Clean vs Processed - Bragging
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Which is more my point. When both of these groups usually eat both clean and processed foods, shouldn't we all just agree that clean foods are good (because there really isn't any evidence that eating natural food is unhealthy) but that in today's society few people eat that way all the time, and that it's not unhealthy to eat processed too?
This is right! Most people do both.
From what I've seen, the "clean" eaters take flexible dieting and turn it into something it's not. They chastise it by saying there is not way you can eat poptarts all the time and be healthy. The point that is being missed is that most flexible dieters eat nutritious foods 80-90% of the time. When they talk about eating poptarts, ice cream, etc., it's just for fun and not meant to be a major part or their daily intake.0 -
All the clean eating debates lately have made me very curious about something. Why is that some feel the desire to brag about how much preprared or processed or junk (or whatever term you like) food they eat, while others brag about eating clean?
Often, if you check the open diaries, both contain both good amounts of both clean and processed/preprepared foods. So, what is it that makes 2 different people who eat similar diets brag about and deny/not mention the different parts of their diet?
For about the 10th time this week. The real issue resides in the, generally, preachy nature of the "clean eaters". Spouting off how the processed food will give you 31290471274 dieseases, you'll die of cancer overnight, your kids hair will fall out, & your ancestors will rise from the grave due to all the processed foods.
Blatently spreading bad information and demonizing food though is completely out of place, wrong, and dangerous to the general fitness, weight loss, & health community. Otherwise I don't care dafuq anyone puts in their body.
^This. And yes - it's the preachiness of it all - that's nice that you eat clean, but hey, i lost 16 pounds by not always eating clean (actually, more unclean than clean).0 -
All the clean eating debates lately have made me very curious about something. Why is that some feel the desire to brag about how much preprared or processed or junk (or whatever term you like) food they eat, while others brag about eating clean?
Often, if you check the open diaries, both contain both good amounts of both clean and processed/preprepared foods. So, what is it that makes 2 different people who eat similar diets brag about and deny/not mention the different parts of their diet?
For about the 10th time this week. The real issue resides in the, generally, preachy nature of the "clean eaters". Spouting off how the processed food will give you 31290471274 dieseases, you'll die of cancer overnight, your kids hair will fall out, & your ancestors will rise from the grave due to all the processed foods.
Blatently spreading bad information and demonizing food though is completely out of place, wrong, and dangerous to the general fitness, weight loss, & health community. Otherwise I don't care dafuq anyone puts in their body.
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For the love...why is this thread necessary after the 36 that came before it this week??????
You seem a little stressed.
Have you tried eliminating added sugar from your diet?
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Which is more my point. When both of these groups usually eat both clean and processed foods, shouldn't we all just agree that clean foods are good (because there really isn't any evidence that eating natural food is unhealthy) but that in today's society few people eat that way all the time, and that it's not unhealthy to eat processed too?
This is right! Most people do both.
From what I've seen, the "clean" eaters take flexible dieting and turn it into something it's not. They chastise it by saying there is not way you can eat poptarts all the time and be healthy. The point that is being missed is that most flexible dieters eat nutritious foods 80-90% of the time. When they talk about eating poptarts, ice cream, etc., it's just for fun and not meant to be a major part or their daily intake.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Right on the money0 -
Both sides can be annoying.
'I don't eat any food with chemicals in it because chemicals give you cancer and gluten and dairy intolerance and my ancestors didn't eat them' *tucks into sweet potato that didn't leave South America until a few hundred years ago*
Then the opposite
'Lol isn't it funny that you only eat vegetables and healthy food, you're so deprived, I ate pizza and Mcdonalds for every meal last week and I STILL LOST WEIGHT haha!' Well done you, unfortunately if I did that I'd be a balloon.0 -
I am still waiting for somebody to give me the definition of what a "clean food" is!
Food that took a bath.0 -
Humans are inherently prone to dogmatic thinking. If we weren't able to form strong belief systems we would never have survived as a species and the only reason why weak-willed people can survive currently is because of our modern society. No hate, it doesn't make anyone a bad person. "Everyone has their vice."
There is no such thing as clean/dirty foods and adhering to a small list of foods is the best way to get too much and/or too little of what the body needs (toxicity/deficiency) ... yet at the same time real IIFYM is not about fitting in as many pop tarts as possible and should be read as "If it fits your macros, fibre, micronutrients, phytonutrients, water intake, and doesn't cause you digestive problems"0 -
lol I once went veg for like a week and felt so high and mighty about it dunno why ^^
If I was even a bit of a braggy person I think I would have been annoying to others about it ^^0 -
Real clean eaters become bougie and look down on non-clean eaters. It's because they think they are more disciplined and knowledgeable than others.
