October (2016) Running Challenge
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Calvin2008Brian wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I just registered my wife for the 5k the night before my marathon.......
Where you racing? (Bear with me, I'm new here).
I'm running Grandma's Marathon in Duluth Minnesota on 6/17. W'll be running the William A. Irvin 5k the night before.2 -
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I'm actually one of people keeping this updated.
@BeeerRunner thanks! I can't believe how much those few lunges tore me up. I'm trying to decide that means I should avoid them or do them more often. I'm glad you found the Zero Runner to be helpful. 5 miles is awesome! It's interesting that barefoot running doesn't hurt at all.
@Calvin2008Brian running in the dark is the only way I'm going to get miles in during the week in the fall and winter. I love it though, and often run after dark even in the summer. Soon I'll be trail running in the dark. A good headlamp, reflective gear, and flashing lights are a must. When I run with my dog, he gets a flashing light too.
@lporter229 you have more running and marathon experience than I do, and thus far my experience has been with just a single marathon, so keep that in mind as I offer my 2¢. My short answer is no, I don't think eliminating speed work is the best route to your goal. Reduce or tone down perhaps, as you suggested, but don't eliminate.
I think that for someone with a good base of running such as your self, a variety of speeds is helpful for staying injury free (by slightly varying the muscles used and how they're used), teaching the body to recruit different muscles in different ways, keeping good form (faster speeds require better form for better running economy), building and maintaining strength by inducing different stresses to the body, and for training your body to adapt to different energy transfer methods (I'm sure there's a better phrase for that).
If all you run are easy miles, you're body will be great at running easy miles. Push yourself with some speed work and some hill work, and your GMP will come easier for you. Even if your goal is not a time goal but a satisfaction goal, the better your body is prepared for it, the better your satisfaction will be. Reading between the lines, it seems as the problem before wasn't necessarily speed work, but too much or too intense speed work.
As I continually review and revise my ultra training schedule I'm thinking about these same issues. Training for my full I had an injury midway through which I blamed on a tempo run. Maybe it was to blame, maybe not. The result was that I swore off any speed work for the remainder of my training to avoid injury. I did get a significant Achilles injury later, but that I attribute to playing an intense game of basketball the day after a 20 mile run (stupid, stupid, stupid). My marathon went really well...for 21 miles. Then my quads and calves lit up and my pace plummeted. It wasn't a lack of energy or a lack of fitness that did me in, but the lack of variety in my training runs. At least that's my current theory. Had I done a reasonable amount of speed work, and a reasonable amount of hill work, I think the outcome would have been much better.
Previously you did one tempo run per week and one interval/hill repeat workout per week. What about alternating? One week do a tempo run, the next week do hills.
Strength training is definitely a good idea and something I really need to work on.
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »I'm running Grandma's Marathon in Duluth Minnesota on 6/17. W'll be running the William A. Irvin 5k the night before.
Awesome. Great race(s)!
Have you run Grandma's before? I ran it in 2010 an 2012, and did the Garry Bjorklund Half in 2014. I was training for Grandma's this spring but pulled the plug because of injury. Love that race! Good luck!!0 -
October goal: 50 miles
10/1: 1.75 miles
10/2: 3.15 miles
10/3: 2.25 miles
10/4: 2 miles
10/5: 2 miles
10/6: Rest Day
10/7: 2 miles
10/8: 2.25 miles
10/9: 3.15 miles
10/10: 2.25 miles
10/11: 2.25 miles
10/12: 2.5 miles
10/13: 2 miles
10/14: Rest Day
10/15: 4.19 miles (2.25 + 1.9) <<<
10/16: 2.25 miles
10/17: 2.25 miles
10/18: 2.5 miles
10/19: 2.25 miles
10/20: 2.25 miles
10/21: 3.15 miles
10/22: 1 mile
10/23: 5 miles
10/24: 2 miles
10/25: Rest Day
10/26: Lazy Day
10/27: 2 miles
Total/October: 56.35 miles
Today I was reminded why I hate to take days off. I haven't been feeling great and slept in the last two days without running or biking. This morning I had a bit of an upset stomach when I woke up and decided to stay in bed again. I went out around lunchtime for a two mile run that was way harder than it should have been. No more sleeping in for me! I am planning to be up and at 'em tomorrow morning.
@RunRachelleRun Congrats on your half!
@orphia Congrats on your Bloody Long Walk and other bucket list items!
@Joanna2012B, @RespectTheKitty, @vandinem, @dkabambe (and anyone I might have missed!) Great job on passing your goals!
@HonuNui I probably wouldn't dive without Mike, so I can understand that. Snorkeling is fun too though. I did it once when I was in the Cayman Islands and had a wonderful time.
