Ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph
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So while the somatotype thing has been shown to be irrelevant, threads like this crack me up with narrow minded views on body types and variability among people to look a certain way and/or gain muscle at different rates.
I think the bigger argument of on muscle gaining rates is how is it being measured. People commonly assume increased muscle definition and adaptations in the cns as muscle gains. When looking at controlled studies, there isnt a huge difference in rates.
Eta, i do ascribe to the fact there difference based on several variables, particularly noobs gains, but largely most people fall within a specific range.2 -
SingingSingleTracker wrote: »What body type are you? Do you chose your diet and exercise based on your body type? And do you think that each body type genetically comes with different metabolic tendencies?
I am classified as an endomorph. And all the things that I've read up on my body type seem to be true in my experience. The diet that is suggested for my body type, is a low carb or carb cycling diet, because my body type tends to be more sensitive to insulin/fat storage.
I am blown away by how many diets, suggestions, and opinions there are out there! Just curious if you think this one is legit?!
One gets crucified if they even dare to mention somatotypes here at MFP (or other places).
That's because somatotypes are the product of a psychologist who categorized people according to body types and then attributed various personality traits according to those body types. Ectomorph--anxious secretive introverts. Mesomorphs--adventurous and assertive. Endomorphs--fun, affectionate, social. In addition, he used naked photos of undergrads, without their permission, to demonstrate these categories. Somatotyping has a fairly disgusting beginning. Since then, the types have been further defined to require certain ways of eating or exercising (not form for golf swings, actually what types of exercise are better/worse for people of specific body types.)
I'd say that nobody would argue that there are different builds among people. That's pretty obvious to anybody with the gift of sight and/or touch.2 -
trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
I agree 100% with this-I have worked my azz off for every ounce of muscle I have.5 -
I am 5'7" 140lbs with a bf% of 23%
My goals is to lower my bf% to 20%
I've been eating in a deficit for over a month, and haven't lost a single pound. My maintenance level calories is 2,300. I've been eating 1,400-1,700 calories a day with an occasional refeed of 2,000- 2,300calories. I work out 6-7 days a week, 4 strength days, 2-3 HIIT days.
So since you @trigden1991 are the most brilliant man on earth, and I am clearly an ignorant idiot, please tell me where I can improve in order to see results.-1 -
I'm not the most brilliant, by a long shot lol, but I'm stalled too, although I only have a few to lose. The mayo clinic has a good read on weight loss plateaus.I am 5'7" 140lbs with a bf% of 23%
My goals is to lower my bf% to 20%
I've been eating in a deficit for over a month, and haven't lost a single pound. My maintenance level calories is 2,300. I've been eating 1,400-1,700 calories a day with an occasional refeed of 2,000- 2,300calories. I work out 6-7 days a week, 4 strength days, 2-3 HIIT days.
So since you @trigden1991 are the most brilliant man on earth, and I am clearly an ignorant idiot, please tell me where I can improve in order to see results.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/weight-loss-plateau/art-20044615
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I am 5'7" 140lbs with a bf% of 23%
My goals is to lower my bf% to 20%
I've been eating in a deficit for over a month, and haven't lost a single pound. My maintenance level calories is 2,300. I've been eating 1,400-1,700 calories a day with an occasional refeed of 2,000- 2,300calories. I work out 6-7 days a week, 4 strength days, 2-3 HIIT days.
So since you @trigden1991 are the most brilliant man on earth, and I am clearly an ignorant idiot, please tell me where I can improve in order to see results.
I'll ignore your sarcasm and take the compliment.
If you haven't lost weigh then you are eating too much. Firstly your maintenance seems quite high for your weight and your "occasional refeeds" are probably reducing the size of your deficit.
Consistency is key with weight loss and gain.8 -
trigden1991 wrote: »I am 5'7" 140lbs with a bf% of 23%
My goals is to lower my bf% to 20%
I've been eating in a deficit for over a month, and haven't lost a single pound. My maintenance level calories is 2,300. I've been eating 1,400-1,700 calories a day with an occasional refeed of 2,000- 2,300calories. I work out 6-7 days a week, 4 strength days, 2-3 HIIT days.
So since you @trigden1991 are the most brilliant man on earth, and I am clearly an ignorant idiot, please tell me where I can improve in order to see results.
I'll ignore your sarcasm and take the compliment.
If you haven't lost weigh then you are eating too much. Firstly your maintenance seems quite high for your weight and your "occasional refeeds" are probably reducing the size of your deficit.
Consistency is key with weight loss and gain.
And adding to this advice, do you use a food scale to weigh everything that is solid? And do you pick the right items from the database?3 -
I do use a food scale to weight my meats, breads, etc. and try to log as accurately as possible. I'm not going to starve myself any more then I already am, so I guess I'll just be content with 23%bf and slowly change my body comp through strength training.
I apologize for my sarcasm @trigden1991. I just don't like being treated like I'm stupid.0 -
I do use a food scale to weight my meats, breads, etc. and try to log as accurately as possible. I'm not going to starve myself any more then I already am, so I guess I'll just be content with 23%bf and slowly change my body comp through strength training.