I think it's all about moderation. It would be very difficult to truly eat 'clean' (organic fruits and veggies, range free meat) but I consider eating frozen veggies, fresh fruit, fresh veggies, whole wheat rice and bread, chicken and fish to be clean eating. Even though technically they're still touched by chemicals, its the least amount possible. Even though people can still lose weight eating fast food and foods highly saturated in fat and sugar that stuff can't be good for you in the long run. Just because you're losing weight or skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. I still eat these things every once in a while but it is pure crap for your body.0 -
Real clean eaters become bougie and look down on non-clean eaters. It's because they think they are more disciplined and knowledgeable than others.
I think it's all about moderation. It would be very difficult to truly eat 'clean' (organic fruits and veggies, range free meat) but I consider eating frozen veggies, fresh fruit, fresh veggies, whole wheat rice and bread, chicken and fish to be clean eating. Even though technically they're still touched by chemicals, its the least amount possible. Even though people can still lose weight eating fast food and foods highly saturated in fat and sugar that stuff can't be good for you in the long run. Just because you're losing weight or skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. I still eat these things every once in a while but it is pure crap for your body.
You are so misinformed about nutrition...0 -
Which is more my point. When both of these groups usually eat both clean and processed foods, shouldn't we all just agree that clean foods are good (because there really isn't any evidence that eating natural food is unhealthy) but that in today's society few people eat that way all the time, and that it's not unhealthy to eat processed too?
This is right! Most people do both.
From what I've seen, the "clean" eaters take flexible dieting and turn it into something it's not. They chastise it by saying there is not way you can eat poptarts all the time and be healthy. The point that is being missed is that most flexible dieters eat nutritious foods 80-90% of the time. When they talk about eating poptarts, ice cream, etc., it's just for fun and not meant to be a major part or their daily intake.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Right on the money
Seconded!!!! This is spot on!!! We just don't demonize the 10-20% of discretionary food that we do eat but get ridiculed like we eat nothing but pop tarts and twinkies all day long. It is really quite stupid, especially getting PM's in my inbox telling me I am going to die of cancer cause of the way I eat... Had I not taken control of my life 4 years ago and dropped the weight I have dropped I would NOT be sitting here typing this but there is one thing that I have learned throughout this whole process. Life is far to short to not enjoy life and if that means eating a piece of cake or some ice cream or a pop tart after I have met my macro nutrients for the day and still have some calories remaining to eat something I want, then I have earned that right... I have worked my *kitten* off to get to where I am but I won't sit by on here and read post demonizing food to the masses when there are quite a few people on here just starting out and need to keep it simple and lose weight first and foremost and as they learn the ins and out then they can make the decision for themselves which foods they choose to eat and which ones the don't.... and maybe I am missing these post from the IIFYM crowd where we/they are telling anyone they can't eat a certain way... We don't discriminate any foods unless we personally just don't like something, please feel free to link some of these to me if you have them cause I have been in these forum for quite sometime and can't say I have seen these posts...0 -
In all seriousness I don't think there's actually that much showing off from either side.
If there is I think it is partly due to unconscious associations which they feel positive about and on some level help elevate social or peer status.
So, clean eaters: virtuous, ethical, disciplined
Dirty eaters: flexible, open minded, non conformist
Etc, etc.
You are wise beyond your years, young grasshopper.0 -
Bee spit is for baby bees. You don't see other species eating another animal's spit.just switch to raw honey. It's clean.0 -
The same reason you started this post...We have nothing better to do with our time.
plus we's hangry0 -
I don't care who eats "clean" or who eats "processed."
The only reason I'll ever post about it is to dispel the myth that you cannot achieve weight loss without eating "clean."
Other than that, I don't care.0 -
Because I really like cookies, pizza, and ice cream, but there are times during a cut where if I have to even look at another damn chicken breast I'd cut a beyotch. Today being one of those days, so if anyone has any gifs of Pop Tarts I can fantasize to, I'd be ever so appreciative.0
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Bee spit is for baby bees. You don't see other species eating another animal's spit.just switch to raw honey. It's clean.
my dog eats the kitty roca in the catbox........0 -
Because I really like cookies, pizza, and ice cream, but there are times during a cut where if I have to even look at another damn chicken breast I'd cut a beyotch. Today being one of those days, so if anyone has any gifs of Pop Tarts I can fantasize to, I'd be ever so appreciative.
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I hate when people say "I eat 80% clean" I mean I do actually eat 80% clean, although I have no time to actually check my math. It's just a stupid fad that needs to die lol0
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Because I really like cookies, pizza, and ice cream, but there are times during a cut where if I have to even look at another damn chicken breast I'd cut a beyotch. Today being one of those days, so if anyone has any gifs of Pop Tarts I can fantasize to, I'd be ever so appreciative.
