If it's all in the math, why did I gain?
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CICO is not the answer for everyone and it will never be, there is a GENETIC predisposition to be obese:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/health&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
#1 - That NY Times article is a piece of clickbait garbage. The "study" wasn't a study at all - it was a survey of 1500 people. Hardly scientific evidence of anything. It may be handy to trot out trash like this in an attempt to prove one's beliefs, but it certainly doesn't hold water once you read beyond the headline.
#2 - The "study" (survey) was funded by the American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery.9 -
Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
Nope.
OP, I concur with everyone else in this thread who has said water weight.1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.3 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.
The newest version of intermittent fasting is here!7 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.
Welp...timing is everything, so.1 -
Op...I agree with what has been said here. Water weight.
Also, do you use a food scale? Do you log absolutely everything you eat and drink??It also depends on WHAT you ate, not just how much you ate. If you ate a bunch of fat or sugar, that will convert to additional weight more quickly unless you're offsetting with exercise (although you said you're doing that). My best advice is to NOT weigh every day, just once a week and when you have a bad day or days, re-focus on your goal and move forward. Sometimes you'll gain pounds, but lose inches, especially when you're working out!! It's not all about calories and the number on the scale. It's about building lean muscle mass, looking good and most importantly - FEELING GOOD!!
Absolutely not. Where do you get this information from, @lemayinc I mean, I've lost close to 100lbs and my fat intake is on the higher side...plus, I eat sugar. It is ALL about calories. Can you provide peer reviewed scientific studies or scientific papers to back up your claim?
Just so you know, if you "eat a bunch of fat and sugar" but stay under your TDEE, they will not convert to fat, but will be used as energy to fuel your body.
OP...don't listen to this. Calories are king.
OP, don't listen to this, either:Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
Good lord. STOP WITH THIS WOO NONSENSE! You're constantly being corrected via scientific research for misinformation, but spread the misinformation proudly around like rancid peanut butter, or a horrible fart.
Meal timing is NOT RELEVANT. Also, why not eat right up until bed time unless acid reflux of sleep disturbances are common? I eat right up until I sleep and have lost a lot of weight. I also eat 1 snack and 1 large meal.
Also, mfp is designed so that exercise calories are to be eaten back. It has a calorie deficit built in. If one exercises, they actually increase the deficit which can lead to greater muscle loss. You're telling the person to aim for a 25% calorie deficit but then go on to say to not eat a portion of exercise calories back.... this will actually INCREASE her deficit.
*sigh*CICO is not the answer for everyone and it will never be, there is a GENETIC predisposition to be obese:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/health&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
What did I just read....?
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NorthCascades wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
When you eat is completely irrelevant for all but competitive athletes/bodybuilders. For the average dieter/fitness minded individual, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Cool! I'm gonna eat in 2017 and 2019 but not at all during 2018. I'm not a body builder.
Touche?0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »It also depends on WHAT you ate, not just how much you ate. If you ate a bunch of fat or sugar, that will convert to additional weight more quickly unless you're offsetting with exercise (although you said you're doing that). My best advice is to NOT weigh every day, just once a week and when you have a bad day or days, re-focus on your goal and move forward. Sometimes you'll gain pounds, but lose inches, especially when you're working out!! It's not all about calories and the number on the scale. It's about building lean muscle mass, looking good and most importantly - FEELING GOOD!!
Load of rubbish! Ignore this OP
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How is this rubbish?? I lost 84 lbs so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit about it, I'm talking hard earned knowledge here, not BOOK knowledge or what "the experts" say. I often lost inches, not numbers on the scale & actually gained numbers on the scale when I started to build lean muscle mass!!! Not to mention that I'm just trying to help!! If what I say is different than what you believe....so what?? You don't have to be a dick about it, I'm just trying to encourage someone who's struggling & asking for ideas. How about promoting what you think is right & not bashing what you don't believe to be true? Have a great day!!!!
In fairness, the only problematic part of your original post was the part about "fat and sugar quickly turning into fat". Foods high in fat and sugar tend to be high calorie for low satiety, but there's no magic that turns them into fat any faster than any other food (other than the "convince you to eat more food" factor).
The rest of your advice was fine (though I personally do better weighing daily to numb myself to fluctuations).3 -
"A pint's a pound the world around."
