Is there any such thing as carb sensitivity?
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AngeleyesJo
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I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
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You didn't say what your symptoms are....but there is most definitely a thing as carb sensitivity - but honestly, if you're feeling sensitive, you're probably not even close to being diabetic (type 2). You might get a blood test. I know if I ate a muffin, I could get very sick from the sugar because I have short gut syndrome (mostly cold sweats, feeling weak - I'm usually ok if I lay down for an hour). We are also generally more carb sensitive in the morning...1
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I feel a hunger that doesn't really go away, I'm sometimes hungry after eating, can feel sick with hunger at times1
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Thanks it's really puzzling me too, hopefully can get some good info0
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I get this too! I do intermittent fasting to help it because i just stay hungry if I eat small meals...i finish eating and then a half hour to an hour later...i need to eat again. the worst is before bed.1
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It was probably just tasty and you wanted more...
Your potatoes and veg were also carbs...6 -
Are you eating enough fat and oils: butter, mayo, full fat dairy, tofu, dark meat chicken, tuna, salmon?1
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The fats I eat are very little, I use coconut oil or frylight spray and rarely have butter or margarine0
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »I feel a hunger that doesn't really go away, I'm sometimes hungry after eating, can feel sick with hunger at times
Oh I see. I'm sorry, I didn't recognize that was the symptom. I think it's fairly common. Happens all the time with Chinese food (heavy carbs / noodles).
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Thanks for your reply0
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
Chart what you're eatig and when you're having cravings. You might find a connection.
Sugar and some fats trigger cravings for me, as does the lack of carbs in my diet. Many people who eat low carb diets find that carbs trigger (and fats shut down) cravings.2 -
AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
It could have been any ingredient in the muffin and not necessarily the sugar/carbs (pretty much the same thing).
You'd eaten a good dinner. Maybe a whole muffin was too much for you after a good dinner. Cut it in half next time to see how you react.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »It was probably just tasty and you wanted more...
Your potatoes and veg were also carbs...
And this too.1 -
There is a biological reason that some people and I say some people because our bodies have 2 different ways of burning fuel. If you are a sugar burner (your diet is mostly carbohydrate (50% as recommended by the ADA), then you will be unable to loose fat unless you greatly reduce your total calories which will make you so hungry you will eat anything to stop that sensation. If you are a fat burner, which I am, you will eat 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. You see, I am carb sensitive. Some humans have carbohydrate intolerance and gain weight and get diabetes usually near their 40-50 age groups. Well for us its biological. If you eat carbs (they all contain sugar, but things without extreme high levels of fibre are the same as eating sugar from the bowl) your pancreas releases insulin (the fat storage hormone) and insulin attaches itself to a cell wall and that tells the cell to allow the sugar in. If your cells get bombarded with insulin frequently (the SAD diet recommends eating frequently which means insulin is always bombarding the cell wall) they can become resistant to insulins demeans and the pancreas now has to release more insulin into the blood to get that sugar into cells. If this continues, eventually the pancreas stops producing insulin. Voila you have made your self a diabetic. So for some of us, we need to keep as far away from carbs as possible. And the most fabulous part of this fantastic lifestyle is the profound satiety. And I mean profound. I had been hungry all my life. I dieted for many years, exist on the SAD diet but was oh so hungry all the time. This constant demand of the brain for sugar is exhausting and consumed most of my waking hours. Recently I learned the science that when you reduce the amount and volume of insulin entering your blood stream, then your body accesses your body fat for fuel and breaks down the fat into tryglycerides which then get converted into Ketones which is a highly prized nutrient for the brain and the rest of the body cells. Fat is one of the most important nutrients in our body. Every cell wall needs it. The brain is 50% fat. The recent science is clear, 70% of our society has become insulin resistant and are on their way to Diabetes. Now the science on Carbs. OK so you love your sugar, thats what carbs are. I get it. A muffin is more attractive than bacon. Well maybe not more attractive but the science is saying more addictive. When you eat sugar (carbs especially highly processed foods and high fructose drinks) insulin must be secreted by the pancreas, this locks down fat. Remember this "Insulin is the fat storage hormone". If your diet is very high in carbohydrates and you have eaten a meal which is high in them then insulin tries to get it into your cells but if, there is no space left in those cells because your diet is full of carbs then