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Fast food and obesity
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nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
I love the crap on grocery shelves. Have you tried the Sriracha mayo on hard boiled eggs. Yum Or Classico Spicy Tomato Sauce on Barilla spaghetti with Italian meatballs in the frozen section. Can't be beat. And Ranch dressing on romaine with grape tomatoes, red onion, Kalamata olives and jarred artichokes in oil. You are seriously missing out on the good stuff.
Plus....McGriddles!
I love fricken' McGriddles!
I've never felt so sad reading one of your posts as I do with this one. While I am capable of wolfing down some McDs, this is just sick and wrong. :sick:
Yep, sick!0 -
aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
If my grocery store was selling crap I would probably find a new one. Fortunately mine sells a variety of foods - produce, meat, dairy, baked goods, nutrient dense processed items like beans, rice, pasta, canned tomatoes, oatmeal, Greek yogurt and frozen vegetables, as well as some things I think are convenient and do me no harm like pre made salad dressings, frozen meals for my lunches... and some tasty treats that I eat in moderation like Oreos, ice cream, frozen pizza and of course essentials like wine!
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nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
I love the crap on grocery shelves. Have you tried the Sriracha mayo on hard boiled eggs. Yum Or Classico Spicy Tomato Sauce on Barilla spaghetti with Italian meatballs in the frozen section. Can't be beat. And Ranch dressing on romaine with grape tomatoes, red onion, Kalamata olives and jarred artichokes in oil. You are seriously missing out on the good stuff.
Plus....McGriddles!
I love fricken' McGriddles!
I've never felt so sad reading one of your posts as I do with this one. While I am capable of wolfing down some McDs, this is just sick and wrong. :sick:
DTM!0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
I love the crap on grocery shelves. Have you tried the Sriracha mayo on hard boiled eggs. Yum Or Classico Spicy Tomato Sauce on Barilla spaghetti with Italian meatballs in the frozen section. Can't be beat. And Ranch dressing on romaine with grape tomatoes, red onion, Kalamata olives and jarred artichokes in oil. You are seriously missing out on the good stuff.
Plus....McGriddles!
I love fricken' McGriddles!
I've never felt so sad reading one of your posts as I do with this one. While I am capable of wolfing down some McDs, this is just sick and wrong. :sick:
DTM!
Deep Tissue Massage?!?!3 -
queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
I love the crap on grocery shelves. Have you tried the Sriracha mayo on hard boiled eggs. Yum Or Classico Spicy Tomato Sauce on Barilla spaghetti with Italian meatballs in the frozen section. Can't be beat. And Ranch dressing on romaine with grape tomatoes, red onion, Kalamata olives and jarred artichokes in oil. You are seriously missing out on the good stuff.
Plus....McGriddles!
I love fricken' McGriddles!
I've never felt so sad reading one of your posts as I do with this one. While I am capable of wolfing down some McDs, this is just sick and wrong. :sick:
DTM!
Deep Tissue Massage?!?!
Down To McDs?2 -
Dead to me! Lol2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »
Especially if the same meal is high in both carbs and fats since that combo better promotes fat storage and inflammation which can in turn promote heart disease, strokes, cancer, Alzheimer's, type 2 diabetes etc per some MD's.
eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-do-some-cultures-stay-lean-while-still-consuming-high-amounts-of-carbohydrates
So the French, Italians, and Japanese don't eat fat with carbs? Oh, right, they do (although granted the Japanese eat a pretty low fat diet overall, so maybe that doesn't count).
The funny thing about Attia's effort to explain away the fact that many cultures with higher carb diets that we have (including many blue zones) have better results for health and preventing obesity is that the real answer is apparent within his explanation -- they eat fewer calories. We eat too many calories. Attia can go on about how we supposedly eat Prego and fries and those are full of sugar (whatever, seems to me that fries are high cal because they are full of fat, and I'm a food snob so make my own pasta sauce even though I'm not Italian, something Attia seems to think is unheard of), but the essence of it comes down to Americans eat too much.
Of course we do. Too much fat, too many carbs, possibly even too much protein depending on who you ask. Too many calories.
If you personally ate lots of high fat and high carb "junk food" and reduced calories by going low carb and cutting out added sugar and grains (even if it required going nuts with the sat fat to do it), then that might well have been an improvement for you.
Doesn't mean carbs are the problem. As the Japanese diet demonstrates (as well as many others), one can eat lots of carbs in the context of a healthful, calorie-appropriate diet.
Not sure what this has to do with fast food, except, I suppose, that many people who go get fast food also tend to eat too many calories in their meals, especially those not logging or otherwise paying attention to calories.
