Low Carb (no carb) diet help??
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Yes but its harder to go over your calorie limits without feeling satisfied eating tons of vegetables aslong as your not an idiot piling high calorie toppings on things and telling yourself its low calorie because its a vegetable, Or whatever XD Are you really tryign to argue veggies dont fill you up and satisfy your body??
Where did i ever say you cant lose weight on processed crap? Or veggies cant make you fat?
Specifically gave a suggestion on how to feel more nourished and happy sticking to a diet that doesnt cut out an entire necessary part.-1 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Are you really tryign to argue veggies dont fill you up and satisfy your body??
I believe that many of the people who find low carb/keto helpful say that's so for them, yes. It seems that some find fat more satiating and some do not. (I don't, I do find fruit, veg, legumes, and tubers satiating, and also protein.)
So while I find vegetables quite filling (whether processed or not (i.e., frozen, precut, cooked) -- I hate this idea that "processed" means something it does not or that processed food must be "junk food" or not healthful), I don't assume others do. I'd also point out that plenty of processed foods have a lot of fat in it, of course (cheese or butter, for example, is basically all fat, and the typical junk food item about about half fat, half carbs), it's hardly a carb-specific term.
Anyway, my understanding is that beyond the satiating properties of fat, to some, or the non-satiating properties of vegetables to some of the same people, being in ketosis can be helpful for some who struggle with appetite. Obviously one can be in ketosis and still eat some vegetables, so I am not recommending cutting OUT carbs. I think that would be an extreme and generally unhealthful choice, unless there were some specific medical reason for it.0 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Yes but its harder to go over your calorie limits without feeling satisfied eating tons of vegetables aslong as your not an idiot piling high calorie toppings on things and telling yourself its low calorie because its a vegetable, Or whatever XD Are you really tryign to argue veggies dont fill you up and satisfy your body??
This generalization is not true for everyone - me specifically just as an example. I can eat veggies until I am literally gorged and feel too full to move, and a couple of hours later I will be hungry again and have to eat more. Now if you were to lightly saute those veggies in butter or coconut oil and then melt cheese over them just before serving and I can eat less than half the amount and I will not get hungry for several hours. Same goes for starches - by themselves, eat until I'm stuffed and be hungry an hour later, but put some good fats/protein into the mix and I can eat a lot less and not get hungry afterwards.2 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »...Are you really tryign to argue veggies dont fill you up and satisfy your body??
I'll bite on that one: Yes, I'll say that veggies don't fill me up and satisfy me. I find a meal consisting entirely of vegetables to be extremely unsatiating - I'm left afterwards with an empty feeling in my stomach just as if I'd tried to drink a bunch of water to fill myself up rather than eating food. I love vegetables as part of my meals and I eat them often, but I need proteins and fats (e.g., meat) to feel full and satisfied. I wouldn't last two days on a vegan diet, I'd be eating the drywall off the kitchen walls around me. Satiety is a very individual thing.JaydedMiss wrote: »...Specifically gave a suggestion on how to feel more nourished and happy sticking to a diet that doesnt cut out an entire necessary part.
So you recommend that the OP avoid a restrictive diet (keto) and substitute it with an equally or more restrictive diet (vegan)? Insightful.4 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
Yes. It is my experience and there are many references to it on the Internet. Google low carb and thyroid. There are many references for women who initially have good success with Paleo and then begin to gain. Google low carb and hormones. I wasn't aware of these issues until my doctor brought it to my attention. I had no previous health issues until I ate low carb for some time. I now eat lower carb. Each day, I have vegetables and occasionally, I eat fruit.
I am not telling the OP not to do low-carb. I just want her to be an informed low-carb dieter.
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I don't think that a steady 2lb a week weight loss since February is water. Neither is this diet restrictive: i can eat meat, including bacon, sausages, liver and other organ meats, game, fish and sea food, dairy including lots of cheese (parmesan, cheddar, mozzarella, cream, etc), nuts, seeds, vegetables, fruit. I can make a pizza, cookies, cakes, muffins, etc. I can eat cream, mayo, bpc, coconut and olive oil, butter, avocados. I have gall bladder problems but this sort of good fat doesn't cause me any discomfort. I eat 30 grams total carbs every day.
