Deficit Rack Pulls?!?
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Dat bent elbow, though! Deficit rack pulls with a row?
When I pull I want to say one of my broken bones never quite straightens out- so I mean- he could just not have straight bones.
This makes SOME amount of sense to me.juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
The odds of him being an idiot or MUCH higher than him adjusting to pull from a place that makes sense- but it's a perfectly logical reason for why he was doing them on the box.
The bumper plates- well- there isn't any excusing that unless there were no other 45's when he was loading up.
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Dat bent elbow, though! Deficit rack pulls with a row?
When I pull I want to say one of my broken bones never quite straightens out- so I mean- he could just not have straight bones.
This makes SOME amount of sense to me.juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
The odds of him being an idiot or MUCH higher than him adjusting to pull from a place that makes sense- but it's a perfectly logical reason for why he was doing them on the box.
The bumper plates- well- there isn't any excusing that unless there were no other 45's when he was loading up.
It was like 12pm. The gym was practically empty. No excuses and I was peeved!0 -
I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates0
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well flip side- maybe he likes using them because the bar feels better (distribution wise) and if it was empty- maybe he though no one cared.maranarasauce93 wrote: »Dat bent elbow, though! Deficit rack pulls with a row?
When I pull I want to say one of my broken bones never quite straightens out- so I mean- he could just not have straight bones.
This makes SOME amount of sense to me.juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
The odds of him being an idiot or MUCH higher than him adjusting to pull from a place that makes sense- but it's a perfectly logical reason for why he was doing them on the box.
The bumper plates- well- there isn't any excusing that unless there were no other 45's when he was loading up.
It was like 12pm. The gym was practically empty. No excuses and I was peeved!
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Actually, since the rails are on the lowest hole, I guess it kinda makes sense. If you want to do some rack pulls from knee-height (as pointed out by SFL), then yeah - you'll have to do something to raise your feet.
well since you beat me to it I guess I have nothing important to say.0 -
juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
I totally just thought about this alternative too: if the sticking point is just below the knees but the safety height is too high, you can use a set of bumpers to prop the plates over. The bar moves around more easily but it could help get it to an appropriate height.
Then again, if the guy was doing this to help with a sticking point, I wouldn't be happy if he did this because then he'd be using all of the bumper plates in the gym :0.0 -
What you're seeing here is a standard rack pull, using a block to position himself in a desirable spot to work on what might be his sticking point. The safety pin only allows the bar to be what looks like no closer than two feet off of the ground. My sticking/slow point is about one foot off of the ground so I'd definitely use a box if I didn't have a cage that went lower. As for the bumpers, it could be that he's just not aware that it's common practice to use the bumpers for exercises where the barbell will come into contact with the floor. Instead of calling him an *kitten*, you could have educated him a little bit (and possibly have learned something yourself). People making fun of his calves should be ashamed, too.2
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maranarasauce93 wrote: »
Wow, why the hate on this guy? You don't know this guy and you don't know his story so cut him some slack.maranarasauce93 wrote: »Here's a picture for reference.
OP, I'm confused... a deficit rack pull is still just a rack pull. I'm guessing the person doing them just doesn't have a power-rack that can get low enough so they use a platform to increase their ROM.
More than anything, I was hating on the fact that he was using 3 sets of bumper plates when there were metal plates of the same exact weight AND he wasn't even pulling from the floor so why even use bumpers?!?
you gotta use bumper plates bra those look way heavier from across the room.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome
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maranarasauce93 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome.
My gym has some great powerlifters including world and Canadian champions/record holders and it's just a YMCA! We don't have hex plates thank goodness!1 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »What you're seeing here is a standard rack pull, using a block to position himself in a desirable spot to work on what might be his sticking point. The safety pin only allows the bar to be what looks like no closer than two feet off of the ground. My sticking/slow point is about one foot off of the ground so I'd definitely use a box if I didn't have a cage that went lower. As for the bumpers, it could be that he's just not aware that it's common practice to use the bumpers for exercises where the barbell will come into contact with the floor. Instead of calling him an *kitten*, you could have educated him a little bit (and possibly have learned something yourself). People making fun of his calves should be ashamed, too.
Okok I learned a valuable lesson; everyone's sticking points with deadlifts are different, and it's ok to use a block during a rack pull if you can't adjust the safeties to an appropriate height for your sticking point. I'll try to be less judgy of the gym brahs1 -
maranarasauce93 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome.
