How to not overeat in a world full of slobs
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kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Please enlighten me on which chemically alerted artificial synthetic food additives are going to give me cancer.
May I see your diary?12 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Might want to private your diary so people don't see that you eat as much "sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet" foods. Unless you're logging foods that you actually make at home (congrats on having the time to make coconut oil and cheese from scratch) and just using the nearest equivalents in the database, but if you're doing that you really should use the recipe builder for more accuracy.
Chemicals alter all foods, even the "safe" and "healthy" home made stuff.16 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
You're personal opinion of others' attitudes toward "processed" foods doesn't change the facts. I'll happily continue eating as I always have. Just less of it.7 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Wow, your diary looks like my diary, it's full of processed foods too. Check it out!!12 -
queenliz99 wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Wow, your diary looks like my diary, it's full of processed foods too. Check it out!!
Is this another, "do as I say, not as I do" example? We've had a couple of these in the past week. There must have been a recent "sanctimonious Whole Foods antiGMO McDonalds is evil" convention...10 -
The point of eating everything in moderation is to avoid unhealthy food restrictions, which can lead to huge amounts of anxiety and disordered eating when taken too far- and can easily lead to social issues as food is an integral part of many social interactions.
A healthy relationship with food isn't just using food as fuel. It's enjoying the things you eat too.16 -
<< this slob enjoyed a big Mac after the gym, I ate pork rinds for a snack, and I'll still be in a deficit and meet my macros after dinner. *shrug*15
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hollyrayburn wrote: »<< this slob enjoyed a big Mac after the gym, I ate pork rinds for a snack, and I'll still be in a deficit and meet my macros after dinner. *shrug*
I love Big Macs and have atleast one a week with fries and can't wait to have another McRib yummy. I used to eat pork rinds alot also. Food should be enjoyed. Great job staying in a deficit6 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
^ This post is just full of silly extremes.
Of course most people would not feed a young baby a cookie ( although I personally might give an older baby, say, 12 months, one) but we are assuming in our answer on MFP that we are talking about the diets of adults.
We are also assuming, unless stated otherwise, that the person doesnt have allergies or medical conditions - so, if OP had coeliac disease we probably wouldnt suggest having a small burger. Common sense.
and yes, people may well choose to spend their money at a local family store rather than Mcdonalds - but that is an ethical decision, nothing to do with nutrition - and particularly irrelevant to OP since her question is about how to do this when when she works at Mcdonalds.
Our cancer rates are higher than in the past due to one main reason - people are living longer than in the past and therefore living long enough to get cancer
and other big causes of death such as vaccine preventable diseases and antibiotic treatable infections have plummetted - thus cancer proportionately kills more people.
Of course we can control our cancer risk too - dont smoke, get skin changes checked etc - but eating processed food in moderation - No not a risk and no reason they cant be part of people's diet.
So, yes, there are those of us who bang on about all food is ok - because it is.
Of course in moderation and as part of a balanced diet and and in appropriate portion sizes
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rebeccaculp87 wrote: »hollyrayburn wrote: »<< this slob enjoyed a big Mac after the gym, I ate pork rinds for a snack, and I'll still be in a deficit and meet my macros after dinner. *shrug*
I love Big Macs and have atleast one a week with fries and can't wait to have another McRib yummy. I used to eat pork rinds alot also. Food should be enjoyed. Great job staying in a deficit
OMG the mcrib!!! Drool! Lol. I eat fast food multiple times a week. Normally it's like something grilled from chick fila or a kids meal, or a whole wheat subway, but I killed it at the gym this morning after having a light breakfast, so I could have that 540 calorie sandwich.
I hate to see people thinking stuff such as mcdonalds or any fast food is why folks are fat. Because it's not. While I am considered obese still, I'm steadily losing with takeaway in my diet. It's just too much of anything that makes us fat. If you ate 4,500 calories or organic gluten free superfood lettuce all day....you'd still be very fat an unhealthy 7 -
Hmm. I think I'm going to have some McDonalds breakfast for lunch. It'll fit neatly in my deficit for today.5
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I can't even comment because I can't get past op referring to people as slobs. Classic mouthy teenager..... You better lose that attitude before you grow up or someone is going to knock you down a few pegs real fast.21
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kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Back up your giant claims, please! @kiwiapplepear
There are no unhealthy foods, just unhealthy habits. A dietitian would disagree with your claims.
Speaking of babies and cookies; I was born 3 months premature in the 80s and was in hospital for 3 months. When my mother was able to take me home, I was still quite fragile to the point where my doctor didn't think I'd make it. she fed me powdered arrowroot biscuits in warm milk to get my weight up. Yes, you read that correctly. I ended up SURVIVING thanks to her.
