Help what am I doing wrong? I cant lose weight
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diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
My MD told me nothing like that.
When my MD addressed my health issues, I said, "but I'm a whole foods vegetarian!!!!"
She stood there shaking her head at me and said it didn't matter and then told me how many calories to eat.8 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?7 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Do you realize how little training most MDs have in nutrition?: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
There have been numerous posters on MFP over the years who have said their doctors advised them to eat low-carb, eat low-fat, drink scam supplements from MLM peddlers, etc. A friend of mine is a RN with over 30 years of experience, and talking to her about diet and nutrition is like watching to the Dr. Oz show and reading a woman's magazine at the same time. She's so full of woo and has so many misconceptions about nutrition that I don't go anywhere near the subject with her anymore because it makes me want to beat my head against the nearest hard surface. Despite her medical training, experience and the fact that she's spent over 30 years working with/around doctors, she's completely 100% clueless about nutrition.5 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.4 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?
Respectfully, doctors typically direct you to a food pyramid to ensure you are consuming a well balanced diet.0 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
I've worked with several doctors and nope, none of them told me to focus on eating a certain way, or labeled food 'healthy' vs 'not healthy' or 'good' or 'bad. You are right about the calorie thing though and that's the only thing I've focused on, not only to lose 50lbs, but to also improve all my health markers and blood panels (no longer a prediabetic either, go me!).
I ate fast food regularly during my weight loss phase and I still eat it regularly now almost 4 years into successful maintenance. My current MD is very pleased with where I'm at with my health and we've discussed my diet, weight loss and maintenance in some detail. She has no problem with me eating out, drinking diet soda etc. In fact, she told me to keep doing what I'm doing because I'm one of only a handful of her patients who have managed to keep off the excess weight for any length of time. She's also kind of passed me around the practice and I've shared my story with others there, because again-I'm one of the statistical unicorns who are successfully maintaining
I enjoy eating out and there's absolutely no reason for me to eliminate it.
I'm happy for your weight loss. I know it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. I do feel like if you asked your MD what he/she would recommend for long term weight loss, or what they think about frequent junk food in a persons diet they would tell you to eat healthy, monitor your calories and exercise. If they didnt tell you that and told you to eat all the junk food you wanted I would very weary of his/her overall medical advice. This is not to say one cannot indulge in anyway, but junk food just shouldn't be a ones consistent 'go to food' in one's diet.
Like I said above-I've had very in-depth conversations with my doctor about how I eat, have shown her food diaries, have talked to her about eating out, have had extensive blood work panels done (2x a year for the past 5 or so years), and my doctor is very pleased with what I'm doing. And again-I am living long term weight loss. I'm a statistical anomaly, and have done something that the vast majority of people who have tried losing weight have not been able to do-I'm successfully maintaining. Why would my doctor then tell me to do something different? The proof is in my stats which are posted in my profile area, along with before/after pictures, for anyone interested in taking a peek.
And no one here is advocating a diet of only fast food or 'junk' food. On average I eat 90 meals and 30 snacks a month (3 meals/1 snack a day). On average I eat fast food 12 times a month (3 meals a week). The other 78 meals and 30 snacks are at home and includes all sorts of foods. It's all good
eta: OP-sorry we kind of got off track here with tangents!
I think that your ratio to junk food and healthy home cooked food seems totally balanced and is a good example to present to mfp users. Where I tend to want to delve deeper is when people somewhat suggest that people don't need to focus on healthy food. I'm very glad you indicated your ratio of quality food vs junk food. This is very helpful to others to create a healthy balance in their lifestyle.
And also, why is it always assumed that fast food =/= healthy? If it's a salad from home with chicken, lettuce, veggies, and dressing, it's healthy, but if you get the exact same thing in the drive thru, it's somehow not?
Because free range nutrients are wandering about your kitchen at home and jump into your food. Restaurants don't have free range nutrients so their food isn't as nutritious. At least that's the only reason I can think of.
Haha, if something is wandering around in the kitchen, jumping into food...I'm calling the exterminator!7 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?
