Id love some advice
Kurriana
Posts: 25 Member
Greetings all!
I'll make this short and sweet
So i have high blood pressure and i know i really need to lose weight. However when i workout, usually after, i get a wicked spell of vertigo that goes away after a minute or 2. I know its attributed to my bp being high from working out, but heres where im confused. Im 270, id like to reach 240-250. How can i do this if i cant work out? Its discouraging to think that i cant do anything to meet my goal 
What exercises would you guys recommend to still start my journey again, without hurting myself?
Thanks for your time, guys!
I'll make this short and sweet
So i have high blood pressure and i know i really need to lose weight. However when i workout, usually after, i get a wicked spell of vertigo that goes away after a minute or 2. I know its attributed to my bp being high from working out, but heres where im confused. Im 270, id like to reach 240-250. How can i do this if i cant work out? Its discouraging to think that i cant do anything to meet my goal What exercises would you guys recommend to still start my journey again, without hurting myself?
Thanks for your time, guys!
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to lose weight you must only cut calories. working out is optional. And just walking is great if you can do that.7
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You can lose weight with just a calorie deficit, if you aren't able to exercise yet. You can walk, lift weights, take the elliptical or treadmill at a slower pace. And try not to change position too quickly...if you're laying on a bench doing exercises, sit and settle, then stand and settle before you start walking.3
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First, weight loss can be done without exercise. So that's a plus. Second, swimming or walking are both great ways to gently increase your calorie burn.
Aim for the calorie goal MFP gives you. Weigh your food. Log diligently. As you get closer to your goals, and you are feeling better, increase activity. There are some great threads to read to get you started.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest4 -
Please talk to your doctor about whether you are medically approved to exercise, and what type.0
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You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.1 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.5 -
TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
Jay Cutler motivates me to eat more french fries.
http://www.fitnflexed.com/article/jay-cutler-asked-about-iifym-interviewer-baffled
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mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.4 -
As most have said, losing weight is more about the intake than the burn.
That being said, working out is extremely important as well. A couple of issues you can look into is hydration and not cooling down. Dehydration is definitely a cause for feeling light headed when working out. If you primarily feel light headed after working out (rather than during), it could very well be that you're stopping short. Try taking 5 minutes to gradually cool down. If you're running, slow your pace and walk for a few minutes. If you're walking fast, just slow your pace. One of the guys on our running group, who is a super fit and fast runner, absolutely must cool down or he feels he will faint.
I would also suggest taking your blood pressure after your workout to see if it's actually higher than while you're exercising.0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
Jay Cutler motivates me to eat more french fries.
http://www.fitnflexed.com/article/jay-cutler-asked-about-iifym-interviewer-baffled
Quoting the article- "there's a lot about flexible dieting that the haters don't understand."0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
Jay Cutler motivates me to eat more french fries.
http://www.fitnflexed.com/article/jay-cutler-asked-about-iifym-interviewer-baffled
Quoting the article- "there's a lot about flexible dieting that the haters don't understand."
Are you calling me a hater? lol0 -
As others have said, all you need to do to lose weight is eat less. If exercise gives you vertigo, aim to just slightly increase your activity level by walking more throughout the day.
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TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.0 -
TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
Jay Cutler motivates me to eat more french fries.
http://www.fitnflexed.com/article/jay-cutler-asked-about-iifym-interviewer-baffled
Quoting the article- "there's a lot about flexible dieting that the haters don't understand."
Are you calling me a hater? lol
I didn't say that0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
There is no consensus on eating "clean."
@Kurriana - eat what you like to eat, just a bit less of it than you need to maintain your current weight.
I think one of the best tools I have is to log everything and learn from my food log. I didn't change my food all at once, it was a process of adding more vegetables to my meals and buying fewer "treat" type foods. One day at a time I made changes.
All I did was walk for 45 minutes 3-5 times a week. I lost 70 pounds in 2007-08. I still weigh in the mid-low of my BMI.
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mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats2 -
Greetings all!
I'll make this short and sweet So i have high blood pressure and i know i really need to lose weight. However when i workout, usually after, i get a wicked spell of vertigo that goes away after a minute or 2. I know its attributed to my bp being high from working out, but heres where im confused. Im 270, id like to reach 240-250. How can i do this if i cant work out? Its discouraging to think that i cant do anything to meet my goal
What exercises would you guys recommend to still start my journey again, without hurting myself?
