If you stop drinking Diet soda will you lose more weight?

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  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    edited December 2016
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=diet+soda+and+weight+gain

    If you like the bubble factor of soda, try flavored seltzer (Polar has the best flavors IMO) it has no added sweeteners, sodium, anything... just carbonated water and natural flavor.

    As @Hornsby illustrated, there is support on the internet for pretty much any silly theory.

    A Google search is not sufficient.

    .... a Google search is sufficient.. if you read the articles that come up from reliable sources... WebMD, etc. You still need to check sources and fact check.. just because a search produces results it doesn't mean that it is true.

    And... there is a big difference between "do artificial sweeteners cause weight gain" and "is the earth flat"

    I'm not a fan of WebMD but from that site, in reference to diet soda-

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-sodas-and-weight-gain-not-so-fast#4

    http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20161110/daily-can-of-soda-boosts-odds-for-prediabetes-study-finds#1

    eta: second article focuses mostly on regular soda, but there a couple spots where it talks about diet soda and pre-diabetes. This is especially interesting to me, as a former prediabetic and a frequent drinker of diet soda :)

    Quote from the second article, "However, a can of diet soda every day does not boost prediabetes risk, the researchers found."

    Note the bold and italics.

    Yep, I drink diet soda every day now, and my former high glucose number is now in the normal range, courtesy of my weight loss :) Diet soda has not negatively affected my weight or my health markers in any way.
  • Running_and_Coffee
    Running_and_Coffee Posts: 811 Member
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.

    I don't think anyone contests that if you eat fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If eliminating diet soda causes one to eliminate other foods as well and that creates a deficit or a larger deficit, weight loss will be the result.

    But the same thing could happen if someone replaced regular soda with diet soda (and didn't increase calories in other areas) or drank regular soda in the context of a diet that had a calorie deficit and so on and so on.

    So if someone finds it easier to have a deficit when they aren't drinking diet soda, that person will lose more weight. But it isn't because of the diet soda itself -- it's the other changes that are driving it.

    Agree. I think any decision someone makes that results in them being more selective about what they eat is probably going to be a good thing--that was my point. For me, it was avoiding chemicals...for someone else, maybe they start eating only grass fed beef or sustainably caught fish. It's not that the action directly causes weight loss, it's that the mentality of caring more about what you eat that has the byproduct of eating less (which DOES equal weight loss.)
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    storyjorie wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.

    I don't think anyone contests that if you eat fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If eliminating diet soda causes one to eliminate other foods as well and that creates a deficit or a larger deficit, weight loss will be the result.

    But the same thing could happen if someone replaced regular soda with diet soda (and didn't increase calories in other areas) or drank regular soda in the context of a diet that had a calorie deficit and so on and so on.

    So if someone finds it easier to have a deficit when they aren't drinking diet soda, that person will lose more weight. But it isn't because of the diet soda itself -- it's the other changes that are driving it.

    Agree. I think any decision someone makes that results in them being more selective about what they eat is probably going to be a good thing--that was my point. For me, it was avoiding chemicals...for someone else, maybe they start eating only grass fed beef or sustainably caught fish. It's not that the action directly causes weight loss, it's that the mentality of caring more about what you eat that has the byproduct of eating less (which DOES equal weight loss.)

    I'm really glad it worked for you!
  • Running_and_Coffee
    Running_and_Coffee Posts: 811 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.

    I don't think anyone contests that if you eat fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If eliminating diet soda causes one to eliminate other foods as well and that creates a deficit or a larger deficit, weight loss will be the result.

    But the same thing could happen if someone replaced regular soda with diet soda (and didn't increase calories in other areas) or drank regular soda in the context of a diet that had a calorie deficit and so on and so on.

    So if someone finds it easier to have a deficit when they aren't drinking diet soda, that person will lose more weight. But it isn't because of the diet soda itself -- it's the other changes that are driving it.

    Agree. I think any decision someone makes that results in them being more selective about what they eat is probably going to be a good thing--that was my point. For me, it was avoiding chemicals...for someone else, maybe they start eating only grass fed beef or sustainably caught fish. It's not that the action directly causes weight loss, it's that the mentality of caring more about what you eat that has the byproduct of eating less (which DOES equal weight loss.)

    So people who drink diet soda, eat things like Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine, in moderation, don't care about what we eat?

    No. Being more thoughtful about what you eat likely will lead to weight loss because you also will be thinking about quantity. That could be thoughtful about avoiding chemicals or thoughtful about another goal that's important to you.
  • Running_and_Coffee
    Running_and_Coffee Posts: 811 Member
    [/quote]

    I don't try to avoid chemicals.

