Is there any such thing as carb sensitivity?
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I'd struggle stopping at 1/2 a muffin, the other half wouldn't make it to the end of the day..
Personally if i couldn't eat a whole muffin or quest bar etc etc I'd prefer not to bother at all. That's just me though
My willpower just isn't that strong. 0 -
I think the solution to the whole problem for the OP, drop the muffins. Low satiety and highly caloric because it's loaded with fats and carbs. Replace it with more foods that are high in protein, fiber and mix in fat as necessary. I don't see how this is a carb vs fat problem, but rather a choice of food. When I am in a cut, i rarely eat ice cream or Klondike bars. Why because they don't fill me. So I replace them with fruit and cool whip. The later has a lot more volume and high satiety levels.
I disagree. Why not have a half muffin, or even quarter the muffin, and save the rest for another day?
There is still potential for the OP to run into the same problem. I have no issue with incorporting treats but its obvious it wont work often for the OP. If the choice is based on compliance and satiety, then i doubt keep muffins in her diet often ia going to work. Or ahe can find another muffin recipe that is protein heavy. I have been trying some from http://www.theproteinchef.co0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'd struggle stopping at 1/2 a muffin, the other half wouldn't make it to the end of the day..
Personally if i couldn't eat a whole muffin or quest bar etc etc I'd prefer not to bother at all. That's just me though My willpower just isn't that strong.
I am the same as you. Half of muffin isnt worth my time.2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'd struggle stopping at 1/2 a muffin, the other half wouldn't make it to the end of the day..
Personally if i couldn't eat a whole muffin or quest bar etc etc I'd prefer not to bother at all. That's just me though My willpower just isn't that strong.I think the solution to the whole problem for the OP, drop the muffins. Low satiety and highly caloric because it's loaded with fats and carbs. Replace it with more foods that are high in protein, fiber and mix in fat as necessary. I don't see how this is a carb vs fat problem, but rather a choice of food. When I am in a cut, i rarely eat ice cream or Klondike bars. Why because they don't fill me. So I replace them with fruit and cool whip. The later has a lot more volume and high satiety levels.
I disagree. Why not have a half muffin, or even quarter the muffin, and save the rest for another day?
There is still potential for the OP to run into the same problem. I have no issue with incorporting treats but its obvious it wont work often for the OP. If the choice is based on compliance and satiety, then i doubt keep muffins in her diet often ia going to work. Or ahe can find another muffin recipe that is protein heavy. I have been trying some from http://www.theproteinchef.co
Understood.
But, I too, never thought I could moderate the carb/sweet foods, until I gave it a try. But, to each their own. 0 -
Chunkahlunkah wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »AngeleyesJo wrote: »AngeleyesJo wrote: »I think my meals could be a but carb heavy and my snacks sweet, maybe just need to adjust my diet but not sure how?
Angel, you would adjust macros in your meals for satiety only. Macro adjustment does not directly cause weight loss. It's the dietary plan that keeps you full enough to stay in a calorie deficit that does.
This is what I'm hoping to achieve since I've been having wobbles with blood sugar like constant hunger shakes weakness feeling sick
Maybe try logging when you are feeling that way and then looking over it. Could be meal timing, although I'd probably try including protein with all snacks and meals (the muffin would have been low protein, probably). Also, like ksharma, I am find with carbs in general but do find baked goods particularly non filling (although they don't make me feel hungry). They might end up being a snack that doesn't work for you.
To the bold part - I'm jealous! It stuns me that people can eat baked goods and NOT feel more hungry afterwards. I guess it sounds as odd on the other side, that it makes us feel hungrier.
This is a pattern I've observed in myself since my early teens.
My body does not react to blood sugar spikes the same as yours does, that's for sure.
For me, I need to eat the right ratios to not trigger a blood sugar spike which then makes me hungry. So if I eat carbs, I can often be ok so long as the carb is high fiber. Not always though.
And if it's not high fiber, I *need* protein with it.
The more sugar/carbs I eat at once, the more protein/fiber/fat that I need to offset it. Consequently, I've learned to just limit the amount of sugar/carbs I eat at once bc too much at once means I need a whole lot of other foods to offset that spike. I can have a big appetite, but it's not big enough to want to eat *that* much food at once!
Wow, imagining being able to freely eat carbs without them triggering an appetite increase is blowing my mind bc it's so not what my life has been. I'd be able to eat quite differently and no longer need the adaptations I've leaned.