Every single gym has them. Much like every gym has that person who thinks they are too cool for school and knows more than everyone else.
This isn't special or new. I don't get the hate- just go on about your business.4 -
maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
I totally just thought about this alternative too: if the sticking point is just below the knees but the safety height is too high, you can use a set of bumpers to prop the plates over. The bar moves around more easily but it could help get it to an appropriate height.
Then again, if the guy was doing this to help with a sticking point, I wouldn't be happy if he did this because then he'd be using all of the bumper plates in the gym :0.
This would be another option, but would your gym allow that? My gym would probably try to kick me out if I propped my bar up on plates/bumpers (because "fragile" they claim. must deadlift to mat or rack only..)
Maybe if he propped on bumpers and lifted with bumpers, but then you need that many more bumpers, sooo..0 -
maranarasauce93 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome.
Every single gym has them. Much like every gym has that person who thinks they are too cool for school and knows more than everyone else.
This isn't special or new. I don't get the hate- just go on about your business.
I don't always hate on the ego lifters. But when I do, they either take equipment for me when I'm not done with it, they hoarde equipment I want/need, and they don't unrack their bars or clean up after themselves.0 -
maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
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maranarasauce93 wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome.
Every single gym has them. Much like every gym has that person who thinks they are too cool for school and knows more than everyone else.
This isn't special or new. I don't get the hate- just go on about your business.
I don't always hate on the ego lifters. But when I do, they either take equipment for me when I'm not done with it, they hoarde equipment I want/need, and they don't unrack their bars or clean up after themselves.
That's not ego lifters- that's just douchebaggery LOLjuliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
First time I saw someone do the old school "leg press" was on a smith machine upside down (lay on your back- legs straight up and it really hammers the top of the hammy/bottom of the glute) I was really side eying it.
Little did I know.
shame on me.
Also- my snarky comment is forever memorialized on the "so you want to start running" thread- only about a year or so ago- it was a douchy thing to say and I can't fix it now LOL- first page. go me. Way to be inclusive and supportive.0 -
maranarasauce93 wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm jealous that your gym has bumper plates
Haha I mainly ended up choosing gold's because they have bumpers and self hand-off benches and no hex plates! Despite the ego lifters everywhere, it's pretty awesome.
Every single gym has them. Much like every gym has that person who thinks they are too cool for school and knows more than everyone else.
This isn't special or new. I don't get the hate- just go on about your business.
I don't always hate on the ego lifters. But when I do, they either take equipment for me when I'm not done with it, they hoarde equipment I want/need, and they don't unrack their bars or clean up after themselves.
That's not ego lifters- that's just douchebaggery LOLjuliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
First time I saw someone do the old school "leg press" was on a smith machine upside down (lay on your back- legs straight up and it really hammers the top of the hammy/bottom of the glute) I was really side eying it.
Little did I know.
shame on me.
Also- my snarky comment is forever memorialized on the "so you want to start running" thread- only about a year or so ago- it was a douchy thing to say and I can't fix it now LOL- first page. go me. Way to be inclusive and supportive.
Haha exercising can be interesting and sometimes weird looking!! I saw dlb doing that leg press smith machine variation. Looks super cool!! Also, these guys were snickering at me once when I was doing good mornings so I should be more sensitive to fact that there are a wide variety of exercises and variations out there and that I shouldn't be a *kitten* and make fun of people :0.0 -
juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
The longer I've been lifting, the less likely I am to laugh at anything. When you're starting out with something, you don't know what you don't know. After 10 years I'm well versed in the fact that there's lots I don't know; particularly what anyone else's goals may be.
I love zerchers and have been sourcing a zercher harness. They're expensive. I've done them for years on my arms but the older I get the more my elbows hate them.4 -
juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
The longer I've been lifting, the less likely I am to laugh at anything. When you're starting out with something, you don't know what you don't know. After 10 years I'm well versed in the fact that there's lots I don't know; particularly what anyone else's goals may be.
I love zerchers and have been sourcing a zercher harness. They're expensive. I've done them for years on my arms but the older I get the more my elbows hate them.
I really like zerchers too for some reason. I think Jeffersons are the ones that people look at me the most. It's mostly guys who get a pained look on their face lol.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
The longer I've been lifting, the less likely I am to laugh at anything. When you're starting out with something, you don't know what you don't know. After 10 years I'm well versed in the fact that there's lots I don't know; particularly what anyone else's goals may be.
I love zerchers and have been sourcing a zercher harness. They're expensive. I've done them for years on my arms but the older I get the more my elbows hate them.