    I like water. And air. And food.[/quote]

    I am fairly new to the MFP community and obviously committed some kind of huge faux pas by implying that there is anything wrong with Oreos, Lean Cuisines and the like, because I'm picking up on some hostility that I never intended to inspire. I'll just clarify that I personally feel better physically and mentally when I decide to devote my 275 calories to, say, a grilled chicken salad with some pumpkin seeds and goat cheese and beets, rather than a very small tray of frozen food, but if works for you, that's awesome. I ate nonstop frozen diet meals throughout my 20s (which was a really, really long time ago) and probably would have been really annoyed if anyone judged me for my nightly mini-lasagna session, followed by a Snackwell sandwich cookie, which I savored like it was creme brulee. Anyway, very sorry if I offended anyone. :-(
  • Sara1791
    Sara1791 Posts: 760 Member
    storyjorie wrote: »

    I don't try to avoid chemicals.

    I like water. And air. And food.[/quote]

    I am fairly new to the MFP community and obviously committed some kind of huge faux pas by implying that there is anything wrong with Oreos, Lean Cuisines and the like, because I'm picking up on some hostility that I never intended to inspire. I'll just clarify that I personally feel better physically and mentally when I decide to devote my 275 calories to, say, a grilled chicken salad with some pumpkin seeds and goat cheese and beets, rather than a very small tray of frozen food, but if works for you, that's awesome. I ate nonstop frozen diet meals throughout my 20s (which was a really, really long time ago) and probably would have been really annoyed if anyone judged me for my nightly mini-lasagna session, followed by a Snackwell sandwich cookie, which I savored like it was creme brulee. Anyway, very sorry if I offended anyone. :-([/quote]
    Welcome to mfp! :)
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited December 2016
    storyjorie wrote: »

    I don't try to avoid chemicals.

    I like water. And air. And food

    I am fairly new to the MFP community and obviously committed some kind of huge faux pas by implying that there is anything wrong with Oreos, Lean Cuisines and the like, because I'm picking up on some hostility that I never intended to inspire. I'll just clarify that I personally feel better physically and mentally when I decide to devote my 275 calories to, say, a grilled chicken salad with some pumpkin seeds and goat cheese and beets, rather than a very small tray of frozen food, but if works for you, that's awesome. I ate nonstop frozen diet meals throughout my 20s (which was a really, really long time ago) and probably would have been really annoyed if anyone judged me for my nightly mini-lasagna session, followed by a Snackwell sandwich cookie, which I savored like it was creme brulee. Anyway, very sorry if I offended anyone. :-(

    I'm glad you found something that works for you, and your salad sounds really good (even though I don't eat meat).

    The issue I have with what you're saying is that you seem to feel that making the conscious choice to eat better will also result in eating less.

    I can tell you that my own experience didn't bear this out.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited December 2016
    storyjorie wrote: »
    I am fairly new to the MFP community and obviously committed some kind of huge faux pas by implying that there is anything wrong with Oreos, Lean Cuisines and the like, because I'm picking up on some hostility that I never intended to inspire. I'll just clarify that I personally feel better physically and mentally when I decide to devote my 275 calories to, say, a grilled chicken salad with some pumpkin seeds and goat cheese and beets, rather than a very small tray of frozen food, but if works for you, that's awesome. I ate nonstop frozen diet meals throughout my 20s (which was a really, really long time ago) and probably would have been really annoyed if anyone judged me for my nightly mini-lasagna session, followed by a Snackwell sandwich cookie, which I savored like it was creme brulee. Anyway, very sorry if I offended anyone. :-(

    Well, you didn't offend me (for what it matters), and the chemical stuff is not meant personally, I'm sure. The point that is being made is just that everything is made of chemicals, so avoiding "chemicals" isn't really a thing you can do, or that would be good for you anyway.

    Given your own goals, Oreos or Lean Cuisines may or may not work, but not because they contain "chemicals."

    I don't think Oreos are that great when compared to other sweets I could use the calories for (homemade snickerdoodles, for example, or ice cream or good cannoli), so for me they are usually not the best choice, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be for someone who truly loves them (hi, Carlos!), and if you compare the same calorie amount of my snickerdoodle and an Oreo, they are probably about the same from a nutrition POV (and not that tough to fit into a balanced, healthy, nutrient-dense day, at least at the calorie goal I have).

    Similarly, I rarely eat frozen meals (there are times I might grab one because I'm coming home from work unexpectedly at 11 and want to eat something and not cook and didn't prepare for this in advance and don't feel like just having a smoothie), but the problem IMO with frozen meals for me (same as what you say above, even) is that I don't find them that tasty or satisfying (and they tend to be lower calorie than I want -- 275 is way low for a meal IMO, even though the one's I've seen are more like 350-400 or so). I don't know if I could do a grilled chicken salad with goat cheese and pumpkin seeds and beets for 275 either, actually, although it sounds good. It's not that someone who eats them isn't choosy about what they eat or care what they put in their body or whatever.

    I do agree that focusing on changing your diet or eating more healthfully CAN be a motivating thing and for many of us easier than just cutting calories (since it gives you a positive thing to focus on, and sometimes building a habit by doing things rather than not doing things is an easier way to think of it), but I'd agree with others that giving up diet Coke (or whatever) isn't especially likely to be a way to really better one's diet and that when focusing on cutting calories it's likely not the best priority.

    BUT, I certainly would agree that for any particular person it might be.