Respectfully, doctors typically direct you to a food pyramid to ensure you are consuming a well balanced diet.
And well balanced diets can and often do include fast food. They also don't require going 100% organic (the other half of the post you said you agreed with). But you've missed answering the actual question asked.4 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?
Respectfully, doctors typically direct you to a food pyramid to ensure you are consuming a well balanced diet.
Yes. That has nothing to do with fast food.3 -
Any particular reason you are doing 30-40g of carbs a day? That seems awfully and (nearly) impossibly low. There's carbs in almost everything, even fruit. Are you sure you're logging everything correctly? I'm trying to think of how you could even get close to 1300 calories with that few of carbs...
It's called keto...they eat high fat.0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
I've worked with several doctors and nope, none of them told me to focus on eating a certain way, or labeled food 'healthy' vs 'not healthy' or 'good' or 'bad. You are right about the calorie thing though and that's the only thing I've focused on, not only to lose 50lbs, but to also improve all my health markers and blood panels (no longer a prediabetic either, go me!).
I ate fast food regularly during my weight loss phase and I still eat it regularly now almost 4 years into successful maintenance. My current MD is very pleased with where I'm at with my health and we've discussed my diet, weight loss and maintenance in some detail. She has no problem with me eating out, drinking diet soda etc. In fact, she told me to keep doing what I'm doing because I'm one of only a handful of her patients who have managed to keep off the excess weight for any length of time. She's also kind of passed me around the practice and I've shared my story with others there, because again-I'm one of the statistical unicorns who are successfully maintaining
I enjoy eating out and there's absolutely no reason for me to eliminate it.
I'm happy for your weight loss. I know it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. I do feel like if you asked your MD what he/she would recommend for long term weight loss, or what they think about frequent junk food in a persons diet they would tell you to eat healthy, monitor your calories and exercise. If they didnt tell you that and told you to eat all the junk food you wanted I would very weary of his/her overall medical advice. This is not to say one cannot indulge in anyway, but junk food just shouldn't be a ones consistent 'go to food' in one's diet.
Like I said above-I've had very in-depth conversations with my doctor about how I eat, have shown her food diaries, have talked to her about eating out, have had extensive blood work panels done (2x a year for the past 5 or so years), and my doctor is very pleased with what I'm doing. And again-I am living long term weight loss. I'm a statistical anomaly, and have done something that the vast majority of people who have tried losing weight have not been able to do-I'm successfully maintaining. Why would my doctor then tell me to do something different? The proof is in my stats which are posted in my profile area, along with before/after pictures, for anyone interested in taking a peek.
And no one here is advocating a diet of only fast food or 'junk' food. On average I eat 90 meals and 30 snacks a month (3 meals/1 snack a day). On average I eat fast food 12 times a month (3 meals a week). The other 78 meals and 30 snacks are at home and includes all sorts of foods. It's all good
eta: OP-sorry we kind of got off track here with tangents!
I think that your ratio to junk food and healthy home cooked food seems totally balanced and is a good example to present to mfp users. Where I tend to want to delve deeper is when people somewhat suggest that people don't need to focus on healthy food. I'm very glad you indicated your ratio of quality food vs junk food. This is very helpful to others to create a healthy balance in their lifestyle.
but where does anyone ever advocate that?
Why is it always assumed that when people say 'you can eat fast food and still lose weight', that it's some sort of binary 'you must only eat french fries and Big Macs' or 'You must eliminate all fast food'?
Like today for instance, I had a breakfast sandwich and a latte from Starbucks for breakfast (and it's digesting just fine, thank you very much). It was a bacon, egg, and gouda sandwich...perhaps that is "unhealthy"? This afternoon I'll probably have some homemade soup or a salad. See how that works? I can have both fast food and non fast food. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing scenario.
And also, why is it always assumed that fast food =/= healthy? If it's a salad from home with chicken, lettuce, veggies, and dressing, it's healthy, but if you get the exact same thing in the drive thru, it's somehow not?