I apologize for my sarcasm @trigden1991. I just don't like being treated like I'm stupid.
I think part of it is that you're at a really good level of body fat and it's just going to take time. Like when you're already small and just trying to get smaller, it's going to take longer than someone who is much bigger losing weight/fat.
Keep on your strength training and you may even look into doing a recomp which is eating at maintenance and lifting so then you're less starving. This is a much longer process though but it may protect your sanity.4 -
I took a sneak peek at your food diary, you need to weigh everything in which you do not. Your fish weigh exactly the same each time and the sweet potato was measured with cup measures. Food scale is your problem, fix that and you will be golden.
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I do use a food scale to weight my meats, breads, etc. and try to log as accurately as possible. I'm not going to starve myself any more then I already am, so I guess I'll just be content with 23%bf and slowly change my body comp through strength training.
I apologize for my sarcasm @trigden1991. I just don't like being treated like I'm stupid.
A recomp might be your best option. What kind of workout program are you following? How much protein?
Also, take into consideration that calculators or their inputs can be wrong. Look back at your average intake over the month and that is probably your actual maintenance.3 -
I i actually kicked my own butt the other day whilst doing a forward summersault.
Probably nothing to do with my body type..........it was icy outside and i had slippery shoes on 5 -
I'd agree that recomp should work better for you. You are at a good weight. Your deficit should be small when you have little to lose. .5 lb/week.
I do eat bread & ice cream regularly. The bread is whole wheat & 80 cal/slice. I might eat 2 pieces daily. I eat Edy's Slow
Churned ice cream which has half the calories but tastes great. I weigh my portion. When I had refeed days the were carb & fat refeeds but I still kept my calories at my deficit level. Most of the week I don't eat breakfast, eat fewer carbs at lunch and eat most of my carbs for dinner & snacks. It works well for me. I'm very consistent with my diet & workouts. If I go in vacation & eat way more bread & sweets unrestricted , yes, I gain fat.2 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
I gain muscle pretty easily on my lower body and I am female. I don't think this is all that abnormal.
An untrained female could hope to gain 1lb of muscle per month in the first year of training and less as they become more trained. Your legs may get bigger and stronger but muscle is not easily built by females.
Not trying be argumentative, actual question. If you're not gaining muscle then why do your legs get bigger (assuming you're not putting on fat)? I'm not talking about strength gains. I get increased strength does not equate to muscle gains and I get fat loss makes muscles appear bigger and more defined. I'm talking straight increase in size, inches.1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I took a sneak peek at your food diary, you need to weigh everything in which you do not. Your fish weigh exactly the same each time and the sweet potato was measured with cup measures. Food scale is your problem, fix that and you will be golden.
There are a bunch of "generic" recipe type entries too, which are bound to be inaccurate. Your daily calories seem to fluctuating anywhere from 1400-2000. You are already lean, so little stuff can make a big difference! Tighten up your logging, limit the higher cal days (after the holidays are over of course!) and see what happens, which will hopefully be slow but steady progress. And sometimes you do have to weigh your goals against what you are willing to do for them. Hope you find the sweet spot!2 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
I gain muscle pretty easily on my lower body and I am female. I don't think this is all that abnormal.
An untrained female could hope to gain 1lb of muscle per month in the first year of training and less as they become more trained. Your legs may get bigger and stronger but muscle is not easily built by females.
Not trying be argumentative, actual question. If you're not gaining muscle then why do your legs get bigger (assuming you're not putting on fat)? I'm not talking about strength gains. I get increased strength does not equate to muscle gains and I get fat loss makes muscles appear bigger and more defined. I'm talking straight increase in size, inches.
How much bigger. When you train hard, your muscles will draw in fluid to aid the muscle repair process. So i know when i train legs hard, my pants do get a bit tight in the thighs.1 -
Thanks @queenliz99 & @kimny72 I appreciate your constructive advice! I'll definitely work on that! Thanks for taking the time to look at my dairy
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I am a mutant-morph ...1
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I definitely think that health and fitness is very individualistic. Every person has there own genetic makeup, there own hormone levels, there own metabolisms... and not everyone is going to respond the same way to the same foods or workouts. People have intolerances, people have food allergies, and disabilities, people have there own individual obstacles they need to overcome in order to succeed.
I'm still dabbling in different things to figure out what clicks. I've definitely seen big results with resistance training, and am enjoying seeing my body composition slowly changing. But when it comes to fat loss, cutting calories and having the occasion refeed day, just isn't doing it for me. So many people keep telling me, "you can eat cake and ice cream everyday as long as it fits within your daily calories and macros," and that just simply isn't true for me. I've weighed my food, I've logged as accurately as possible, and yet I don't get results.
That's why I started looking into being an endomorph. And part of their genetic discription is that we can't get away with eating whatever we want. when we cheat, it shows immediately on the scale - which is true for me.
All that to say.... I'm not going to completely rule it out... there may be some bits of truth behind it, just like every other diet fad. Whether it be supplements, ketosis, carb cycling, you name it... the reason why it's become a thing, is because it's worked for some people. But I definitely don't think that your "body type," should be an excuse to complain or be lazy. But I do think it gives us a better idea of what we're working with.
where do people come up with this stuff?
