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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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janejellyroll wrote: »NARCISSISTIC_PUP wrote: »Think people use 'flu' too much, over exaggerating common colds
No need for flu jabs, suck it up
Too many hypochondriacs kicking around
In recent years, an estimated 12,000-56,000 people have died each year in the US of influenza. Or do you also chalk that up to hypochondria?
The problem is no one is tracking deaths from the flu...at all. So we don't know how many people do or don't die from it much less whthervflu shots have had any impact.
The CDC does an estimate each year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
Is your argument that since it's only an estimate nobody has actually died? Because I was responding to someone who said that people should "suck it up" and that it was an issue of hypochondria.
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »NARCISSISTIC_PUP wrote: »Think people use 'flu' too much, over exaggerating common colds
No need for flu jabs, suck it up
Too many hypochondriacs kicking around
In recent years, an estimated 12,000-56,000 people have died each year in the US of influenza. Or do you also chalk that up to hypochondria?
The problem is no one is tracking deaths from the flu...at all. So we don't know how many people do or don't die from it much less whthervflu shots have had any impact.
The CDC does an estimate each year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
Is your argument that since it's only an estimate nobody has actually died? Because I was responding to someone who said that people should "suck it up" and that it was an issue of hypochondria.
No my argument is because no one is tracking flu cases or deaths, we have no idea whether the flu shot is effective or not. I am aware the CDC estimates deaths but the estimating process they use is pretty rubbish. It's the same here in the UK.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »NARCISSISTIC_PUP wrote: »Think people use 'flu' too much, over exaggerating common colds
No need for flu jabs, suck it up
Too many hypochondriacs kicking around
In recent years, an estimated 12,000-56,000 people have died each year in the US of influenza. Or do you also chalk that up to hypochondria?
The problem is no one is tracking deaths from the flu...at all. So we don't know how many people do or don't die from it much less whthervflu shots have had any impact.
The CDC does an estimate each year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
Is your argument that since it's only an estimate nobody has actually died? Because I was responding to someone who said that people should "suck it up" and that it was an issue of hypochondria.
No my argument is because no one is tracking flu cases or deaths, we have no idea whether the flu shot is effective or not. I am aware the CDC estimates deaths but the estimating process they use is pretty rubbish. It's the same here in the UK.
But I was responding to someone who said people should just "suck it up" and that is was an issue of hypochondria. That is what I was responding to -- not making a case that the flu vaccine is effective (I think the case can be made, it just wasn't what I was saying in that post).
Do you agree with that statement about "sucking it up"? If not, I'm not sure what you're wanting to discuss. Presumably we can agree that even if the CDC estimate is inaccurate, people still die due to the flu and "sucking it up" isn't an option for everyone.1 -
Hmm I'm not sure either now. Because I do agree that the suck it up, hypochondriac thing is incorrect.0
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I suspect anyone who thinks people with flu are hypochondriacs who should suck it up,has probably never had real flu.
I agree that there are some who have maybe a fluey cold who claim to have flu. Real flu,however,is pretty nasty even for healthy people.6 -
When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.5
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
There is no muddling through the work day with the flu, the flu hits you fast and hard! It's like getting hit by a Mack truck. The last time I had the flu, my doc asked me why didn't I come in earlier to see her but I was so completely out of it.1 -
My wife get a flu shot every year for the 25% of it that's worth having.0
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Yep, I get the flu shot every year now! The flu sucks!0
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I'm a chronic asthmatic with pre-emphysemic lung tissue and 60% lung capacity. I also have three chikdren in school/uni and as a massage therapist I spend an hour at a time in a small closed room with each client, touching their hands and faces etc, so I am at a high risk of exposure to whatever bug is going around. Given that influenza would likely kill me, I am very "pro" flu shots for myself. (And I'm also rather picky about disinfecting my studio door handles, and thorough handwashing)3
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
There is no muddling through the work day with the flu, the flu hits you fast and hard! It's like getting hit by a Mack truck. The last time I had the flu, my doc asked me why didn't I come in earlier to see her but I was so completely out of it.
Thanks. I guess I have not had the flu. Maybe 20 years of high dosage fish oil protected me.2 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »I suspect anyone who thinks people with flu are hypochondriacs who should suck it up,has probably never had real flu.
I agree that there are some who have maybe a fluey cold who claim to have flu. Real flu,however,is pretty nasty even for healthy people.
That's exactly what he said - that he's never had flu (despite not having shots either).0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
Last time I had the flu I couldn't walk from my bed to the bathroom, I had to crawl. I had such a high fever that I was hallucinating, and pretty much lost about 36 hours.1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
Last time I had the flu I couldn't walk from my bed to the bathroom, I had to crawl. I had such a high fever that I was hallucinating, and pretty much lost about 36 hours.
Same here. Had a toddler at the time and hubby and I both came down with 'flu while driving back froma trip out of town. We got home, put ourselves to bed with high fever, chills, excrutiatingly sore skin, severe joint pain for 24 hours, along with the more standard sore throat, runny nose etc. I have no idea how we managed, but our toddler didnt get sick, and to this day I have no idea how we managed to keep her fed and toileted, but I can tell you she got a hell of a lot of tv time that day (in the days before smartphones and ipads LOL)1 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »I suspect anyone who thinks people with flu are hypochondriacs who should suck it up,has probably never had real flu.
I agree that there are some who have maybe a fluey cold who claim to have flu. Real flu,however,is pretty nasty even for healthy people.
That's exactly what he said - that he's never had flu (despite not having shots either).
Then don't judge those who have had it as being hypochondriacs. I'd never presume to know how it feels to have a disease I've not had.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
There is no muddling through the work day with the flu, the flu hits you fast and hard! It's like getting hit by a Mack truck. The last time I had the flu, my doc asked me why didn't I come in earlier to see her but I was so completely out of it.
Thanks. I guess I have not had the flu. Maybe 20 years of high dosage fish oil protected me.
Why would you think that high doses of fish oil would prevent the flu?1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
There is no muddling through the work day with the flu, the flu hits you fast and hard! It's like getting hit by a Mack truck. The last time I had the flu, my doc asked me why didn't I come in earlier to see her but I was so completely out of it.
Thanks. I guess I have not had the flu. Maybe 20 years of high dosage fish oil protected me.
Why would you think that high doses of fish oil would prevent the flu?
Perhaps the vitamin D absorption benefit from fish oil is what causes this... considering it in combination with the benefits of vitamin D related to influenza.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
There is no muddling through the work day with the flu, the flu hits you fast and hard! It's like getting hit by a Mack truck. The last time I had the flu, my doc asked me why didn't I come in earlier to see her but I was so completely out of it.
Thanks. I guess I have not had the flu. Maybe 20 years of high dosage fish oil protected me.
I've never had the flu either, and I've never regularly taken fish oil.
It's possible to just be lucky, you know!1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »When you get the flu, there is no denying it or sucking it up.
Does the actual flu put one in bed or can you still muddle through working each day?
If you aren't praying for death, you don't have the flu.6
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