the sugar gets sent back to the liver which will convert it into tryglycerides and will put a droplet of that fat into your liver and then export the rest into your fat cells. Over time your liver becomes fatty. This then leads to multiple other conditions, heart disease, aches pains and Alzheimers. If you feed sugar to mice they die at an alarming rate. Sugar has no nutrients at all Grant it some carbs do have a number of nutrients but are packaged with a high amount of sugar, whereas fat and protein are essential nutrients. Look this up. Carbohydrates are not a essential nutrient for life. In order for humans to evolve, for 2.5 million years, we ate meat and fat. In other wards, the animal, from tail to nose. Until, 10 thousand years ago, grains where cultivated and we changed our diet from meat and fat to more than 50% grain based. Studies of this era of mummies, reveal startling information. They got fat, heart disease, diabetes, kidney failure, etc. You see many vessels in our bodies are being destroyed by this constant bombardment of sugar, leading to diabetes, kidney failure, blindness and the disease they are now calling Diabetes # 3 Alzheimers. Scientist think, that man has not evolved to tolerate that huge amount of sugar that is in our diets. They believe we where fat burners and when we came across a small hand full of sugar (berries) their liver evolved to use it. (The liver processes 50% of all sugars) Fat has the greatest number of calories and my brain and cells need it, so it would make sense on an evolutionary bases to eat as much as I could. Athletes know that you can only store about 1500 - 2000 calories of glycogen in their muscles, so if you where an early man you would run out of fuel about one hour into running after an antelope. Early man was a fat burner, he burned fat all day long and used the huge amount of fat on his body to run for a long time till animals got over heated and stopped running and we then killed them. Man has something that makes him able to run a long time without stopping. He sweats, and animals cannot do this. They pant and get overheated and exhausted and then stop running. Because we could sweat, and burn fat, we humans survived. I don't believe and neither do scientists, that we have evolved long enough to be healthy on sugar. Oh some of you out their can, which is only about 15-20% of our society. You can eat CARB-AGE you never get fat and you may not get sick in the long term, but many of us have and look around you folks, the obesity rate in this Country is staggering. Many are pre-diabetic and Diabetic. So I will continue on my LCHF diet now for the rest of my life for the benefits I have found. I have lost 47 pounds, reduced my blood sugars, (as a consequence reduced my cell walls from insulin exposure), took away my hunger completely (what a relief), improved my mood and gave me a clarity of thinking I have never known. Stopped my joints from aching so I no longer take pain meds. Improved all my heart markers, sleep better now than in my 20's, and of course I look good in skinny jeans. Because I am carb intolerant then I can't go back to eating muffins, pasta, mashed potatoes, beans and rice. And if only for satiety and weight loss it would be enough but the benefits go way beyond that and for me, I will be in Nutritional Ketosis for life.3
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Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?0
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How can I try the LCHF diet?0
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?
Please be aware it's not exactly accuarate. Carbs don't cause fat storage, an energy surplus does; meaning that you must eat more calories than you burn to store fat. The body actually is constantly storing fat and breaking down fat throughout the day. Over an extended period of time, the net effect of those actions will determine if you gain, maintain or lose weight. What that person doesn't realize is this (because it's no advertised or discussed in many parts of the low carb community); your body can store fat no matter how many or how little carbs you eat. High amounts of dietary fat cause your body to release enzymes such as Acylation Stimulating Protein which will inhibit Hormone Sensitive Lipase (HSL). HSL is your fat burning hormone. When you eat carbs, your pancrease does release insulin which releases the enzyme lipoprotein lipase (LPL) which also inhibits HSL. When you eat both carbs + fat, glucose-dependent insulintrophic peptide inhibits HSL. Meaning, it doesn't matter if you have high or low insulin, your body can store fat. Also, lipogensis (the storage of nutrients) is inhibited not shut down after a meal.
Also, diabetes, alzheimers, cancer, etc.. are highly linked to genetics, obesity and inactivity. None are linked to carbs. Also, the nonsense about if you eat more than 50% carbs being unable to lose fat is ridiculous. I eat 50% of my calories from carbs and have lost over 50 lbs (in fact, I am about 16% body fat now). It would almost mean that almost all vegans/vegetarians would be fat. And we all know that is untrue.
Also, if you look at the isocaloric and euprotein, there is no difference in fat loss between the groups. The benefit to low carb is purely dietary adherence, which this largely depends on if fat is filling to you. For me, starches and carbs are more filling than fats. But if lchf is appealing to you, i would suggest the below group.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
And lastly, muffins are a combination of fats, carbs and salt... not exactly a very filling item. If satiety is a concern look at higher protein, fiber and figure out if carbs or fats fill you up.