The user said: 'I've worked with several doctors and nope, none of them told me to focus on eating a certain way, or labeled food 'healthy' vs 'not healthy.' The truth is no doctor would say cheeseburgers and fries is healthy, what they would say is to consume it in moderation.
You seem to be reading into what she said. To me, "didn't tell me to eat a certain way" doesn't mean "didn't say eating an overall healthy diet is not a good idea" -- as you seem to have inferred. Instead, it either means that the doctor didn't give advice on nutrition (didn't assume poor nutrition was a problem) or didn't say that one had to cut out specific foods or do low carb or low fat or paleo or DASH or any number of other diets or "dieting advice" that get spread on MFP (IMO more from blogs or books or women's mags than actual knowledge about nutrition).
OF COURSE it's a good idea to eat a generally healthy diet, although that has zero to do with the specific claim being rebutted (NO fast food) or the question (why am I not losing weight). IMO -- and you may disagree, I guess -- it is insulting to assume that someone doesn't know that eating a generally good healthy diet is a good idea or that they are not unless they cut out fast food, that they instead are eating all fries or some such.
Beyond this, individual foods aren't really healthy or not -- they have more or less micros and other nutrients we need, and what nutrients we need depends on what else we are eating and context. I make burgers occasionally and don't see them as "junk food" -- I eat them with vegetables and in the context of a day and they help me meet my protein goals and taste good. I don't eat a lot of fries (fried food isn't usually worth the calories to me and I don't enjoy frying things at home) but I will order them at a restaurant on occasion and again, don't see why that's a problem in the context of a healthy diet. This is the same as everything else I eat. I also eat potatoes quite frequently (roasted normally) with a balanced meal and know that they provide some good micros and for me are filling (I don't find fries filling, so when I eat them it's for taste, but that doesn't make them bad).I realize that this person's entire diet obviously did not completely consist of junk food but I think it's important that she clarify the portion of junk food she eats for others. Which she responsibly did which is fantastic.
This, to me, sounds like you think others are stupid. Probably this wasn't the intent, but I really don't understand the fear that if a poster doesn't say "you should cut out fast food" or explain how she includes it in her diet that others will go to an all burger and fries and soda diet. People know what a healthy diet is. People can exercise common sense or not, they won't ignore nutrition unless we tell them not to in every post (or maybe they will, but if so what we say won't matter).In response to your last point I actually feel like there are healthy options at fast food places and adovcate that people attempt to incoprorate these on occasion (ex: why not incorporate a salad instead of fries, or water instead of a fountain drink). There are days where of course you will want the burger, fries and a fountain drink, but its best not to make this an overly frequent occurrence (any MD would advocate the same).
I think this indicates that you are making assumptions about what others will do and what they must be told by you. Why assume some random poster not even posting about fast food needs to be told how to include it (or not) in her diet?
Again, maybe this goes back to a history of how people used to eat or something, but I think most people know what a decent diet is or can learn what it is and based on that can figure out how to include restaurant food (including fast food) in their diet or not. Why act as if fast food is some special category that people must be warned against?
Personally, if I was going to a doctor or RD for nutrition advice, I'd want to have it explained what a good diet includes. If they didn't do that but instead boiled it down to "don't eat fast food" or "if you go to McD get a salad and water" I'd be upset, as they don't seem to be giving me credit for sense or how to figure out how to create a healthy diet on my own. Maybe some prefer rules to follow and not the reasons underlying them, but to me when someone does that it feels condescending and insulting.3 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
I've worked with several doctors and nope, none of them told me to focus on eating a certain way, or labeled food 'healthy' vs 'not healthy' or 'good' or 'bad. You are right about the calorie thing though and that's the only thing I've focused on, not only to lose 50lbs, but to also improve all my health markers and blood panels (no longer a prediabetic either, go me!).
I ate fast food regularly during my weight loss phase and I still eat it regularly now almost 4 years into successful maintenance. My current MD is very pleased with where I'm at with my health and we've discussed my diet, weight loss and maintenance in some detail. She has no problem with me eating out, drinking diet soda etc. In fact, she told me to keep doing what I'm doing because I'm one of only a handful of her patients who have managed to keep off the excess weight for any length of time. She's also kind of passed me around the practice and I've shared my story with others there, because again-I'm one of the statistical unicorns who are successfully maintaining
I enjoy eating out and there's absolutely no reason for me to eliminate it.
