire universe is successful because of CICO, whether they know it or not...9
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queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I'm glad there are people here who are successful with CICO. But to say that a calorie is a calorie (200 calories of donuts = 200 calories of salad) when it comes to success at weight loss is "settled science" is incorrect. It is not.
http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/5-reasons-to-never-count-another-calorie
You do not understand science
Seriously. it's like saying what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks? a pound is a pound. a calorie is a calorie. 1200 calories of junk is the same as 1200 calories of clean food in terms of weight loss only. [how you feel and how your blood sugar responds is something entirely different]1 -
tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »OP in another post you mentioned you weighed 128lb (at 5ft tall), you don't have a lot of weight to lose, therefore, you are not likely to lose a lot of weight each week. In fact, for your current weight and the total amount of weight you want to lose, you are doing quite well at the rate you are losing.
Yes, if these are the OP's stats she's doing quite well.0
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