How to not overeat in a world full of slobs
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kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
What do you really know about GMO's? Do you have a chemical biology degree? What artificial syntehtic food additives are you speaking of? What's your actual source of this information? A magazine or actual peer reviewed clinical studies?
And cancer rates are lower now than from 1999 according to the CDC.
So please make sure that when you give an opinion, make sure it's accurate.
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Back up your giant claims, please! @kiwiapplepear
There are no unhealthy foods, just unhealthy habits. A dietitian would disagree with your claims.
Speaking of babies and cookies; I was born 3 months premature in the 80s and was in hospital for 3 months. When my mother was able to take me home, I was still quite fragile to the point where my doctor didn't think I'd make it. she fed me powdered arrowroot biscuits in warm milk to get my weight up. Yes, you read that correctly. I ended up SURVIVING thanks to her.
Also, those who live in glass houses......
Dietitians are in bed with Big Aspartame.
So, it wasn't a rumor, then! I thought the whole "big feet..." was a lie.9 -
cerise_noir wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Back up your giant claims, please! @kiwiapplepear
There are no unhealthy foods, just unhealthy habits. A dietitian would disagree with your claims.
Speaking of babies and cookies; I was born 3 months premature in the 80s and was in hospital for 3 months. When my mother was able to take me home, I was still quite fragile to the point where my doctor didn't think I'd make it. she fed me powdered arrowroot biscuits in warm milk to get my weight up. Yes, you read that correctly. I ended up SURVIVING thanks to her.
Also, those who live in glass houses......
Dietitians are in bed with Big Aspartame.
So, it wasn't a rumor, then! I thought the whole "big feet..." was a lie.
Aspartame has big feet? :noway:3 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
great post, the only criticism i have is that you didnt tell the op to find a job that doesnt support obesity4 -
Huh???
OP is a teenager at school with a part time job at McDonald's.
I hope you are not serious Therealobiand the joke or sarcasm just wasn't obvious to me.
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^I'm pretty sure it was a sarcastic post.1
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As I said, I hope so.
Sarcasm didnt come across very clearly - but perhaps that is just me.3 -
Well this was entertaining.0
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C'mon seriously? MFP is all about encouraging teenagers to eat at McDonald's more??? OP states goals as losing a bit of weight, living healthy and boosting her self esteem. Don't we all wish we had been thinking like that when we were teens? The post wasn't worded nicely, but the underlying question is an important one and it is one that I'm pretty sure we have all struggled with. Put yourself in OP's shoes - if you were 16 and working at McDonald's with cheap/free food, and came home to your parents' cupboard full of all your favorite treats - how would you avoid temptation? How would you live a healthy life? How can OP set up a lifestyle so as not to be on MFP in 40 years trying to learn to be heatlhy?
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Setting aside the "slob" stuff, the things I wished I'd done as a teen to help with being healthier are (1) learn about weights and strength training; (2) gotten into a more regular running schedule rather than just running a lot when I felt like it and then not running much for ages; (3) learning to cook well; and (4) really made eating vegetables a priority (I did eat them a decent amount anyway, since for my parents they were a normal part of eating a meal, but reading good vegetable cookbooks and getting excited about preparing them might have made my 20s more healthy).
Those are things I'd recommend.
As for McD's, if OP works there and has reason to eat there (which seems like it might be the case due to time there and free food or deep discounts), explore the salad and grilled chicken and egg mcmuffin type options, as others have said. I don't like McD's and wouldn't find it tempting even without having to be there all the time (everyone I know who worked at a restaurant or food place found they went off the food after a while -- I remember friends who worked at BR who said they couldn't stand the thought of eating ice cream anymore), but there certainly are healthful options. Beyond that, the main problem (at least from my POV) of eating a McDonald's meal regularly, if you control calories, is that they tend to lack veg and the fries are really high cal for the nutrition. A burger or grilled chicken with salad (or with veg brought from home) is probably a reasonably balanced meal.
Understanding your personal goals matters, too. I'm not sure why OP thinks she is not healthy, but if she does, she can focus on making healthier choices related to those things.