I'm happy for your weight loss. I know it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. I do feel like if you asked your MD what he/she would recommend for long term weight loss, or what they think about frequent junk food in a persons diet they would tell you to eat healthy, monitor your calories and exercise. If they didnt tell you that and told you to eat all the junk food you wanted I would very weary of his/her overall medical advice. This is not to say one cannot indulge in anyway, but junk food just shouldn't be a ones consistent 'go to food' in one's diet.
Like I said above-I've had very in-depth conversations with my doctor about how I eat, have shown her food diaries, have talked to her about eating out, have had extensive blood work panels done (2x a year for the past 5 or so years), and my doctor is very pleased with what I'm doing. And again-I am living long term weight loss. I'm a statistical anomaly, and have done something that the vast majority of people who have tried losing weight have not been able to do-I'm successfully maintaining. Why would my doctor then tell me to do something different? The proof is in my stats which are posted in my profile area, along with before/after pictures, for anyone interested in taking a peek.
And no one here is advocating a diet of only fast food or 'junk' food. On average I eat 90 meals and 30 snacks a month (3 meals/1 snack a day). On average I eat fast food 12 times a month (3 meals a week). The other 78 meals and 30 snacks are at home and includes all sorts of foods. It's all good
eta: OP-sorry we kind of got off track here with tangents!
I think that your ratio to junk food and healthy home cooked food seems totally balanced and is a good example to present to mfp users. Where I tend to want to delve deeper is when people somewhat suggest that people don't need to focus on healthy food. I'm very glad you indicated your ratio of quality food vs junk food. This is very helpful to others to create a healthy balance in their lifestyle.
And also, why is it always assumed that fast food =/= healthy? If it's a salad from home with chicken, lettuce, veggies, and dressing, it's healthy, but if you get the exact same thing in the drive thru, it's somehow not?
Because free range nutrients are wandering about your kitchen at home and jump into your food. Restaurants don't have free range nutrients so their food isn't as nutritious. At least that's the only reason I can think of.
This post makes me a little nervous, and as I was looking at your avi, the cat's eyes seemed to start glowing. Hmmmm.....5 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?
Respectfully, doctors typically direct you to a food pyramid to ensure you are consuming a well balanced diet.
The pyramid isn't used any more and had problems.4 -
There's so much derp in this thread, I don't even know where to start...6
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diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Can I ask what credentials you have that allow you to speak for all MDs?
Respectfully, doctors typically direct you to a food pyramid to ensure you are consuming a well balanced diet.
The pyramid isn't used any more and had problems.
I should say that the bigger point is the one made above, that this doesn't mean one can't include some fast food choices, of course. The pyramid, like the 3 squares or food group concepts from before it and the MyPlate stuff now (or the Harvard Healthy Eating Plate which is my favorite) is about getting in nutrients that you need and not eating lots of extra calories. These are concepts about overall diet.1 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
Again, that has nothing to do with fast food.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Any particular reason you are doing 30-40g of carbs a day? That seems awfully and (nearly) impossibly low. There's carbs in almost everything, even fruit. Are you sure you're logging everything correctly? I'm trying to think of how you could even get close to 1300 calories with that few of carbs...
It's called keto...they eat high fat.
Yep, and this being the case -- which I'd forgotten -- chances are OP isn't eating lots of fast food burgers and fries anyway (since they are not only high fat but also pretty high carb), so I'm not sure why this is where this thread has gone.1 -
Uhhhhh...72 hours is three days. So if a hamburger took up to three days to digest, wouldn't that be in the window of 24 to 72 hours? Beyond that I won't bother addressing Ms. Dooley's obvious lack of understanding about how the digestive process works.AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
Question for you: Do you suppose there would be a difference if it was a homemade hamburger using 92% fat-free, organically-fed beef and a whole grain bun vs. a "fast food" hamburger from McDonalds? What differences in health and digestion do you think that would make? Do you think the effect would be different upon the body?5 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?3 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
Again, that has nothing to do with fast food.