ETA: Some people do have issues with carbs. So playing around with your macros is going to be important throughout your weight loss journey. Also, make sure your calorie and macro goals support your overall body goals.15 -
MonicaRAmbs wrote: »There is a biological reason that some people and I say some people because our bodies have 2 different ways of burning fuel. If you are a sugar burner (your diet is mostly carbohydrate (50% as recommended by the ADA), then you will be unable to loose fat unless you greatly reduce your total calories which will make you so hungry you will eat anything to stop that sensation. If you are a fat burner, which I am, you will eat 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. You see, I am carb sensitive. Some humans have carbohydrate intolerance and gain weight and get diabetes usually near their 40-50 age groups. Well for us its biological. If you eat carbs (they all contain sugar, but things without extreme high levels of fibre are the same as eating sugar from the bowl) your pancreas releases insulin (the fat storage hormone) and insulin attaches itself to a cell wall and that tells the cell to allow the sugar in. If your cells get bombarded with insulin frequently (the SAD diet recommends eating frequently which means insulin is always bombarding the cell wall) they can become resistant to insulins demeans and the pancreas now has to release more insulin into the blood to get that sugar into cells. If this continues, eventually the pancreas stops producing insulin. Voila you have made your self a diabetic. So for some of us, we need to keep as far away from carbs as possible. And the most fabulous part of this fantastic lifestyle is the profound satiety. And I mean profound. I had been hungry all my life. I dieted for many years, exist on the SAD diet but was oh so hungry all the time. This constant demand of the brain for sugar is exhausting and consumed most of my waking hours. Recently I learned the science that when you reduce the amount and volume of insulin entering your blood stream, then your body accesses your body fat for fuel and breaks down the fat into tryglycerides which then get converted into Ketones which is a highly prized nutrient for the brain and the rest of the body cells. Fat is one of the most important nutrients in our body. Every cell wall needs it. The brain is 50% fat. The recent science is clear, 70% of our society has become insulin resistant and are on their way to Diabetes. Now the science on Carbs. OK so you love your sugar, thats what carbs are. I get it. A muffin is more attractive than bacon. Well maybe not more attractive but the science is saying more addictive. When you eat sugar (carbs especially highly processed foods and high fructose drinks) insulin must be secreted by the pancreas, this locks down fat. Remember this "Insulin is the fat storage hormone". If your diet is very high in carbohydrates and you have eaten a meal which is high in them then insulin tries to get it into your cells but if, there is no space left in those cells because your diet is full of carbs then the sugar gets sent back to the liver which will convert it into tryglycerides and will put a droplet of that fat into your liver and then export the rest into your fat cells. Over time your liver becomes fatty. This then leads to multiple other conditions, heart disease, aches pains and Alzheimers. If you feed sugar to mice they die at an alarming rate. Sugar has no nutrients at all Grant it some carbs do have a number of nutrients but are packaged with a high amount of sugar, whereas fat and protein are essential nutrients. Look this up. Carbohydrates are not a essential nutrient for life. In order for humans to evolve, for 2.5 million years, we ate meat and fat. In other wards, the animal, from tail to nose. Until, 10 thousand years ago, grains where cultivated and we changed our diet from meat and fat to more than 50% grain based. Studies of this era of mummies, reveal startling information. They got fat, heart disease, diabetes, kidney failure, etc. You see many vessels in our bodies are being destroyed by this constant bombardment of sugar, leading to diabetes, kidney failure, blindness and the disease they are now calling Diabetes # 3 Alzheimers. Scientist think, that man has not evolved to tolerate that huge amount of sugar that is in our diets. They believe we where fat burners and when we came across a small hand full of sugar (berries) their liver evolved to use it. (The liver processes 50% of all sugars) Fat has the greatest number of calories and my brain and cells need it, so it would make sense on an evolutionary bases to eat as much as I could. Athletes know that you can only store about 1500 - 2000 calories of glycogen in their muscles, so if you where an early man you would run out of fuel about one hour into running after an antelope. Early man was a fat burner, he burned fat all day long and used the huge amount of fat on his body to run for a long time till animals got over heated and stopped running and we then killed them. Man has something that makes him able to run a long time without stopping. He sweats, and animals cannot do this. They pant and get overheated and exhausted and then stop running. Because we could sweat, and burn fat, we humans survived. I don't believe and neither do scientists, that we have evolved long enough to be healthy on sugar. Oh some of you out their can, which is only about 15-20% of our society. You can eat CARB-AGE you never get fat and you may not get sick in the long term, but many of us have and look around you folks, the obesity rate in this Country is staggering. Many are pre-diabetic and Diabetic. So I will continue on my LCHF diet now for the rest of my life for the benefits I have found. I have lost 47 pounds, reduced my blood sugars, (as a consequence reduced my cell walls from insulin exposure), took away my hunger completely (what a relief), improved my mood and gave me a clarity of thinking I have never known. Stopped my joints from aching so I no longer take pain meds. Improved all my heart markers, sleep better now than in my 20's, and of course I look good in skinny jeans. Because I am carb intolerant then I can't go back to eating muffins, pasta, mashed potatoes, beans and rice. And if only for satiety and weight loss it would be enough but the benefits go way beyond that and for me, I will be in Nutritional Ketosis for life.
I never comment on posting style, but it would be very beneficial if you broke your narrative down into readable paragraphs. Please.
At this juncture, I have only two things to say:
1. How many carbs you eat or do not eat has nothing to do with weight loss. Setting aside water weight, which naturally fluctuates, and medical conditions, you must eat less calories than you burn to lose weight. Macro split of carbs is preference only.
2. Please post some peer reviewed articles to back up your claims where you talk about research.
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Are you sleeping at least 7-8 hrs a night? This has shown to increase hunger if you're not getting enough sleep. Also drinking water helps along with the suggestions above.1
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?
Here is the low carb group. Instead of potatoes they eat larger portions of veggies and add more oil, avocados, cheese, sour cream.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group3
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