@BeeerRunner Great picture of you and your son!
@katharmonic Love the Stella pics. So cute in her little hoodie!
@lporter229 Another adorable Stella! She looks so sweet! I'll bet she's got a lot of energy, too!
I also have discovered that I don't want to miss two days in a row on this thread. Over 174 posts to catch up on! Sorry if I missed anyone! Have agreat rest of the day!5 -
Calvin2008Brian wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I'm running Grandma's Marathon in Duluth Minnesota on 6/17. W'll be running the William A. Irvin 5k the night before.
Awesome. Great race(s)!
Have you run Grandma's before? I ran it in 2010 an 2012, and did the Garry Bjorklund Half in 2014. I was training for Grandma's this spring but pulled the plug because of injury. Love that race! Good luck!!
@Calvin2008Brian do you live in that area? I'm in the Twin Cities.0 -
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mmteixeira wrote: »I need an excuse to buy more shoes!
@Elise4270 I know I need an intervention when it comes to buying new shoes - just the mere mention of "Running Warehouse" makes my credit card tremble...
Problem is, I have no idea which shoes to even look at. Newton's didn't work, saucony didn't work, Brooks eh- I'm getting a raw spot on my little toe- might be a sock issues though, Merrell- I liked the minimal shoes- not the support ones- they bind when I walk. I like my inov8's- but need a change.... I'm not keen on Nike, Asics feel like cardboard... Wait I did like new balance!
What else is left? I like trail shoes.
I think I'll hit DH up for shoes when we go to Jenks OK. Tulsa area is suppose to be big running community. My running account is 0$, kids have been using it for gas.0 -
1---3.17 walk/run ish
2---2.7 walk
3---travel day, Dallas PT
4---4.7 walk
5---rest
6---4.04 walk
7---0.6 walk
8---rest
9---state fair walk, 1+ miles
10---3.36
11---pt appointment
12---sore/rest
13---35 minutes bike trainer/2.45 TM walk/few weights
14---4.4 walk
15---4.8 walk
16---2 poké walk
17---2.1 Robbers Cave hike.
18---4.2 Rough Canyon hike (corrected)
19--- Travel home, PT.
20---1.5 poké walk
21---1k poké walk
22---3. 2 mile walk
23---rest
24---4.7 walk
25---pt/travel 1k walk
26---5.1 walk
27---4.58 walk
59.70/50+ walking miles goal. Distance guessed by phone apps.
Not Advisable races:
11/05/16 Jenks Half 5k Jenks OK (registered)
12/11/16 BMW Dallas Marathon, Half (registered)
Run the year 2016 898.42/ 2016 (DNF)
Advisable races:
March 19th 2017 RNR Half Dallas, TX
March 26th 2017 A2A 5k Ardmore, OK
April 30th 2017 OKC Memorial Marathon, Half3 -
Calvin2008Brian wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I'm running Grandma's Marathon in Duluth Minnesota on 6/17. W'll be running the William A. Irvin 5k the night before.
Awesome. Great race(s)!
Have you run Grandma's before? I ran it in 2010 an 2012, and did the Garry Bjorklund Half in 2014. I was training for Grandma's this spring but pulled the plug because of injury. Love that race! Good luck!!
It will be my first full marathon! It's also thr closest marathon to me. I live about 50 miles north of Duluth.0 -
Looks like I'm going to fall short of my running goal this month due to knee pain. Not sure what's going on but I know better than to keep trying to run through the pain. Got a walk in this morning, will do elliptical tomorrow, another walk on Saturday and then some strength training on Sunday. Mon and Tues we'll be gone so other than a few short walks that will be then end of this month's line for me.
I'm not going to miss that Turkey Trot I signed up for next month even if I can only walk the 5K. I'd be surprised at this point if I have a 10K run in my near future but you never know I guess.