You can eat fruit and make pizza, cookies, cakes, etc...in very, very small quantities and not on a routine basis if you're eating 30 grams total carbs...if you're restricting an entire macro, by default it's a restrictive diet...get real...do you even dictionary?1 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Im on a high carb vegan diet....Carbs arent the enemy. Its all the processed crap often found in high carb food. Focus on eating more naturally whole food and youll be better off any happier thn just cutting out an entire energy source. Carbs are fuel.
Carbs aren't the enemy, that is correct...but my diet consists largely of whole foods and I can easily gain weight doing that...there are any number of calorie dense whole foods...granted it's a lot harder to overeat but it's very possible...I'm trying to drop 8-10 Lbs I've gained over the past 16 weeks or so that I've been hampered in my ability to exercise...the fact that I eat primarily whole foods didn't change the fact that I was in a surplus the last 16 weeks.
Also, IMO being vegan is more restrictive than keto...and it requires much more knowledge about nutrition to actually get what your body needs.4 -
I have insulin resistance. Meaning, I am almost pre-diabetic, but have recently lost 24 lbs in the past few months and have lowered my chances of transitioning to full blown diabetes. Right now, I am finding heavy carbs of ANY kind tricky. Not bread or processed carbs, not fruit so much, but things like potatoes, rice and beans. They seem to make me tired and dizzy. So i know they are skyrocketing my blood sugars. I am trying to figure out what to do, as those are my basic go to's . I like quinoa and other grains, but not as much as rice and rice pasta. It's a tricky thing for some people. I know that "healthy" carbs can be bad for those with insulin resistance. I've heard it from several cardiologist who specialize in diabetes.0
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JaydedMiss wrote: »...Are you really tryign to argue veggies dont fill you up and satisfy your body??
I'll bite on that one: Yes, I'll say that veggies don't fill me up and satisfy me. I find a meal consisting entirely of vegetables to be extremely unsatiating - I'm left afterwards with an empty feeling in my stomach just as if I'd tried to drink a bunch of water to fill myself up rather than eating food. I love vegetables as part of my meals and I eat them often, but I need proteins and fats (e.g., meat) to feel full and satisfied. I wouldn't last two days on a vegan diet, I'd be eating the drywall off the kitchen walls around me. Satiety is a very individual thing.JaydedMiss wrote: »...Specifically gave a suggestion on how to feel more nourished and happy sticking to a diet that doesnt cut out an entire necessary part.
So you recommend that the OP avoid a restrictive diet (keto) and substitute it with an equally or more restrictive diet (vegan)? Insightful.
Fair enough i still dont see whats so bad about suggesting they add stuff to their diet instead of subtracting. Pretty basic long term weight loss info. Id be doing them a dishonor if i didnt recomend this seeing as taking away all carbs is not sustainable long term however adding tons of veggies is.
I never suggsted a vegan lifestyle XD funny you guys keep reading into my words when all i said was add lots of vegetables vs subrtacting all carbs XD0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »JaydedMiss wrote: »Im on a high carb vegan diet....Carbs arent the enemy. Its all the processed crap often found in high carb food. Focus on eating more naturally whole food and youll be better off any happier thn just cutting out an entire energy source. Carbs are fuel.
Carbs aren't the enemy, that is correct...but my diet consists largely of whole foods and I can easily gain weight doing that...there are any number of calorie dense whole foods...granted it's a lot harder to overeat but it's very possible...I'm trying to drop 8-10 Lbs I've gained over the past 16 weeks or so that I've been hampered in my ability to exercise...the fact that I eat primarily whole foods didn't change the fact that I was in a surplus the last 16 weeks.