Thanks for your time, guys!
Just repeating what has already been said here and I agree with:- You don't have to exercise to lose weight. Your MFP calorie goal is before exercise, so if you eat that amount, you will lose weight. You don't have to cut out any specific foods to lose weight, although obviously if your doctor suggested you avoid something due to your medical condition, that's a different story.
- Is it possible you aren't eating enough? If you are doing a strenuous workout, you should log it and eat back some of the calories.
- Walking is a great exercise to start with and work your way up if you want to as you progress.
- I would say I think a doctor's visit would still be a good idea to make sure the issue was your BP and to make sure it is okay for you to exercise right now.
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As others have stated, weight loss will be from your diet (calories in vs calories out) and while exercising does impact on the calories out, its a very small impact. I have high BP as well so a couple of tips that have worked for me and to be mindful of if your working out is in regards to weight lifting. Also, I am not a Dr., so I am not telling you to do or not do...I am just relaying information I have learned.
If you wear a weight lifting belt, make sure you don't go too tight or think about not wearing one at all for a while (link below if you want the research behind it) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232162207_The_Effects_of_a_Weight_Training_Belt_on_Blood_Pressure_During_Exercise
Related to above is anything that causes intra-abdominal and intra-thoracic pressure (so think squat and deadlift along with its variants). So even without a belt (the belt allows for greater intra-abdominal and intra-thoracic pressure to be achieved), these types of exercises will cause elevation in blood pressure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2632751
If you are lying down on a bench for an exercise, be mindful of how fast you stand up. Standing up too fast can cause an immediate drop in pressure which can cause a little dizziness.
Again, just a few things to be watchful of and something you might want to discuss further with your physician.
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For one, I'd talk to a doctor to determine what kind of exercise would be suitable for you. If you're light headed/vertigo from your exercise, that tells me that what you're doing most likely exceeds your current fitness capabilities. You don't have to...and shouldn't go from zero to 100 overnight...fitness is something that is built over time.
Secondly, as others have already stated, your calorie target is your target to lose weight without any exercise...you don't have to exercise to lose weight. Regular exercise is ultimately good for your overall health and it can make weight management easier, but it isn't necessary. Most people would do well to just try to move a bit more...when I started out, that was my focus...I wasn't out there killing myself with exercise that I wasn't physically really able to do from a fitness standpoint...I pretty much did nothing but walk for a couple of months.3 -
Thank you so much guys! I will go back to walking to ramp up again. I used to run attractions at universal so i was always moving. Now im at a desk job and i gained all of my loss back from stress. My dr is confident that if i can get back down that my vertigo will stop. I appreciate all of your insight and I will do everything I can and start slow.
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mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats
I wouldn't really consider ground beef clean. Too much fat. I know you can buy it leaner, but still. From what I've watched they eat a lot of skinless, baked, or pan seared chicken, brown rice, cooked vegetables, fish, stuff like that. They motivate me to workout and pay attention to my diet. I eat mostly vegetarian.
They're freaks. I say that with the utmost respect. I don't want to be like them, because I think it's unhealthy, but they inspire me. If that's not your thing, find what is. Oh, I forgot to mention Big Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney.0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats
I wouldn't really consider ground beef clean. Too much fat. I know you can buy it leaner, but still. From what I've watched they eat a lot of skinless, baked, or pan seared chicken, brown rice, cooked vegetables, fish, stuff like that. They motivate me to workout and pay attention to my diet. I eat mostly vegetarian.
They're freaks. I say that with the utmost respect. I don't want to be like them, because I think it's unhealthy, but they inspire me. If that's not your thing, find what is. Oh, I forgot to mention Big Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney.
I would consider beef to be "clean". Gotta get fats from somewhere....
These guys eating lower fat meats like chicken/fish is usually saved for show prep, to "thin the skin" before competition as they say. (Really just cutting out more dietary fats to further reduce body fat..) From what I've seen, ground beef is very popular for competitors on and off season. Dietary fat is a good thing.