Carbs, protein and fats do not cause disease is my take away so fast food is not a direct cause of disease. Dr. Attia point seems to be when one eat in any many that increases the level of inflammation in one's body that is what that can lead to a premature death.
Eating and breathing are inflammatory events but asphyxiation and starvation are none too healthy either. This hype of "inflammation" is just that. Unless it's provable chronic inflammation due to an underlying condition than it's just a normal part of being a biological organism in this ecosphere.7 -
Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!1
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Guitarman1994 wrote: »Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!
I have to agree, those who saw the lawyer in "Super Size Me" should have cringed when he talked about neighborhood restaurants being around for so long so it couldn't be them that is causing the rise in obesity. Putting aside that he is just a hired mouthpiece for an interest group that statement was such *kitten it's hard to believe anyone with any sense could believe it. For one thing, people it out at sit down restaurants a lot more than they used to, and the fact that restaurant associations are fighting tooth and nail against putting their nutritional information on menus should tell you something. A typical sit down meal at a casual fine dinning place like Olive Garden can easily have 1500 to 2500 calories with 1/2 an appetizer, an entre, 1/2 a dessert and a drink or two.
Most people will actually eat more at a sit down restaurant than they will at a fast food restaurant.3 -
Guitarman1994 wrote: »Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!
You can make calorie dense choices at a fast food restaurant, a sit down restaurant, or cooking at home - at any one of those it's possible to consume >1000 cals in one sitting. But you can also make choices that enable you to eat a single meal that fits well within your day at any of those establishments as well. That's the beauty of having choices, and personal accountability...9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Guitarman1994 wrote: »Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!
You can make calorie dense choices at a fast food restaurant, a sit down restaurant, or cooking at home - at any one of those it's possible to consume >1000 cals in one sitting. But you can also make choices that enable you to eat a single meal that fits well within your day at any of those establishments as well. That's the beauty of having choices, and personal accountability...
Many appetizers have over 1000 calories and that's just to start the meal. There was an episode of a Canadian show on CBC that did nutritional lab testing of several casual dinning chains and they found most meals over 2000 calories, even many entrees had more than 2000 calories such as Boston Pizza's Pad Thai weighing in at something like 2600 calories alone!1 -
Guitarman1994 wrote: »Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!
I can make food at home where my whole day is shot in one meal. Fast food has nothing to do with that.4 -
aalixandruh wrote: »McDonald's is no worse than most of the crap on grocery store shelves honestly.
You need a new grocery store then.1 -
Guitarman1994 wrote: »Any place you can go and intake your entire day of caloric intake in one meal is not good. And the sodium and cholesterol is at an extreme! Stay home and make something. It's called fast food for a reason! Stay healthy all!!
I can go to my kitchen and intake my entire day of caloric intake in one meal. I choose not to.6 -
For me its def. harder to reign in calories at a restaurant than at home.
I'm surprized others find it so easy to do that.0 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Why am I NOT surprised that Japan is the least obese? Oh, yea, because they have a healthy diet of fish, rice, and vegetables, mostly. There's a reason why the good ol' saying is, "You are what you eat."
There's also the massive social stigma in Japan with being overweight / obese along with generally homogeneous culture.
Fat shaming seems to work there to help keep waistlines in check.
Fat shaming is so acceptable in Japan that a BMI in the upper 20's could get your belly poked and jokes made about you. In fact, it's government mandated that citizens over 40 get their waists measured every year and if they go over the limit (33.5 inches for men, 35.4 for women) they'll be given "dietary guidance" and if that doesn't work after six months, they may be given "further re-education."
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2009/11/how-japan-defines-fat/29830/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?_r=0
Why doesn't the US do this?
Because trading an obesity epidemic for an eating disorder epidemic isn't exactly a good trade.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/17/many-suffer-but-no-one-talks-about-it-the-rise-of-eating-disorders-in-japan4 -
Depends on the restaurant, depends on the day, and how much I can fit in as well as how much time I've had to plan/budget cals accordingly.For me its def. harder to reign in calories at a restaurant than at home.
I'm surprized others find it so easy to do that.
I don't think anyone is saying it is easier to eat within a certain calorie allotment at a restaurant , just that it can be done, and that meals cooked at home can be just as calorie dense.
Last Saturday I had Wendy's for lunch. A grilled chicken sandwich and half an order of fries. About 600 cals. That night we had homemade manicotti, salad, garlic bread and wine for dinner. That was 1000 calories.
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cerise_noir wrote: »
Gonna go out on a limb and guess "No." lol1 -
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