10/01 – Rest Day
10/02 – 3.6 mile horse trail run with dog – AVG HR 143, High 159 on hills
10/03 – Rest Day
10/04 – 2.1 mile horse trail run with dog – testing out the new Garmin
10/05 – 3.31 miles horse trail run with dog – looks like Garmin is about 7-8 bbm higher than my Polar
10/06 – 95 min strength training
10/07 – 3.6 miles horse trail run with the dog – AVG HR 146
10/08 – Rest Day
10/09 – 4.52 miles at the park – longest run yet – AVG HR 147
10/10 – Another Rest Day……ugggghhhh
10/11 – 3.1 miles horse trail run – Fastest 5K yet – AVG HR 147
10/12 – 3.1 miles horse trail run plus a 3 mile walk this morning
10/13 – 4 mile walk along the river trail
10/14 – 95 min strength training
10/15 – Spent the day at the Aquarium of the Pacific………..lots of walking
10/16 – 4.6 mile horse trail run – AVG HR 143 but I did run one very steep hill and it got up to 160
10/17 – 100 min strength training
10/18 – 3.1 mile horse trail run – One big hill – AVG HR 136 a nice recovery zone for me I guess
10/19 – Rest Day
10/20 – Another Rest Day……….uggghhhh
10/21 – 3.1 mile park run after an 80 minute strength training session, trying to make up for the extra rest day
10/22 – Worst week ever for rest days and changes in plans………..uggghh
10/23 – 5 mile trail run – Even though I didn’t add up the miles this week I still managed my longest run and fastest 5K within that 5 miles. I’m ecstatic and surprised.
10/24 – 90 min strength training
10/25 – 2.5 mile recovery road run – AVG HR 120
10/26 – Rest day – nursing sore knee
10/27 – 3.1 mile horse trail walk including the big hill at the park. Not counted in my ticker.
So close and yet so far away!0 -
I guess today is active recovery. No chance of an early morning run and I'm at work all day. But, I get to park far away on the 4th level of a parking garage and took extra stairs on a slightly roundabout route into my building at work. Then back out the same way for lunch, and back in. I'll go that same way when the day is over. I can't run tonight because my wife gets her night out tonight. I think I'll try to fit in a longish run tomorrow based on how the next week is looking, with another on Sunday and Tuesday perhaps. Then again, I'm thinking too much about it.
@Elise4270 - For some reason reading your shoes list and the discomfort with Brooks makes me think of Altra shoes for you. Have you tried those?
Actually, I really want some Altra shoes, so that's probably the real reason I thought of them. But still, you didn't say Altra, so there you go.
I really want to pull the trigger on some Altras. I think they might be just what I need, but have no way of knowing until I try them. I just hope they don't turn out like those freaking Hoka's!
Since I have 14 pairs of shoes, 12 of which are in rotation, it is hard to make myself buy shoes. Two of those I don't like. Actually, make that 3 pair I don't like. So I am rotating through 11 pair. All I need to do now is start hating some more shoes and I will have to buy those Altras because I have no shoes left. But my wife did say something in a VERY serious tone about me buying more shoes...
...wait a minute...she said something about me buying shoes! I love that woman! Time to buy some shoes!
10/24 - Turtle!
10/25 - Cookies
10/26 - WAAH! WAAH! Sniffle!
10/27 - Altra
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RunRachelleRun wrote: »I was listening to a podcast some time ago (think it was Runner's Connect) and a PT recommended every runner rotate three pairs of shoes. The most important thing was that they all had different drops to ensure the foot/calf is always working the different muscles. Before I heard this, I thought rotation was necessary due to the foam compression.
I actually posted about this last month. I personally rotate between different types of shoes and I am sure they have different drops.
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@WhatMeRunning Altra it is then. I notice they are zero drop... That'd be great if they worked for me.
Oh I take that back- they have too much cushion. Maybe some pearl izumis....1 -
Calvin2008Brian wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »@Elise4270 Great work! Hope the achilles just needs a little extra stretching.
I was listening to a podcast some time ago (think it was Runner's Connect) and a PT recommended every runner rotate three pairs of shoes. The most important thing was that they all had different drops to ensure the foot/calf is always working the different muscles. Before I heard this, I thought rotation was necessary due to the foam compression.
Interesting. I've always rotated between like pairs, but this idea has some appeal.
Do you feel your gait varies depending on which shoes you are wearing? (Thinking mostly of heel strike vs mid-foot strike, I guess).
Heel strike vs mid/toe strike should not have to do with the shoes or their drop. It is really more about your form. If you are over striding, that will promote a heel strike. If you consciously try to have quicker feet and pushing from behind and relaxing your knee in the swing phase of your gait, then that will promote a mid/toe strike. Well that is what I believe.
Others believe to get fitted for shoes that are geared for your "natural gait". Which I personally feel is the wrong approach. I tend to believe that if your "natural gait" is promoting injury, time to fix your gait. Whether it's your mechanics or strength training, but I believe there is only so much that the shoes can do.
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@Elise4270 I think you also need to get NB, ASICS, NIKE, Inov-8, Hoka One One, Brooks, Minzuno, Saucony, Sketchers, and Under Armor shoes. Only because I know you need an excuse and I am here to feed your addiction.
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Heck, I even had a pair of Fila shoes that I got from Kohl's for only $30. Worst shoes I ever bought, but I still managed to get over 500 miles in them. Just used them in short recovery runs.1
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Sorry @Stoshew71 I never read your earlier post; must have been just before I joined the thread.