Also, those who live in glass houses......
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I can't even comment because I can't get past op referring to people as slobs. Classic mouthy teenager..... You better lose that attitude before you grow up or someone is going to knock you down a few pegs real fast.
Ahhh, now now, remember, we're not young enough to know everything...9 -
Aah bless you, you are surrounded. it must be awful for you. Making money from them and living with them too.8
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I don't know if your McDonald's sells salads but you could eat those with a light dressing. Their grilled chicken sandwiches are okay too. Just get a side salad instead of fries. Drink diet soda or water. There's always little tweaks that you can make that will save you hundreds of calories per day, at a fast food restaurant or at home. If you want to eat chips as a snack, count out 1 portion of chips, eat it, record it and move on. You make money at McDonald's, use some of it to get a few healthy snacks like fruits and veggies for yourself. I wish I was 5'5" and 135 pounds. I'm 5'3" and my goal weight is 130.2
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hollyrayburn wrote: »rebeccaculp87 wrote: »hollyrayburn wrote: »<< this slob enjoyed a big Mac after the gym, I ate pork rinds for a snack, and I'll still be in a deficit and meet my macros after dinner. *shrug*
I love Big Macs and have atleast one a week with fries and can't wait to have another McRib yummy. I used to eat pork rinds alot also. Food should be enjoyed. Great job staying in a deficit
OMG the mcrib!!! Drool! Lol. I eat fast food multiple times a week. Normally it's like something grilled from chick fila or a kids meal, or a whole wheat subway, but I killed it at the gym this morning after having a light breakfast, so I could have that 540 calorie sandwich.
I hate to see people thinking stuff such as mcdonalds or any fast food is why folks are fat. Because it's not. While I am considered obese still, I'm steadily losing with takeaway in my diet. It's just too much of anything that makes us fat. If you ate 4,500 calories or organic gluten free superfood lettuce all day....you'd still be very fat an unhealthy
The day I binged on celery was the day I decided to stop eating only "healthy food". I was only eating lean protein, fresh fruits and vegetables, ect you know "healthy" natural foods and was miserable. I was 145 bigger than I had been during either pregnancy, I began eating anything I wanted im moderation and have lost weight and feel better. Good job on losing weight!6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Wow, your diary looks like my diary, it's full of processed foods too. Check it out!!
Is this another, "do as I say, not as I do" example? We've had a couple of these in the past week. There must have been a recent "sanctimonious Whole Foods antiGMO McDonalds is evil" convention...
I was thinking the exact same thing. The narrative sounds awfully familiar, as does the diary full of the same things the poster is demonizing. Do we believe in reincarnation?
...and as usual in those kind of posts, it's a binary argument which completely fails to address context and dosage within the overall diet. Very restrictive and polarized mindset toward food.9 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
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kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Just picking out a couple of the absurdities here.
"would you feed a baby processed cookies, etc."
Sure. What do you think teething biscuits/Arrowroot biscuits/animal crackers are?
You do know that it took thousands of years to develop apples from some tiny hard fruit you'd have a hard time eating if your life depended on it (and of which you would have to force down dozens to get a couple hundred calories). The apples you eat wouldn't reproduce "true" if allowed to reseed -- they have to be grafted onto other apple trees that aren't allowed to produce the apples that their own genetic heritage would produce. How is that "natural"?15 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
Nobody is defending Mcdonalds specifically - they are defending the idea that one can have healthy foods within a calorie allowance at Mcdonalds- eg salads, burgers without fries, small portions, bottled water etc
Of course one can have these things without going to Mcdonalds too and one can have a balanced diet with other things -but since OP works at Mcdonalds ,these are suggestions pertaining to her situation.
Supporting small businesses is all well and good - but irrelevant to OP's question.
and most people do not need to worry about additives and chemicals -if they have an overall balanced diet.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »...You do know that it took thousands of years to develop apples from some tiny hard fruit you'd have a hard time eating if your life depended on it (and of which you would have to force down dozens to get a couple hundred calories). The apples you eat wouldn't reproduce "true" if allowed to reseed -- they have to be grafted onto other apple trees that aren't allowed to produce the apples that their own genetic heritage would produce. How is that "natural"?