Or weight loss.
Most think that quickly-digested foods (which almost certainly includes plenty of fast food) are a problem for weight loss because they can result in a spike and crash that makes some people hungry in a short amount of time. Many healthy people won't have this issue, but many do, which is why a lot of people find quick carbs (white bread, sugary things, lower fiber/higher sugar fruits, like those in fruit salad) to be not satisfying, or not satisfying long term. Those people often find it helpful to eat foods with more fiber (to slow digestion) or fat (same).
Harder to digest (like protein, with a higher TEF, or fiber) simply does not make a food more "fattening" -- quite the opposite, as was explained above. Thus, why on earth would the claim that fast food is "hard to digest" instill fear in a dieter (although it seems quite unlikely to be true, because fast food involves lots of low fiber carbs typically, although not always)?
OP is doing a HFLC diet, and part of the reason for that is often slower digestion to help with the appetite, I think.
(For the record, hard to digest and fast to digest are different. Fat is more slowly digested than low fiber carbs, but is not harder to digest -- it's TEF is equally low or lower and many HFLC dieters will say a benefit has to do with elimination (although not going there any further than necessary). Fiber, which most consider healthy, IS hard to digest and to some extent not digestible. Protein is also harder to digest in that it takes more calories to do so (higher TEF).)
This is all kind of interesting, IMO, but again probably not related to OP's issues.3 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
A hamburger is just ground beef...I don't think it's going to take any longer to digest than if I were to have a steak...or some chicken for that matter. Also, it's not really fat that makes meat, poultry, and fish harder to digest...it's protein. Also, not all hamburger is "fatty"...most places use 85/15...do you know what the difference is between 85/15 ground beef and, say, 85/15 ground turkey? Nothing...
Also, I don't really see how one food or another taking longer or shorter to digest really has anything to do with whether something is providing for nutrition. Also, proteins have a higher TEF...so from a calorie burning perspective, you're better off having the burger over the fruit salad...personally, I'll take the burger and a side of fruit salad.5 -
diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?
Apples are different. They would in fact digest at the same rate. Typical fast food, which tends to have to 3 times the amount of fat vs when cooked at home (ex: cooked in less oil and grease, substitute oven fries instead of deep fred fries) is harder to digest.0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?
Apples are different. They would in fact digest at the same rate. Typical fast food, which tends to have to 3 times the amount of fat vs when cooked at home (ex: cooked in less oil and grease, substitute oven fries instead of deep fred fries) is harder to digest.
What is your obsession with how long something takes to digest? It doesn't really have anything to do with anything...5 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?
Apples are different. They would in fact digest at the same rate. Typical fast food, which tends to have to 3 times the amount of fat vs when cooked at home (ex: cooked in less oil and grease, substitute oven fries instead of deep fred fries) is harder to digest.
The original post you agreed with said no fast food and eat 100% organic. Now apples are fine. And certain types of fast food. And maybe fast food in small amounts if your doctor says okay. And some fast food digests the same and some doesn't. Can you see why this discussion feels like it's going in circles?2 -
A quarter pounder is 20 grams of fat. 100g of 80/20 ground beef that I would cook at home... Also 20 grams of fat.
Just sayin'5 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?
Apples are different. They would in fact digest at the same rate. Typical fast food, which tends to have to 3 times the amount of fat vs when cooked at home (ex: cooked in less oil and grease, substitute oven fries instead of deep fred fries) is harder to digest.
We have a Fry Daddy 1 -
I made fries at home last month because we don't eat out anymore.
I cut them myself from russets, fried them slow at 300 F and then fast at 375, and they were the best damn fries I have had in *years.* I just sat there eating them saying "DAMN BUT I"M AWESOME!!"
Junk food? Not junk food?
(Answer: I don't really care. They were that darned awesome.)