All the guys you've mentioned really are "freaks" as you said, weighing well over 200+ lbs in lean mass alone. To put on mass in the off season most of them do not eat the same foods they do during prep. The calories required for these guys to maintain, let alone gain weight, is ridiculous. Have you ever watched bulking videos from these big guys? A lot of them are eating entire pizzas for breakfast in the off season. When you weigh near 300 lbs in the off season, and it takes a crap load of calories to fuel training/life for a body that large.
It's cool that their prep diets motivate you, but most people aren't going to relate.3 -
TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats
I wouldn't really consider ground beef clean. Too much fat. I know you can buy it leaner, but still. From what I've watched they eat a lot of skinless, baked, or pan seared chicken, brown rice, cooked vegetables, fish, stuff like that. They motivate me to workout and pay attention to my diet. I eat mostly vegetarian.
They're freaks. I say that with the utmost respect. I don't want to be like them, because I think it's unhealthy, but they inspire me. If that's not your thing, find what is. Oh, I forgot to mention Big Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney.
I would consider beef to be "clean". Gotta get fats from somewhere....
These guys eating lower fat meats like chicken/fish is usually saved for show prep, to "thin the skin" before competition as they say. (Really just cutting out more dietary fats to further reduce body fat..) From what I've seen, ground beef is very popular for competitors on and off season. Dietary fat is a good thing.
All the guys you've mentioned really are "freaks" as you said, weighing well over 200+ lbs in lean mass alone. To put on mass in the off season most of them do not eat the same foods they do during prep. The calories required for these guys to maintain, let alone gain weight, is ridiculous. Have you ever watched bulking videos from these big guys? A lot of them are eating entire pizzas for breakfast in the off season. When you weigh near 300 lbs in the off season, and it takes a crap load of calories to fuel training/life for a body that large.
It's cool that their prep diets motivate you, but most people aren't going to relate.
There are other ways to get dietary fat. Extra virgin olive oil, avocados, eggs, flaxeed oil, cheese, and fish oil. The saturated fats in ground beef are not ideal. I mean it's better if you're buying organic meat, but who can afford it? Cows raised on grain to fatten them up, instead of pasture, factory farming, with cows put on antibiotics and slaughtered by the age of two just isn't meat I want to eat. I guess, if you cook it on the Foreman it could be considered clean, but not to me. It's mostly steak and skinless chicken and fish and shakes for protein for prep.
Like I said, they're on roids so their bodies use up a lot more protein and other nutrients to feed and build their huge muscles. They further thin their skin with the drugs and dehydration. They motivate me in general. Their life revolves around fitness. It just puts me into a fitness state of mind. Their freakish builds are formidable.
I know a lot of people won't relate. That's why I say go find someone who inspires you.0 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats
I wouldn't really consider ground beef clean. Too much fat. I know you can buy it leaner, but still. From what I've watched they eat a lot of skinless, baked, or pan seared chicken, brown rice, cooked vegetables, fish, stuff like that. They motivate me to workout and pay attention to my diet. I eat mostly vegetarian.
They're freaks. I say that with the utmost respect. I don't want to be like them, because I think it's unhealthy, but they inspire me. If that's not your thing, find what is. Oh, I forgot to mention Big Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney.
Well that's fine if you want to file ground chuck steak under unapproved food source, but your rules are completely arbitrary. The OP can follow your approved food source list exactly, and still gain weight if she does not achieve a calorie deficit. The point I am making is that the two bodybuilders you mentioned as an inspiration to eat clean do not even follow your definition of eating clean. During contest prep, many bodybuilders eat low fat because they are on poverty macros and need to keep their carbs up to maintain their workout intensity and their protein up to maintain lean mass. And yes, saturated fats in beef are absolutely ideal because if you are on low-fat diet, then testosterone synthesis is proportional to sat fat intake. One of the many reasons that off season diet is usually very different than contest prep diet.