I really like zerchers too for some reason. I think Jeffersons are the ones that people look at me the most. It's mostly guys who get a pained look on their face lol.
Yeah. I have short arms. Jeffersons scare me.
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singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
The longer I've been lifting, the less likely I am to laugh at anything. When you're starting out with something, you don't know what you don't know. After 10 years I'm well versed in the fact that there's lots I don't know; particularly what anyone else's goals may be.
I love zerchers and have been sourcing a zercher harness. They're expensive. I've done them for years on my arms but the older I get the more my elbows hate them.
I really like zerchers too for some reason. I think Jeffersons are the ones that people look at me the most. It's mostly guys who get a pained look on their face lol.
Yeah. I have short arms. Jeffersons scare me.
I like zerchers because I have long humerus bones and can move a lot of weight like that so I feel like a rock star.
With respect to Jefferson deadlifts, I bet this gets a lot of looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPrqi-5VMgU 0 -
juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »maranarasauce93 wrote: »juliewatkin wrote: »I don't see anything odd about this at all. Like a number of other people have said, he's adjusting to have it just below the knee. I have different height boxes I use at home to accomplish the same thing.
Sorry I guess I'm not as familiar with this and didn't understand it but I guess it makes sense after all the explanation. Don't mean to seem like an ahole
I've done the same thing. By which I mean kind of make fun of something that appears kind of stupid and then found out it's legit. I remember the first time I saw someone doing cable pull throughs. I was pretty certain they were trying to saw their bollocks off. They looked ridiculous. Now I do them from time to time with bands
I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
The longer I've been lifting, the less likely I am to laugh at anything. When you're starting out with something, you don't know what you don't know. After 10 years I'm well versed in the fact that there's lots I don't know; particularly what anyone else's goals may be.
I love zerchers and have been sourcing a zercher harness. They're expensive. I've done them for years on my arms but the older I get the more my elbows hate them.
I really like zerchers too for some reason. I think Jeffersons are the ones that people look at me the most. It's mostly guys who get a pained look on their face lol.
Yeah. I have short arms. Jeffersons scare me.
I like zerchers because I have long humerus bones and can move a lot of weight like that so I feel like a rock star.
With respect to Jefferson deadlifts, I bet this gets a lot of lookshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPrqi-5VMgU
I have tiny limbs so I feel like I'd have a bad time with both zerchers and the Jefferson deadlift lol.0 -
juliewatkin wrote: »With respect to Jefferson deadlifts, I bet this gets a lot of looks
Aaaaand it just got one more. 10/10 would watch again.
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@juliewatkin I think it's part of maturing. as you get older in your "sport" or life- you realize a lot of those things don't matter- and you know less and if you just STFU you'll probably learn more and look less stupid. #guiltyAF of this. Glad life has given me the chance to grow up a little. I'm not really all that grown up- but damnit- I'm trying.
RE: Jeffersons- tried- never got comfortable with them- so meh. not so much.1 -
I started doing them after a back injury as they put less stress on the back and still through them in from time to time as you can go heavier with them (since it's a half squat/half deadlift type lift) and it's good for the ego
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singingflutelady wrote: »I started doing them after a back injury as they put less stress on the back and still through them in from time to time as you can go heavier with them (since it's a half squat/half deadlift type lift) and it's good for the ego
I may give them a go soon. Maybe tonight after my heavy stuff. I just get the feeling that the guy coaching the woman doing them in the video above may have needed a moment alone.2 -
juliewatkin wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I started doing them after a back injury as they put less stress on the back and still through them in from time to time as you can go heavier with them (since it's a half squat/half deadlift type lift) and it's good for the ego
I may give them a go soon. Maybe tonight after my heavy stuff. I just get the feeling that the guy coaching the woman doing them in the video above may have needed a moment alone.
That video is interesting lol0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »I'm sure people laugh at my Jefferson deadlift, zercher squats and lunges and barbell hack squats lol
i'm just happy to find someone who's done them as well. i can't pretend not to be influenced by the knowledge i'm probably That Guy** to a lot of the folks who see it, but i had a reason when i was doing them.
my only issue with that video is . . . the miniskirt makes no sense to me.
**gender-universal usage.0 -
Yeah. I have short arms. Jeffersons scare me.
i am not going to make the painfully-literal answer to this. i am . . . oh okay.
surely if your arms are long enough for - nope.
changed my mind. i think there might be guy considerations involved in all this that i don't need to worry about.
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