Cat hair on a Pop Tart? Meh, I'd take it right now.0 -
I consider my self a flexible, open-minded clean eater
I have rid myself of a lot of processed foods and noticed the difference in my energy levels, moods, better sleep. And yes, I do eat about 80% clean - meaning I eat responsibly raised meats, organic fruits & veggies and void GMO's. I say 80% because when I look at everything that eat in a 24 hour period - about 80% of it is clean/unprocessed/non-GMO. But sometimes, you just gotta have a Twinkie! 0 -
I like how i feel when i eat clean and I like how the food i eat tastes. I ate a lot of processed food last week/month and I feel like crap because of it. I know that's why because i fixed it this week and I already feel better. People ask me what I eat or how I did it or what my diet is.. so I tell them. And I tell them why. It's not bragging to state what your diet is and why it works for you or why you follow it.
I'm one of those.. 80% or whatever percent clean eater.. why? because I eat organic whole raw foods, but I like to go out to eat too and I'm not gonna not go out to eat becuase the food isn't "clean" Also, i eat organic for reason outside of "i think it's healthier" so it's not mandantory, it's just a preference.0 -
Blatently spreading bad information and demonizing food though is completely out of place, wrong, and dangerous to the general fitness, weight loss, & health community. Otherwise I don't care dafuq anyone puts in their body.
This. To me, it's like the cardio vs. lifting debate. I have been on both teams, so I understand both sides of the argument. My practices have evolved over time to reflect my goals and what works for me. I don't care what other people eat or how other people train. The only thing I have a problem with is when people say things that are flat-out untrue or at very least unproven in an attempt to justify their own choices.0 -
Which is more my point. When both of these groups usually eat both clean and processed foods, shouldn't we all just agree that clean foods are good (because there really isn't any evidence that eating natural food is unhealthy) but that in today's society few people eat that way all the time, and that it's not unhealthy to eat processed too?
This is right! Most people do both.
From what I've seen, the "clean" eaters take flexible dieting and turn it into something it's not. They chastise it by saying there is not way you can eat poptarts all the time and be healthy. The point that is being missed is that most flexible dieters eat nutritious foods 80-90% of the time. When they talk about eating poptarts, ice cream, etc., it's just for fun and not meant to be a major part or their daily intake.
Right. That's my point. Most everyone eats both clean and unclean. So why do some wish to portray that they do one and some the other?
I think someone had the right idea earlier when they said it comes down to what you are more proud of (paraphrasing their answer). Some are proud that they've cleaned up their diet, even if not 100%, while some are proud that they haven't had to give up the processed stuff.0 -
Because I really like cookies, pizza, and ice cream, but there are times during a cut where if I have to even look at another damn chicken breast I'd cut a beyotch. Today being one of those days, so if anyone has any gifs of Pop Tarts I can fantasize to, I'd be ever so appreciative.
I am to please....
Enjoy!!
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Bee spit is for baby bees. You don't see other species eating another animal's spit.just switch to raw honey. It's clean.
Winnie the Pooh.0 -
I hate when people say "I eat 80% clean" I mean I do actually eat 80% clean, although I have no time to actually check my math. It's just a stupid fad that needs to die lol
just like these threads0 -
Because I really like cookies, pizza, and ice cream, but there are times during a cut where if I have to even look at another damn chicken breast I'd cut a beyotch. Today being one of those days, so if anyone has any gifs of Pop Tarts I can fantasize to, I'd be ever so appreciative.
I am to please....
Enjoy!!
Thank you! You are a true gentleman.0 -
Which is more my point. When both of these groups usually eat both clean and processed foods, shouldn't we all just agree that clean foods are good (because there really isn't any evidence that eating natural food is unhealthy) but that in today's society few people eat that way all the time, and that it's not unhealthy to eat processed too?
This is right! Most people do both.
From what I've seen, the "clean" eaters take flexible dieting and turn it into something it's not. They chastise it by saying there is not way you can eat poptarts all the time and be healthy. The point that is being missed is that most flexible dieters eat nutritious foods 80-90% of the time. When they talk about eating poptarts, ice cream, etc., it's just for fun and not meant to be a major part or their daily intake.
Right. That's my point. Most everyone eats both clean and unclean. So why do some wish to portray that they do one and some the other?
I think someone had the right idea earlier when they said it comes down to what you are more proud of (paraphrasing their answer). Some are proud that they've cleaned up their diet, even if not 100%, while some are proud that they haven't had to give up the processed stuff.
But eating clean is not just about eating non-processed foods. It's about eating non GMO foods and responsibly raised meats. Just eating fresh fruits, veggies and meats is not clean eating. Unfortunately, GMO's have even snuck their way into organic produce so unless you are buying local organic (farmer's markets), it's hard to eat clean. And FWIW, I have never met a person who eats 100% clean!0
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