I feel a difference in my form and the way my foot lands when I wear the zero drop. I also just checked the bottoms of all of them, and the Altras are the only one with any unusual wear - right in the middle of the forefoot. I thought I landed more forward in the Altras, as the wear seems to show. Running feels easier when I wear them, so I also have to assume I am more efficient (gait or form is improved). Unfortunately, they are not my favourites. I love the Sauconys; I only wish they had more heel cushioning. My chronic plantar fasciitis seems to flare most after wearing the Sauconys.
According to the manufacturer, the Saucony Kinvara (size 9.5 - paid about $120 Cdn) are a 6.2 mm drop and the Asics Gel-Contend (size 9 D width - paid about $60 US) are a 10 mm drop. I have two pairs of Altras (both size 9 - zero drop - photo below $50 and $60 US). I bought them both from REI clearance and then snagged a second pair of each once I decided I liked them since they were a good deal. It's crazy how differently all the shoes fit, as I wear a different size or width in each brand. I can't wear New Balance or Nike because they have narrow toe boxes.
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I find the Nike shoes for the most part to be narrow period. I always have a hard time getting my feet in and out of the shoe because of that.1
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Heck, I even had a pair of Fila shoes that I got from Kohl's for only $30. Worst shoes I ever bought, but I still managed to get over 500 miles in them. Just used them in short recovery runs.
Is 500 miles a good goal for shoes? I have it set to 400 in Garmin, but I haven't been tracking that long. I've only had to retire one pair so far since I started.0 -
RunRachelleRun wrote: »Heck, I even had a pair of Fila shoes that I got from Kohl's for only $30. Worst shoes I ever bought, but I still managed to get over 500 miles in them. Just used them in short recovery runs.
Is 500 miles a good goal for shoes? I have it set to 400 in Garmin, but I haven't been tracking that long. I've only had to retire one pair so far since I started.
It is what I find necessary. They say 300-500 miles is good. I guess it is dependent on the person and the shoe.
There are some shoes that I personally got close to 600 miles on them before I retired them.
I don't have a set number per say, until, I have to retire a shoe. It goes mostly on feel. I like to get 500 miles in a shoe. And the ones that get close to that mileage, I tend to use them more for shorter mileage and use the newer ones for tough workouts and long runs.
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@lporter - your Stella is super sweet looking. There is no loser in the battle for cutest Stella
I got my hands-free bungee leash and tried it tonight. She did so great! I really loved the hands-free part, so much easier to run. We still need to work on staying beside me rather than in front, but she was really learning.
And I used some of my new handwarmers and new gloves. It was cold and raining, so I tried all the gear. My fingers stayed pretty warm. My feet on the other hand got wet - I stepped in a major puddle. Hate wet feet.
Date :::: Miles :::: Oct total (goal 50)
10/01/16 :::: 5.8 :::: 5.8
10/02/16 :::: 2.8 :::: 8.6
10/03/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 10.8
10/04/16 :::: 3.1 :::: 13.9
10/05/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 13.9
10/06/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 16.1
10/07/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 16.1
10/08/16 :::: 1.2 :::: 17.3
10/09/16 :::: 13.1 :::: 30.4
10/10/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/11/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/12/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/13/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/14/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/15/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4
10/16/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 32.6
10/17/16 :::: 1.4 :::: 33.9
10/18/16 :::: 5.4 :::: 39.3
10/19/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 39.3
10/20/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 39.3
10/21/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 39.3
10/22/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 39.3
10/23/16 :::: 5.0 :::: 44.3
10/24/16 :::: 2.0 :::: 46.3
10/25/16 :::: 5.9 :::: 52.2
10/26/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 52.2
10/27/16 :::: 1.7 :::: 54.0
Today - short run to try out the new leash and gear, but too cold and wet to do much more. I'm glad I got out there a little bit though.3 -
It is what I find necessary. They say 300-500 miles is good. I guess it is dependent on the person and the shoe.
There are some shoes that I personally got close to 600 miles on them before I retired them.
I don't have a set number per say, until, I have to retire a shoe. It goes mostly on feel. I like to get 500 miles in a shoe. And the ones that get close to that mileage, I tend to use them more for shorter mileage and use the newer ones for tough workouts and long runs.