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diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
What makes fast food harder to digest? Why wouldn't this be a good thing for weight loss (as laid out numerous times in this thread)? Eating healthy comes in a lot of forms. Why are you choosing to shame people for something that can absolutely fit into a healthy and balanced diet?
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Please tell me where I have shamed people? It is good for me to understand if I've used my speech inappropriately so I can adjust accordingly as my intentions are good. I feel like I simply shared my personal experience with food and indicated what a MD would tell you if you inquired about a healthy diet plan. When a doctor tells a patient to eat fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein and eat junk food in moderation is this 'shaming', or informing on good food choices?
Why is ground beef, lettuce, tomato, and a bun considered "junk"? Or sauce, bread, cheese, and toppings? Or the rice, beans, sofritas, and veggies I had at Chipotle last week?
A lot of comments were raised in the last three pages about why fast food is not harder to digest. You've ignored all of them. Continue to ignore all of them in favor of agreeing with the one person using all caps to SHOUT at people. You presume to know more about people and their dietary needs than they do. And now you're passing judgement on whether or not *their* choices meet *your* personal standards. You really don't see the problem here?
Nutrition and healthy diets are nuanced. They aren't about shouting down all fast food as junk, eat only organic, etc. Big changes and shouted directives can be scary for newer dieters. If you aren't going to back up what you say, are they all just to line up and ask you about each choice they make? I'll skip that in favor of arming them with better info instead of shouted fear mongering.
A quick illustration to illustrate that our bodies digest certain foods easier than others:
It takes about 24 to 72 hours for most people to digest food. However, because hamburgers are a fattier food, it can take up to three days to fully digest, according to research by Dian Dooley, an associate professor of Food Science and Human Nutrition. A fruit salad, on the other hand, only takes 30 minutes to digest because it’s easier for the body to break down water-laden fruits and veggies.
In no way am I trying to instill fear. Just advocate a well balanced diet, where one can indulge once in awhile but also make good food choices.
This says nothing about where the burger or the fruit were purchased. Apple slices from McDonald's take the same amount of time to digest as apple slices from my mom's apple tree. Different foods digest at different rates. This is known. It's not about "fast food" or "organic." Why do you keep moving the goal posts?
Apples are different. They would in fact digest at the same rate. Typical fast food, which tends to have to 3 times the amount of fat vs when cooked at home (ex: cooked in less oil and grease, substitute oven fries instead of deep fred fries) is harder to digest.
The original post you agreed with said no fast food and eat 100% organic. Now apples are fine. And certain types of fast food. And maybe fast food in small amounts if your doctor says okay. And some fast food digests the same and some doesn't. Can you see why this discussion feels like it's going in circles?
I personally do not eat fast food but as I mentioned before I understand that this is not for everyone so I do feel like it's fair to create the correct balance for those that do indulge in it rather than claim that it's OK for an MD to hold the belief that there is no 'healthy food' or 'non-healthy' food. An MD would not say deep fried fries are 'healthy' but would say you can have it now and then. This debate could likely go on for days. I've shared my opinion and experience. After the user that I responded to originally clarified her ratio of junk vs quality food she did a great job of demonstrating balance and great responsibility to others which I thought was fantastic and what people need to know.0 -
Nope.AntoinetteAngus wrote: »@najranforever. You are completely right. I have also witnessed this first hand. Fast food is hard to digest and once I decided to cut this out I drastically saw results as hard as it can be to refrain from it. Every medical doctor or deitician in the world will tell you that eating healthy is a major part of weight loss (combined with monitoring calories). I can't quite understand why people want to deny what even a dietician, who specializes in weight management, would tell you. I'm certain they (doctors and dieticians) have more knowledge and training than the average person.
The Dietitian I see regularly would disagree with this. The recommend a balanced diet without food demonizing. And, I trust her credentials and not someone who has....none.
No, eating healthy is not a part of weight loss. I was at my HIGHEST weight eating 'healthy' vegetarian. I wasn't losing weight. Why?
Because calories matter for weight loss.
Fast food is NOT hard to digest. Please provide scientific evidence for these claims.
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