I am also wondering just how old OP actually is.5 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance.
Not sure what small local businesses have to do with anything, and people are talking about McD's because OP brought it up, as others have explained.
For the record, small local businesses near me (many of which I support) include a southern-French fusion bakery (delicious, not exactly "unprocessed" or great for dieting), another long-time bakery that's long been a fixture in the area, various restaurants (all restaurant food is "processed" of course, theirs is in many cases delicious, but hardly low cal), various bars, a craft brewery with its own beer (I don't drink anymore or I would support this one), lots of non food related stores, a tiny little grocery-brunch place with primarily processed (as in premade) stuff that I'd totally go to if it didn't have terrible hours, and a wine shop. Big chains near me include WF, TJ, and Jewel. There's also a local meat market with an interesting selection and lots of housemade (processed!) sausage and other premade things, in addition to the various other meat options. Ironically, you know the places with by far the greatest selection of non processed stuff and raw, whole fruits and veg? Yeah, those chains: WF, TJ, and Jewel.
As for the claim that "processed foods are not so good and healthy," processed is a huge category, and some of the things she is mentioning are processed (yogurt, olive oil). Whenever someone claims being processed means that food is not healthy, I suspect that they don't actually know what a healthy diet is or else what processed means when it comes to food.9 -
Have you asked your parents/guardians if they would mind buying more fruits/veggies or whatever it is you'd like to eat? Barring budget issues most of us like to see our kids eat the food we buy and would be happy to fulfill reasonable requests for said food.1
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paperpudding wrote: »kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
^ This post is just full of silly extremes.
Of course most people would not feed a young baby a cookie ( although I personally might give an older baby, say, 12 months, one) but we are assuming in our answer on MFP that we are talking about the diets of adults.
We are also assuming, unless stated otherwise, that the person doesnt have allergies or medical conditions - so, if OP had coeliac disease we probably wouldnt suggest having a small burger. Common sense.
and yes, people may well choose to spend their money at a local family store rather than Mcdonalds - but that is an ethical decision, nothing to do with nutrition - and particularly irrelevant to OP since her question is about how to do this when when she works at Mcdonalds.
Our cancer rates are higher than in the past due to one main reason - people are living longer than in the past and therefore living long enough to get cancer
and other big causes of death such as vaccine preventable diseases and antibiotic treatable infections have plummetted - thus cancer proportionately kills more people.
Of course we can control our cancer risk too - dont smoke, get skin changes checked etc - but eating processed food in moderation - No not a risk and no reason they cant be part of people's diet.
So, yes, there are those of us who bang on about all food is ok - because it is.
Of course in moderation and as part of a balanced diet and and in appropriate portion sizes
Diagnostics have improved too.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Setting aside the "slob" stuff, the things I wished I'd done as a teen to help with being healthier are (1) learn about weights and strength training; (2) gotten into a more regular running schedule rather than just running a lot when I felt like it and then not running much for ages; (3) learning to cook well; and (4) really made eating vegetables a priority (I did eat them a decent amount anyway, since for my parents they were a normal part of eating a meal, but reading good vegetable cookbooks and getting excited about preparing them might have made my 20s more healthy).
Those are things I'd recommend.
As for McD's, if OP works there and has reason to eat there (which seems like it might be the case due to time there and free food or deep discounts), explore the salad and grilled chicken and egg mcmuffin type options, as others have said. I don't like McD's and wouldn't find it tempting even without having to be there all the time (everyone I know who worked at a restaurant or food place found they went off the food after a while -- I remember friends who worked at BR who said they couldn't stand the thought of eating ice cream anymore), but there certainly are healthful options. Beyond that, the main problem (at least from my POV) of eating a McDonald's meal regularly, if you control calories, is that they tend to lack veg and the fries are really high cal for the nutrition. A burger or grilled chicken with salad (or with veg brought from home) is probably a reasonably balanced meal.
Understanding your personal goals matters, too. I'm not sure why OP thinks she is not healthy, but if she does, she can focus on making healthier choices related to those things.
I am also wondering just how old OP actually is.