Retaining just 2 cups of additional fluids in your tissues will make you gain a pound.
The math holds at the macro level, not the micro level. Over time, the math works out when viewed "from above." But human bodies are complicated and while you're observing it moment by moment "on the ground," you're going to see variations. LOTS of variations.
Relax about the single data points and pay attention to the longer term trends.3 -
How is this rubbish?? I lost 84 lbs so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit about it, I'm talking hard earned knowledge here, not BOOK knowledge or what "the experts" say. I often lost inches, not numbers on the scale & actually gained numbers on the scale when I started to build lean muscle mass!!! Not to mention that I'm just trying to help!! If what I say is different than what you believe....so what?? You don't have to be a dick about it, I'm just trying to encourage someone who's struggling & asking for ideas. How about promoting what you think is right & not bashing what you don't believe to be true? Have a great day!!!!
Everything in your first post is wrong and not the right advice for this particular situation.
Not even sure where you got this sugar stuff from, and also not weighing every day.. and I guess everyone should refocus to what you do.. sorry but no.
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How is this rubbish?? I lost 84 lbs so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit about it, I'm talking hard earned knowledge here, not BOOK knowledge or what "the experts" say. I often lost inches, not numbers on the scale & actually gained numbers on the scale when I started to build lean muscle mass!!! Not to mention that I'm just trying to help!! If what I say is different than what you believe....so what?? You don't have to be a dick about it, I'm just trying to encourage someone who's struggling & asking for ideas. How about promoting what you think is right & not bashing what you don't believe to be true? Have a great day!!!!
Your post said that eating too much fat or sugar makes you fat.. rubbish. An excess of calories makes you gain weight.
Plus very few women are gaining lean mass given that they're on 1200 calories and doing lots of cardio6 -
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CICO is not the answer for everyone and it will never be, there is a GENETIC predisposition to be obese:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/health/americans-obesity-willpower-genetics-study.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/health&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
#1 - That NY Times article is a piece of clickbait garbage. The "study" wasn't a study at all - it was a survey of 1500 people. Hardly scientific evidence of anything. It may be handy to trot out trash like this in an attempt to prove one's beliefs, but it certainly doesn't hold water once you read beyond the headline.
#2 - The "study" (survey) was funded by the American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery.
Pretty much this...
But I'd also add that I'm genetically predisposed to a number of health conditions (Thanks dad) and it's an up hill battle...but that doesn't mean good nutrition and regular exercise aren't the answer or are a waste of my time...in fact, it means they are probably more important for me than someone who isn't predisposed to these conditions
So really, if the genetic predisposition is such an issue then understanding CICO and adhering the the math would be that much more important to someone with said predisposition, not less...8 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)
One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g
x2 for 470g
Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying3 -
Stress. When sympathetic nervous system is the driver, you could actually gain weight in a supposed deficit.
/ShotsfiredCICOpeeps1 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)
One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g
x2 for 470g
Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying
UK pint is 568ml, so I'm going with Catt's phrase!0 -
Raptor2763 wrote: »Two points: (a) What you eat is important, how much is key, but WHEN is equally critical. Try and space your meals and snacks about 2-1/2 hours apart and don't go to bed until dinner is at least 3 hours in the rearview mirror. (b) Don't eat your exercise calories. Just because your calorie budget went up because of exercise doesn't mean you can eat them back. To lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit - try for about a 25% calorie deficit, bearing in mind the three W's I previously mentioned, and you should see results in a couple days.
This sounds like a bunch of HOOPLA!
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CurlyCockney wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
g/lb = 453.59237 (please excuse the obnoxious precision)
One cup (liquid measure) = 8 fl oz = 235ml = 235g
x2 for 470g
Not exactly a lb, but close enough for a legitimate folk-saying
UK pint is 568ml, so I'm going with Catt's phrase!
So if you order a pint in the UK you get an extra 3 ounces of beer than if you got a pint in the US (16 oz vs 19oz)1 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »Stress. When sympathetic nervous system is the driver, you could actually gain weight in a supposed deficit.
/ShotsfiredCICOpeeps
Then your supposed deficit isn't an actual deficit.
I could go and say "Oh yeah my maintenance is totally 3000 calories. Why do I gain then on 2500, huh? Checkmate!"
The answer is my maintenance isn't 3000, simple as that.9
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