Also, IMO being vegan is more restrictive than keto...and it requires much more knowledge about nutrition to actually get what your body needs.
Yeah, Again thats why i wasnt saying "go vegan" Just "add whole natural foods instead of restricting an entire essential nutrient source" ...I just said i was a vegan not once did i say anything about the OP should go vegan XD It fit into the convo because of the high carb vegan part....convo about carbs....geddit
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.
I have pcos and do just fine on high carb. Doctor told me to not do high carb, For me personally anyway i swear it made it worse XD Definatly listen to doctors though obviously...Just fun fact. Also know a few others who went against doctors orders and are also doing much beter. I even got a proper period once i started high carb instead of low carb and my skin cleared.0 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.
I have pcos and do just fine on high carb. Doctor told me to not do high carb, For me personally anyway i swear it made it worse XD Definatly listen to doctors though obviously...Just fun fact. Also know a few others who went against doctors orders and are also doing much beter. I even got a proper period once i started high carb instead of low carb and my skin cleared.
Ignoring doctors advice is not a good suggestion at all!4 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.
A quick Google search gave me this:
https://authoritynutrition.com/low-carb-and-womens-hormones/
(Surely AU is not an anti low carb site)0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »JaydedMiss wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.
I have pcos and do just fine on high carb. Doctor told me to not do high carb, For me personally anyway i swear it made it worse XD Definatly listen to doctors though obviously...Just fun fact. Also know a few others who went against doctors orders and are also doing much beter. I even got a proper period once i started high carb instead of low carb and my skin cleared.
Ignoring doctors advice is not a good suggestion at all!
Actually when it comes to nutrition ignoring a general practitioners advice can be very beneficial whereas listening to a dietician is more appropriate
Front line medics are as susceptible to media driven "knowledge" as the next man it seems..and they want to give an easy grasp route to weight loss...and low carb is by its nature an easy grasp approach to calorie reduction
Many with PCOS succeed without adopting a low carb approach (many succeed with) ..there is no direct scientific consensus, just blogosphere and received wisdom for this dietary approach
Losing weight is the key ..And progressive resistance1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »JaydedMiss wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Women do not do as well on low-carb diets. I did a low-carb diet and lost weight but developed adrenal/thyroid problems. That resolved after I added back some carbs. Eat healthy vegetables and occasional low-sugar fruits too so that you do not stress your body or develop carb sensitivities. Drink plenty of water if you are going the meat, egg, cheese version of low-carb.
I don't believe this generalization is true. Is this your personal opinion or is it based upon something that we could look at as well? Thanks.
I'm not sure if we can really generalize, but I also noticed that people who experience problems on low carb seem to be mostly women. I guess they are more sensitive to hormones' changes.
I've not noticed that. I thought it was the reverse since problems like PCOS are improved by LCHF diets.
I have pcos and do just fine on high carb. Doctor told me to not do high carb, For me personally anyway i swear it made it worse XD Definatly listen to doctors though obviously...Just fun fact. Also know a few others who went against doctors orders and are also doing much beter. I even got a proper period once i started high carb instead of low carb and my skin cleared.
Ignoring doctors advice is not a good suggestion at all!
Actually when it comes to nutrition ignoring a general practitioners advice can be very beneficial whereas listening to a dietician is more appropriate
Front line medics are as susceptible to media driven "knowledge" as the next man it seems..and they want to give an easy grasp route to weight loss...and low carb is by its nature an easy grasp approach to calorie reduction
Many with PCOS succeed without adopting a low carb approach (many succeed with) ..there is no direct scientific consensus, just blogosphere and received wisdom for this dietary approach
Losing weight is the key ..And progressive resistance
I agree with you to some extent but to write " Ignore your doctor" on a public forum would not be responsible. Although the collective knowledge on here can be great, there a lot of ill informed people and those that will follow blindly.
My revised advise would be to do your own research or seek a second opinion from a specialist.0 -
I have lost 55 pounds by counting my calories an eating carbs so don't make yourself miserable.1
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