I'm not trying to pick on you, so I hope you don't interpret this that way. I actually don't think your suggestions are harmful, but none of this conjecture about food rules will help the OP with her question about exercise with high BP.2 -
mgalovic01 wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »TresaAswegan wrote: »mgalovic01 wrote: »You got to go the diet route, before you can get into the condition where you can sustain exercise. By diet, I do not mean self deprivation. I mean changing the way you eat, because we all have a diet. Start eating healthier. More fruits and veggies. Less fried, greasy foods. Get into the habit of preparing your own meals. Pinterest has lots of good recipes. Look at how bodybuilders like Jay Cutler and Kai Green eat on Youtube. Switch from enriched wheat flower products to whole grains. Cut back on sugar. It takes time to revamp your diet, so don't get discouraged. Just keep incorporating healthier options little by little. It's can seem hard at first, but you'll start getting used to it in time, and it gets easier. Also, cut back on your salt/ sodium intake.
Going for walks might be good.
The average person does not need to eat like a pro body builder......
Above all, follow MFP's calorie suggestion for *your* body. Working on making healthier choices is a good idea, but calorie deficit is key.
I know the average person doesn't need to eat like a bodybuilder. It's just motivational and educational to me. You can take bits and pieces from it, or watch what people who you consider motivational do.
A calorie deficit isn't going to help much with high blood pressure, if she's getting too much sodium in her diet.
I don't believe she was asking how to improve her blood pressure, she was asking how she could lose weight.
Weight loss can in fact help lower blood pressure. So, yeah, I guess you could say that a calorie deficit *could* help with BP too.
I'm not saying don't attempt to eat healthier. A person could eat like those guys and gain weight though, which is not going to help her achieve her goal of weight loss.
The idea is to eat "clean". You don't have to eat as much as they do. I know they're on roids, so normal people aren't going to be duplicating their regimens, but they're inspirational. It's about getting ideas to form something for yourself, not just copying exactly what someone else is doing.
Kai Greene motivates me to try to eat 9 lbs of beef every day. That is only 36 quarter-pound burgers (throwing aways the buns of course to make it clean).
http://muscle-insider.com/features/how-predator-kai-greene-trains-supplements-and-eats
I wouldn't really consider ground beef clean. Too much fat. I know you can buy it leaner, but still. From what I've watched they eat a lot of skinless, baked, or pan seared chicken, brown rice, cooked vegetables, fish, stuff like that. They motivate me to workout and pay attention to my diet. I eat mostly vegetarian.
They're freaks. I say that with the utmost respect. I don't want to be like them, because I think it's unhealthy, but they inspire me. If that's not your thing, find what is. Oh, I forgot to mention Big Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney.
Well that's fine if you want to file ground chuck steak under unapproved food source, but your rules are completely arbitrary. The OP can follow your approved food source list exactly, and still gain weight if she does not achieve a calorie deficit. The point I am making is that the two bodybuilders you mentioned as an inspiration to eat clean do not even follow your definition of eating clean. During contest prep, many bodybuilders eat low fat because they are on poverty macros and need to keep their carbs up to maintain their workout intensity and their protein up to maintain lean mass. And yes, saturated fats in beef are absolutely ideal because if you are on low-fat diet, then testosterone synthesis is proportional to sat fat intake. One of the many reasons that off season diet is usually very different than contest prep diet.
I'm not trying to pick on you, so I hope you don't interpret this that way. I actually don't think your suggestions are harmful, but none of this conjecture about food rules will help the OP with her question about exercise with high BP.
From what I've seen carb intake goes down for prep. Carbs increase water retention. The diet turns to mostly protein and veg prior to a show. The thing is, they pay meticulous attention to their diet. They weigh out their food. They spend a lot of time and money doing that. That inspires me to pay more attention to my diet. As I keep restating, they're on roids. If they eat a whole pizza for breakfast and still work out, the majority of those calories are going to be used to synthesis muscles, not stored as fat, like for us nattys. I get that. There's no way they eat like that during prep though. They're disciplined. That's what inspires me. As far as them needing to synthesize testosterone, they don't. They get it from a needle. Plus, I rather not clog my arteries eating saturated fat. I can increase by test levels by eating almonds, green leafy and cruciferous veg, eggs, and getting enough vitamin D and other vitamins and minerals.0 -
Sticking to a balanced, low carb/low fat diet, drink lots of water and taking it easy with cardio. Walking is a great option. I highly recommend starting a weight lifting/strength training routine. Definitely start slow and work your way up - even with the diet/food. Making too many big changes makes it harder to stay consistent. You can do it!! Best of luck:)0
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