Thanks! I would like to get 500 miles too. I'm going to try it and see how it works out.0 -
Date Miles today - Miles for October
10/1 20 miles - 20
10/2 REST DAY
10/3 8.1 miles - 28.1
10/3 5 miles - 33.1 << Daily Double
10/4 9 miles - 42.1
10/4 5 miles - 47.1 << Daily Double
10/5 5 miles - 52.1
10/6 10.5 miles - 62.6
10/7 5 miles - 67.6
10/8 17 miles - 84.6
10/9 REST DAY
10/10 13.1 miles - 97.7
10/11 9 miles - 106.7
10/11 4 miles - 110.7 << Daily Double
10/12 5 miles - 115.7
10/13 9.3 miles - 125
10/14 4 miles - 129
10/15 15 miles - 144
10/16 REST DAY
10/17 7 miles - 151
10/18 7.25 miles - 158.25
10/19 4 miles - 162.25
10/20 7 miles - 169.25
10/21 REST DAY
10/22 14 miles - 183.25
10/23 REST DAY
10/24 10 miles - 193.25 << 10 below VT
10/24 4 miles - 197.25 << Daily Double 4 below VT
10/25 9 miles - 206.25 << 6 above VT 3 below VT
10/25 5.5 miles - 211.75 << Daily Double 4 below VT
10/26 6.2 miles - 217.95 << 6.2 below VT
10/27 9.3 miles - 226.3 << 9.3 below VT
10/27 5 miles - 231.3 << Daily Double 5 below VT
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25 << 1:20:22 1 in AG & 15 OA
Huntsville Half Marathon - 11/12
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10
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On the subject of running mechanics, I have been trying to run more straight, and avoid leaning my body forward at at the hip. And I feel my calves a lot more in this newer position, is this pretty normal?0
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This whole signing up for the marathon thing has given me some great motivation to figure out new routes. I now have 16, 18, 20 and 22 mile routes mapped on Strava. Best part is, at least according to Strava, all 4 routes have more elevation than the race will.
Now I just have to keep this excitement going for another 8 months....0 -
mom3over40 wrote: »On the subject of running mechanics, I have been trying to run more straight, and avoid leaning my body forward at at the hip. And I feel my calves a lot more in this newer position, is this pretty normal?
I don't know if it's normal, but I've been feeling the same thing since trying to run straighter up1 -
mom3over40 wrote: »On the subject of running mechanics, I have been trying to run more straight, and avoid leaning my body forward at at the hip. And I feel my calves a lot more in this newer position, is this pretty normal?
I'd heard that you are, at the waist sitting on the pelvis. I had no idea what this meant until the last few days with the tension no longer insane in my abs, psoas and back.
Maybe someone else has a better explanation of it. I'm not sure how it effects your calves, wait yes I do. The whole thing pulling the chain-abs, psoas, glutes, hamstrings to the calves. If it effects pelvic tilt, it will stress muscle groups in the chain. Maybe. Disclaimer- total guess. *Shrugs*
TL:dr
If it feels good , do it.2 -
Date Miles MTD ------ ----- ------- Oct 1 6.2 6.2 Oct 2 6.5 12.7 Oct 4 4.3 17.0 Oct 5 4.3T 21.3 Oct 8 10.1 31.4 Oct 9 4.3T 35.7 Oct 12 4.6T 40.3 Oct 13 5.2T 45.5 Oct 15 6.5 52.0 Oct 16 4.3 56.3 Oct 19 4.3T 60.6 Oct 22 5.3 65.9 Oct 23 11.0 76.9 Oct 25 4.2T 81.1 Oct 26 4.3T 85.4 Oct 27 5.1T 90.5
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10/3: 6 miles
10/4: 3 miles
10/9: 26.2 miles -- Chicago Marathon
10/13: 3 miles
10/15: 3 miles
10/18: 3 miles
10/20: 4 miles
10/22: 3 miles
10/23: 6 miles
10/24: 3 miles
10/27: 4 miles
I was really hoping that today's 4 miles at a 10 pace would feel easy breezy since I felt so good during Monday's 3 miles at the same pace but no such luck today. I had a pretty busy day at work and was on my feet a lot, so by the time I got to the gym I was already tired and my right knee and shin were a little bit sore. Add on the fact that the treadmill always seems to be harder for me than running outside and you can definitely say I was struggling. I managed to squeak out 4 miles at a 10:04 pace. Oh well, I guess we all have those days.1 -
It is what I find necessary. They say 300-500 miles is good. I guess it is dependent on the person and the shoe.
There are some shoes that I personally got close to 600 miles on them before I retired them.
I wish I could get even 500 miles in a shoe! My feet actually start to fall asleep when my shoes start to wear out (usually around 300-400 miles). Sometimes my feet fall asleep if I'm not hydrated well enough, but I can usually tell the difference since it consistently happens when my shoes start to wear out until I replace them. Not sure if this is common or not. I haven't really heard of this happening to anyone else personally.
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