That lovely, whole, pure, all natural banana doesn't look anything like a wild banana either. Bananas have been genetically modified to be more palatable/edible, or we probably wouldn't be eating them at all.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »...You do know that it took thousands of years to develop apples from some tiny hard fruit you'd have a hard time eating if your life depended on it (and of which you would have to force down dozens to get a couple hundred calories). The apples you eat wouldn't reproduce "true" if allowed to reseed -- they have to be grafted onto other apple trees that aren't allowed to produce the apples that their own genetic heritage would produce. How is that "natural"?
That lovely, whole, pure, all natural banana doesn't look anything like a wild banana either. Bananas have been genetically modified to be more palatable/edible, or we probably wouldn't be eating them at all.
Yeah, pretty much every banana you buy in a grocery store grew on a tree that was genetically identical (i.e., essentially a clone) to the trees that grew all the other bananas you've ever eaten. No biodiversity in commercial bananas.
I still eat them.
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kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
The OP works at McD's & they provide free or discounted food to their employees. While supporting local businesses is great, we all have to work with the resources we have available to us. For people on a reduced income (like, say, minimum wage in America) it's not always feasible to spend money elsewhere when perfectly good free food is available. The food the OP is provided is a perfectly valid option if they can work it into their diet.11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »...You do know that it took thousands of years to develop apples from some tiny hard fruit you'd have a hard time eating if your life depended on it (and of which you would have to force down dozens to get a couple hundred calories). The apples you eat wouldn't reproduce "true" if allowed to reseed -- they have to be grafted onto other apple trees that aren't allowed to produce the apples that their own genetic heritage would produce. How is that "natural"?
That lovely, whole, pure, all natural banana doesn't look anything like a wild banana either. Bananas have been genetically modified to be more palatable/edible, or we probably wouldn't be eating them at all.
Yeah, pretty much every banana you buy in a grocery store grew on a tree that was genetically identical (i.e., essentially a clone) to the trees that grew all the other bananas you've ever eaten. No biodiversity in commercial bananas.
I still eat them.
"Natural" is pretty vague concept for food.
Arsenic and cyanide are 100% natural. So are Amanita phalloides mushrooms, ingestion of which lead to organ/CNS damage, coma and death.11 -
Here's a thread for a Saturday night!7
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cerise_noir wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Back up your giant claims, please! @kiwiapplepear
There are no unhealthy foods, just unhealthy habits. A dietitian would disagree with your claims.
Speaking of babies and cookies; I was born 3 months premature in the 80s and was in hospital for 3 months. When my mother was able to take me home, I was still quite fragile to the point where my doctor didn't think I'd make it. she fed me powdered arrowroot biscuits in warm milk to get my weight up. Yes, you read that correctly. I ended up SURVIVING thanks to her.
Also, those who live in glass houses......
Dietitians are in bed with Big Aspartame.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »...You do know that it took thousands of years to develop apples from some tiny hard fruit you'd have a hard time eating if your life depended on it (and of which you would have to force down dozens to get a couple hundred calories). The apples you eat wouldn't reproduce "true" if allowed to reseed -- they have to be grafted onto other apple trees that aren't allowed to produce the apples that their own genetic heritage would produce. How is that "natural"?
That lovely, whole, pure, all natural banana doesn't look anything like a wild banana either. Bananas have been genetically modified to be more palatable/edible, or we probably wouldn't be eating them at all.
They've still got some work to do on making them palatable if you ask me4 -
I by no means eat "clean" or "healthy" by standards the people think "healthy" is. Health is more than just about eating. There are lots of people who I know eat "healthier" than I do, but yet can't lose weight nor physically look or avoid illness the same as I do.
Others components to good health revolve around: physical activity, right amount of rest, correct weight for one's frame and build, risk behavior (smoking, drugs, risky sports), genetics, mental health, and how happy one is with oneself. If anyone of those are jeopardized, then it still wouldn't matter how "healthy" one eats.
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1) Nobody is defending McDonald's - it's just always the strawman thrown out there by "clean eating" evangelists because for some reason it apparently has an evil connotation and represents everything that's wrong with food anywhere ever. What the dissenting people are saying is that it's perfectly possible to have an overall healthy diet while eating such foods in moderation and in the proper context.Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
The binary argument usually projected in "clean eating" threads is that you're either stuffing your face with McDonald's and 2-pound bags of sugar all day every day, or you're eating nothing but 100% organic vegetables watered by unicorn tears and lovingly hand-harvested by fairy elves under the full moon. Complete logic fail, as there is plenty of room between the two extremes to make for a healthy, well balanced, enjoyable and sustainable diet.
2) That's an awfully sweeping statement to make about "processed foods". There are a lot of foods which are considered "processed" that are perfectly healthy, nutritious and safe to eat.22
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