I like these points. They are also things I wish I'd learned when I was younger. I think for me, though, another part of the issue was self esteem. Schools don't really seem to teach much about nutrition, so I didn't understand it. I just assumed I was always going to be fat and ugly (poor self esteem) no matter how I ate, so I didn't care.
I also worked in fast food as a teen..I think a lot of people did. We also received the discounted meals, and people would constantly grab snacks here and there because it was available and right there in front of them. I gained weight, but it wasn't specifically from the fast food job. How many teens spend 40 hours or more a week at work, especially while in school? Probably not that many. At most, I was there maybe 20-25 hours each week, so it wasn't just the job affecting me. My overall diet and lifestyle was horrible outside of work. I think the people who are blaming the job are only looking at a small part of the story. What goes on outside of the restaurant is important, too.
I don't know about OP''s job, but at my job, we were also allowed to leave the restaurant during meal breaks. We didn't always have to eat the food there if we didn't want to. Which was good because, yes, you do get sick of it. I can't actually pinpoint the last time I ate at that restaurant after I quit, and that was 15 years ago..
Or maybe bringing meals from home is an option?
This problem doesn't necessarily go away after working in a job with food, though. How many posts do we see on here where people complain about the constant availability of high calorie foods at the office, etc? If anything, this is a great learning opportunity for OP to figure out ways to cope with that issue...
Ironically enough, though, it was that fast food job that made me realize I enjoyed cooking, and it made me want to learn more about it, so it wasn't all bad...4 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Setting aside the "slob" stuff, the things I wished I'd done as a teen to help with being healthier are (1) learn about weights and strength training; (2) gotten into a more regular running schedule rather than just running a lot when I felt like it and then not running much for ages; (3) learning to cook well; and (4) really made eating vegetables a priority (I did eat them a decent amount anyway, since for my parents they were a normal part of eating a meal, but reading good vegetable cookbooks and getting excited about preparing them might have made my 20s more healthy).
Those are things I'd recommend.
As for McD's, if OP works there and has reason to eat there (which seems like it might be the case due to time there and free food or deep discounts), explore the salad and grilled chicken and egg mcmuffin type options, as others have said. I don't like McD's and wouldn't find it tempting even without having to be there all the time (everyone I know who worked at a restaurant or food place found they went off the food after a while -- I remember friends who worked at BR who said they couldn't stand the thought of eating ice cream anymore), but there certainly are healthful options. Beyond that, the main problem (at least from my POV) of eating a McDonald's meal regularly, if you control calories, is that they tend to lack veg and the fries are really high cal for the nutrition. A burger or grilled chicken with salad (or with veg brought from home) is probably a reasonably balanced meal.
Understanding your personal goals matters, too. I'm not sure why OP thinks she is not healthy, but if she does, she can focus on making healthier choices related to those things.
I am also wondering just how old OP actually is.
I like these points. They are also things I wish I'd learned when I was younger. I think for me, though, another part of the issue was self esteem. Schools don't really seem to teach much about nutrition, so I didn't understand it. I just assumed I was always going to be fat and ugly (poor self esteem) no matter how I ate, so I didn't care.
Yes -- I wasn't overweight (kind of like OP), but disliked my body and also assumed I had no real control over my body, it just was what it was unless I fad dieted and was willing to be miserable, which I was not. That's one reason why I wish I'd learned about strength training, but understanding nutrition and weight loss might have been helpful too. (I was lucky that my parents ate pretty much normal, healthy meals so I understood what one would look like even though I knew nothing specific about nutrition or even what a "carb" was and "protein" (other than it's in meat) and so on until much later.
Then again, when I did get into something as a teen I could be an insufferable know-it-all and overly all or nothing, so maybe for the best my food and nutrition obsessions developed a little later. ;-)1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Huh???
OP is a teenager at school with a part time job at McDonald's.
I hope you are not serious Therealobiand the joke or sarcasm just wasn't obvious to me.
Ha. Not serious. I am a mcdonalds customer.
I just dislike the ops thead title and the one from the processed food hater.