My system reacts the same way. I can have sugary things in combination with protein and fiber to make it lower glycemic. Then it digests a bit slower, and I don't get the "sugar crave/sugar crash/repeat cycle that I would if I had something sweet in isolation.
A sweet muffin in the morning would start that cycle early for me, and I would be "fake hungry" soon after eating it. Then I would fight the craving, be miserable, and feel fatigued if I didn't go for more high carb. It is not fun. So I'd rather avoid the muffin or whatever and choose something that doesn't set a bad tone for the day.
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I think the solution to the whole problem for the OP, drop the muffins. Low satiety and highly caloric because it's loaded with fats and carbs. Replace it with more foods that are high in protein, fiber and mix in fat as necessary. I don't see how this is a carb vs fat problem, but rather a choice of food. When I am in a cut, i rarely eat ice cream or Klondike bars. Why because they don't fill me. So I replace them with fruit and cool whip. The later has a lot more volume and high satiety levels.
I disagree. Why not have a half muffin, or even quarter the muffin, and save the rest for another day?
That would work for me if there was an egg or protein with it as a meal and the muffin was low carb and had fiber in it, though. But for someone who gets a sugary muffin who has problems with sugar, even 1/2 muffin in isolation could start up the hungries.1 -
Let's call a spade a spade. It sounds like this was a grocery store muffin (or similar). Those aren't really muffins; they're cake in a different shape. Pretty much empty calories. And those tend to leave people hungry.
I don't see any need to give up muffins. But maybe consider making some actual muffins (which, when done properly, are actually pretty healthy - full of fibre and other nutrients)? Or treat the store bought muffins as you'd treat cake, portioning accordingly.2 -
True SusanMFindlay. Most muffins are really cupcakes in disguise.2
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
How many calories are you eating a day, and what is your height and weight?
Skinless fish and boiled veg don't have many calories.
You may just literally be hungry.
As for carb sensitivity, I think it affects some people drastically and they are forced to join closed groups on MFP and Facebook.
I'm 5 ft tall and weigh 144 pounds, have lost two stones but now seem to be struggling closer to target weight, I eat about 1600 to 1700 calories
5 ft? Hmm, that's my maintenance calorie limit and I'm 5 ft 9.5 inches.
You might need to reset MFP to adjust for the weight you've lost. It's supposed to recalculate your limit every 10 lbs you lose, but it never did for me. I had to change my weekly goal higher then back lower every 10 lbs I lost.
Also, did the event in the OP only happen once? As I said above, you may have just been hungry.0 -
I thought a cupcake was just a muffin with frosting.4
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
Ah BTW, I gave a quick look to the bolded study:
it is "Supported by a grant from the Inflammation Research Foundation"
That foundation is just ... dr Barry Sears:
http://www.inflammationresearchfoundation.org/about-us/about-dr-sears/
(who in fact coauthored the study)1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.4 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
Ah BTW, I gave a quick look to the bolded study:
it is "Supported by a grant from the Inflammation Research Foundation"
That foundation is just ... dr Barry Sears:
http://www.inflammationresearchfoundation.org/about-us/about-dr-sears/
(who in fact coauthored the study)
Is this any different than Nusi or Atkins funding studies?1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
No problem. You don't have to buy the tee shirts, "bro".0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
This might come as a shock to you, but highly educated people can still enjoy silly, funny things.2 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
I guess you aren't in the fitness community often. There are a lot of jokes. No different than any other community.1 -
I watched the whole video psulemon posted upthread. It is a balanced view, IMO, including pros and cons.1
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I think the solution to the whole problem for the OP, drop the muffins. Low satiety and highly caloric because it's loaded with fats and carbs. Replace it with more foods that are high in protein, fiber and mix in fat as necessary. I don't see how this is a carb vs fat problem, but rather a choice of food. When I am in a cut, i rarely eat ice cream or Klondike bars. Why because they don't fill me. So I replace them with fruit and cool whip. The later has a lot more volume and high satiety levels.
I disagree. Why not have a half muffin, or even quarter the muffin, and save the rest for another day?
Many times I do a small muffin or half of a larger muffin with scrambled eggs in the morning and I stay full.
If one likes muffins, there is no need to "drop them" from your diet. Just eat them sensibly and work them into your day.1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
Because smart people can't enjoy a humorous t-shirt? I don't really follow your logic here.0
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