    (I don't drink a lot of diet Coke, but I do drink it, and I don't think I am uncaring about nutrition. I do have my own things I focus on, like you said, but I expect everyone does just in different ways.)
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    storyjorie wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.

    I don't think anyone contests that if you eat fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If eliminating diet soda causes one to eliminate other foods as well and that creates a deficit or a larger deficit, weight loss will be the result.

    But the same thing could happen if someone replaced regular soda with diet soda (and didn't increase calories in other areas) or drank regular soda in the context of a diet that had a calorie deficit and so on and so on.

    So if someone finds it easier to have a deficit when they aren't drinking diet soda, that person will lose more weight. But it isn't because of the diet soda itself -- it's the other changes that are driving it.

    Agree. I think any decision someone makes that results in them being more selective about what they eat is probably going to be a good thing--that was my point. For me, it was avoiding chemicals...for someone else, maybe they start eating only grass fed beef or sustainably caught fish. It's not that the action directly causes weight loss, it's that the mentality of caring more about what you eat that has the byproduct of eating less (which DOES equal weight loss.)

    So people who drink diet soda, eat things like Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine, in moderation, don't care about what we eat?

    No. Being more thoughtful about what you eat likely will lead to weight loss because you also will be thinking about quantity. That could be thoughtful about avoiding chemicals or thoughtful about another goal that's important to you.

    I understand what you are saying that mindfulness and having a plan is what ultimately is the greatest predictor of success. For me, knowing that I can eat any food in moderation, is what has enabled me to be successful. That includes things like diet soda, wine, pizza, Doritos and Oreos. I enjoy cooking from scratch and do try to make nutrition a priority, but convenience foods and processed foods in moderation are just part of my success story.
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    richln wrote: »
    Heads of the US Dept. of Health and Human Services, US Food and Drug Administration, and the USDA (who make the official US Dietary Guidelines), all confirm that diet sodas make you gain weight.
    [1],[2],[3]

    :laugh:

    You made my day.
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    storyjorie wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.

    I don't think anyone contests that if you eat fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If eliminating diet soda causes one to eliminate other foods as well and that creates a deficit or a larger deficit, weight loss will be the result.

    But the same thing could happen if someone replaced regular soda with diet soda (and didn't increase calories in other areas) or drank regular soda in the context of a diet that had a calorie deficit and so on and so on.

    So if someone finds it easier to have a deficit when they aren't drinking diet soda, that person will lose more weight. But it isn't because of the diet soda itself -- it's the other changes that are driving it.

    Agree. I think any decision someone makes that results in them being more selective about what they eat is probably going to be a good thing--that was my point. For me, it was avoiding chemicals...for someone else, maybe they start eating only grass fed beef or sustainably caught fish. It's not that the action directly causes weight loss, it's that the mentality of caring more about what you eat that has the byproduct of eating less (which DOES equal weight loss.)

    So people who drink diet soda, eat things like Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine, in moderation, don't care about what we eat?

    No. Being more thoughtful about what you eat likely will lead to weight loss because you also will be thinking about quantity. That could be thoughtful about avoiding chemicals or thoughtful about another goal that's important to you.

    I personally eat nutritious foods....and delicious delicious 'junk'. To me, food is food.

    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.
  • Tacklewasher
    Tacklewasher Posts: 7,122 Member
    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.

    Would I be shunned if I said I didn't like Oreos?

  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    grmckenzie wrote: »
    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.

    Would I be shunned if I said I didn't like Oreos?

    Yes. Yes you would.

    :D
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    grmckenzie wrote: »
    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.

    Would I be shunned if I said I didn't like Oreos?

    Meh I'm not keen on them either. They're one of the more boring tasting biscuits I've tried. There are so many "more yummier" bickies to choose from.

  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    grmckenzie wrote: »
    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.

    Would I be shunned if I said I didn't like Oreos?

    I don't like them much, myself. Far inferior to the Nutter Butter.

    OMG, that's the truth!
  • ccsernica
    ccsernica Posts: 1,040 Member
    edited December 2016
    storyjorie wrote: »
    Not literally...however, I did quit diet soda a few years ago as part of a "eat cleaner ingredients" effort, and the lasting impact on me has been being more conscious of what I eat. Eating Doritos and Oreos or a frozen Lean Cuisine seems a little more "normal" when you regularly ingest black fizzy fake stuff every day. I am thinner than I was when I drank diet soda regularly, not because the soda itself had calories but because my mindset has changed. I also cut out Splenda and began making my own sauces, jellies, etc.
    Yes, this. People gain weight on diet sodas when they're not carefully tracking their consumption carefully because on some mental level they give themselves permission to eat more of something else. Walk into McDonald's and suddenly it's OK to get the super-size fries because you're having a Diet Coke with it.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    grmckenzie wrote: »
    By the way, Oreos have a decent amount of iron in them.

    Would I be shunned if I said I didn't like Oreos?

    I don't like them much, myself. Far inferior to the Nutter Butter.

    My (former :'( ) cat agrees.