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PennWalker wrote: »incomingtrouble wrote: »
So, I guess my question is, how do I manage to be healthier and not eat the garbage at our house while also not depriving myself of anything to eat?
I went in a McDonald's today to have coffee with a friend. I ordered a black coffee and a small side salad with Italian dressing. While I was waiting for my food, I looked at the people who worked there and the people in line and only saw one person at a normal weight -- who was a child. Everybody else was overweight.
If it were me, I would find a job somewhere else. I wouldn't be able to work at McD's without eating the food and would end up weighing 900 pounds. Maybe you have more willpower than I do.
Here's my suggestion. Meal plan. Eat stuff that is nutritious and filling before you eat anything else -- make a contract with yourself. For example, oatmeal for breakfast. Include vegetables with a protein for your other meals.
If you eat that food first, and track your calories, then eat whatever else you want -- French fries or whatever it might be if you have the calories.
I used to eat at the McDonald's next to my house less often when I was obese than I do now that I'm not.
I "eat" at McDonald's almost every day, several times a day.
In the past I ate "occasionally" and would order one or two sandwiches and medium or large fries, saving on the pop by skipping or getting diet pop. On average each meal would have been...1000-1500 Cal between sandwich, fries, and condiments.
I now "eat" a large coffee with 2.66oz of 2℅ milk, oatmeal with Apple slices and cranberries and raisins (sometimes using the sugar packet and sometimes not), egg McMuffins often with an extra egg, (sometimes sausage McMuffins though they push the calories and are high in saturated fat) mcdoubles, or single hamburger or cheeseburgers, or the beef patty (or fish fillet patty, or grill chicken patty) by itself over a salad with no dressing, often ice cream cones, limit the higher calorie cheaper muffins in favour of ice cream... and in general make sure that my total food for the day fits my macros, fits my calories, doesn't leave me too hungry, and fits my budget and time constraints/lifestyle.
My average meal at McDonald's is now 350 - 600 Cal, if that.5 -
shadowfax_c11 wrote: »Step one.
Stop defining people who don't have your idea of perfect bodies and eating habits as slobs.
Could not have said it better.7 -
kiwiapplepear wrote: »This reply is no so much to the poster of the questions but others of you who bang on that all food is ok...I find this attitude that there are no bad or unhealthy foods crazy, would you feed a baby processed cookies etc... (home made/whole foods fine) there are sooo many GMO, artificial synthetic food additives which ARE bad and unhealthy... and should be part of NO persons diet, all whole natural foods are healthy in moderation, but in this time we are not just dealing with "normal food" we are dealing with chemically altered ingredients, our cancer rates are insane compared to the past, you are lying to yourself if you think processed food is fine in moderation. Some times its a question of where we want to put our money... do i want to give McDonalds. my cash? no I would rather support the small business owners. to the poster... I would do things like buy a big bag of apples and nuts and really good yoghurts wouldn't cost a lot, and then work around what your folks are already eating, just supplement your diet with fresh fruit. take the fruit yogurt etc... to work. You could also try out new recipes with your family if they like eating fried foods, fries etc... you could make your own homemade sweet potatoes ships, fries, baked in olive oil see if they like them (they prob will), influence things gently.
Well, not sure why everyone suddenly defends McDonald's so much, and why kiwiapplepear is under so much criticism and ambush. Generally, she's correct, processed foods are not so good and healthy, we should try to avoid them, if possible, for our own good, supporting small businesses in your neighborhood is wonderful especially if they work hard to bring a good change, in our food choices, for instance. Also, she pointed out some healthy changes OP can make for herself and her family, including getting involved and helping out with cooking. All good things to try. I, myself, do not eat processed foods for years, a lot of home cooked meals, relatively inexpensive, and mostly organic too. I believe it's a good approach for me ans my family, although i won't be preaching foe everyone to do the same, but i think if i can cut back the unneeded chemicals and additives out of my diet, it can only benefit me.
She's under criticism, from me at least, is because the foods she's saying are "bad" for us are ones she herself eats.
"Those who live in glass houses,..." etc.8
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