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trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
You must be jealous of people that can actually gain easily lol
gaining weight does not equal gaining muscle ...so one that gains weight easily does not automatically gain muscle easily...1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
I gain muscle pretty easily on my lower body and I am female. I don't think this is all that abnormal.
An untrained female could hope to gain 1lb of muscle per month in the first year of training and less as they become more trained. Your legs may get bigger and stronger but muscle is not easily built by females.
Not trying be argumentative, actual question. If you're not gaining muscle then why do your legs get bigger (assuming you're not putting on fat)? I'm not talking about strength gains. I get increased strength does not equate to muscle gains and I get fat loss makes muscles appear bigger and more defined. I'm talking straight increase in size, inches.
water retention for muscle repair would be one...0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I took a sneak peek at your food diary, you need to weigh everything in which you do not. Your fish weigh exactly the same each time and the sweet potato was measured with cup measures. Food scale is your problem, fix that and you will be golden.
There are a bunch of "generic" recipe type entries too, which are bound to be inaccurate. Your daily calories seem to fluctuating anywhere from 1400-2000. You are already lean, so little stuff can make a big difference! Tighten up your logging, limit the higher cal days (after the holidays are over of course!) and see what happens, which will hopefully be slow but steady progress. And sometimes you do have to weigh your goals against what you are willing to do for them. Hope you find the sweet spot!
this ...if you are off 250 calories a day that can equal a half pound loss a week just by tightening up logging.0 -
@psuLemon Right now I'm doing a program called "live to Fail" by Ben Booker. He focuses on lighter weights, higher reps, with the occasional superset. It's broken up into Arms, Legs, bi's & tri's, chest & back, shoulders & abs! I'm currently using 15lbs as my "heavy" weight and 10lbs as my lighter weight. (Some days I'll go to my friends gym and use the squat rack and bar to lift heavier.) and my HIIT days I usually do Tabata/plyo type cardio.
My average day, I get somewhere around 145g of protein. Carbs/fats tend to fluctuate. I was restricting fats (32g) for a time to see if that helped, but have recently decided to try reducing carbs by increasing my fats to 65g.1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Anyone, especially female, who thinks they gain muscle quickly or easily is grossly mistaken.
I gain muscle pretty easily on my lower body and I am female. I don't think this is all that abnormal.
An untrained female could hope to gain 1lb of muscle per month in the first year of training and less as they become more trained. Your legs may get bigger and stronger but muscle is not easily built by females.
Not trying be argumentative, actual question. If you're not gaining muscle then why do your legs get bigger (assuming you're not putting on fat)? I'm not talking about strength gains. I get increased strength does not equate to muscle gains and I get fat loss makes muscles appear bigger and more defined. I'm talking straight increase in size, inches.
Water retention, fat and some muscle. In a surplus you'll always gain fat and for women, they gain fat than muscle.0 -
for those who believe that somatypes have to do with your ability to gain,lose or gain muscle heres a link(there are others out there as well)http://users.rider.edu/~suler/somato.html someone just took it and applied it to fitness or what have you,if we all had types I would fall into all 3 categories in some way or another,which is why its bunk.It had to do with body types and personality0
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They gain fat than muscle?????
Lets see some scientific evidence on that one please!!!
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@psuLemon Right now I'm doing a program called "live to Fail" by Ben Booker. He focuses on lighter weights, higher reps, with the occasional superset. It's broken up into Arms, Legs, bi's & tri's, chest & back, shoulders & abs! I'm currently using 15lbs as my "heavy" weight and 10lbs as my lighter weight. (Some days I'll go to my friends gym and use the squat rack and bar to lift heavier.) and my HIIT days I usually do Tabata/plyo type cardio.
My average day, I get somewhere around 145g of protein. Carbs/fats tend to fluctuate. I was restricting fats (32g) for a time to see if that helped, but have recently decided to try reducing carbs by increasing my fats to 65g.
Get in a progressive lifting program and lift some heavy weights. That'll change ya.8 -
@psuLemon Right now I'm doing a program called "live to Fail" by Ben Booker. He focuses on lighter weights, higher reps, with the occasional superset. It's broken up into Arms, Legs, bi's & tri's, chest & back, shoulders & abs! I'm currently using 15lbs as my "heavy" weight and 10lbs as my lighter weight. (Some days I'll go to my friends gym and use the squat rack and bar to lift heavier.) and my HIIT days I usually do Tabata/plyo type cardio.
My average day, I get somewhere around 145g of protein. Carbs/fats tend to fluctuate. I was restricting fats (32g) for a time to see if that helped, but have recently decided to try reducing carbs by increasing my fats to 65g.
How many reps are those? Cause that is awefully light to use for everything.4 -
@stevencloser 12-15 reps! 4 sets0
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Wow! I am more of a fitness newb that I thought... I was like what the *kitten* is an ectomorph? I was thinking it had something to do with Ghostbusters or the paranormal ROFL!
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