No bread plus calorie counting
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She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...5 -
Celiac disease... gluten intolerant?1
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tlflag1620 wrote: »I use digital scales and weigh all my food. I am very active, run three times a week and walk - never eat my exercise calories back and I lost weight consistently for some time. However, I got to a place where I was stuck and not losing. Although we all know that being calorie deficient results in weight loss, I still think changing things can refocus the body and mind again. Everyone is still unique and for me physically, I think that much refined wheat was not good for my digestion. Mentally, I love bread with butter and so I was putting a lot of empty calories into my body and using up a lot of my daily calories. Now I am using these on fruit, vegetables, whole grain cous cous - feeling less tired, more comfortable and healthier - one more pound, I will be in the 10 stone bracket
Reposting this as op clearly said she loves bread....if you love bread you can still eat it and lose weight, period.
Find a lower calorie bread to replace the higher calorie bread or just reduce overall calories.
How long do you think you can eliminate something you love?
So far? 3 years and 6 months.
I love bread, but my body apparently doesn't agree with my mouth. I love bread a lot less than I love having hands that aren't chronically itchy, cracked, and bleeding. Now, yes, you would categorize this as a medical reason. And it is. But if I hadn't eliminated bread as part of a LCHF diet that I started purely for weight loss purposes (lost 50 lbs in seven months have have kept it off since February 2014), I never would have known that it was causing my chronic eczema (suffered with that for seven years - tried everything to get rid of it and nothing worked).
Point is, sometimes we don't know something (even something we "love") is causing us issues until we eliminate it.
I have many years experience dealing with severe food allergies. One of the things we learned over those years is that when a person absolutely loves a food (or craves it), *or* hates a food so much that they won't touch it, it makes them gag, etc., it very often means they have an allergy to it. The body is innately wise. If we listen to it, we are healthier for it. I would be willing to bet if OP were to do an ELISA test they'd show up allergic to gluten, wheat, and/or yeast, just based on how she feels physically when she eats bread. Listening to one's body is a good thing in this case.
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tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
it is not, I am just pointing out the futility of eliminating something that one loves, when it is not necessary for weight loss.
why is it so important to you that she does eliminate it?3 -
tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
it is not, I am just pointing out the futility of eliminating something that one loves, when it is not necessary for weight loss.
why is it so important to you that she does eliminate it?
I simply wished her well and shared that I felt better eliminating bread too. You're the one insisting that she shouldn't eliminate anything, even stuff that she says she feels better without, and that she says interferes with her ability to maintain a calorie deficit (due to her inability to moderate it).
I believe her when she says she feels better, and I believe that as a grown person, she knows herself well enough to know what works best for her. I could understand you chiming in if she was claiming that *everyone* needs to eliminate bread to feel better and successfully maintain a deficit (that would be patently false, plenty of people tolerate wheat just fine, and can moderate it well enough to fit it into their diets). But she never said that. At all.
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I've never eaten a lot of bread, as I don't really like it. Recently, I have started eating 1/2 to 1 bagel a day. I'm find this is helping me to reach my carb intake. I find it really hard to each the carb intake, I also manage the protein. I need to each more veggies as well.0
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tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
There is a tendency in these forums, particularly this one, to condemn some foods as inherently bad. Sometimes it's bread, sometimes it's other things. In this instance we have a thread title that alludes to eliminating bread and counting calories as the reason for success. She's been successful, well done.
Clearly it's not been eliminating bread, but making other food choices within a calorie goal. It's pretty clear from the original post that it was being in calorie surplus that led to weight gain.
It's also not inherently unhealthy except for a fairly small subset of people. Actual levels of gluten intolerance appear to be extremely low compared to the scale of the Gluten Free religion industry.
Some people choose not to eat bread, and that's fine. Lets not just attribute something that it's not. That's all.0 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
There is a tendency in these forums, particularly this one, to condemn some foods as inherently bad. Sometimes it's bread, sometimes it's other things. In this instance we have a thread title that alludes to eliminating bread and counting calories as the reason for success. She's been successful, well done.
Clearly it's not been eliminating bread, but making other food choices within a calorie goal. It's pretty clear from the original post that it was being in calorie surplus that led to weight gain.
It's also not inherently unhealthy except for a fairly small subset of people. Actual levels of gluten intolerance appear to be extremely low compared to the scale of the Gluten Free religion industry.
Some people choose not to eat bread, and that's fine. Lets not just attribute something that it's not. That's all.
I didn't see where the OP demonized bread (or gluten), nor where she attributed all of her success to eliminating bread (other than mentioning that it is one of those foods she has trouble moderating, personally). She appears well aware of how calories work (from her follow up posts).
There is a tendancy in these forums for some to condemn eliminating foods as inherently bad. For some people, it probably is (those that end up wanting those "forbidden" items all the more), and, as I said, I could understand jumping in and insisting that the OP should incorporate bread IF she was complaining of craving it and subsequently binging on it (or if she gave up bread, didn't lose wieght, and couldn't figure out why).
OP eliminated bread, feels better, lost weight (through a calorie deficit), and was sharing her success. And someone had to come along and insist that she is better off eating bread because no one should ever eliminate anything without a medical reason even if they feel better and find it easier to stick to their goals without it.... Hmmm.
OP - sorry your thread got hijacked by the anti-elimination religion brigade. Congrats on the success!
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tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
Yes, I love Thin Mints, but cannot moderate them, so chose to eliminate them. They're not in the house so no struggle.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
Yes, I love Thin Mints, but cannot moderate them, so chose to eliminate them. They're not in the house so no struggle.
But, but, but... If you don't have a medical reason to eliminate thin mints, you need to incorporate them or else you will be suffering!! The humanity!!
/snark
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tlflag1620 wrote: »I didn't see where the OP demonized bread (or gluten)
Didn't say she did. I also don't think she interpreted the initial observation as criticism. I'm amused at the spirited defence against an imagined slight.
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MeanderingMammal wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »I didn't see where the OP demonized bread (or gluten)
Didn't say she did. I also don't think she interpreted the initial observation as criticism. I'm amused at the spirited defence against an imagined slight.
The initial observation was all fine, well, and good. The insistence the the "only reason" to eliminate anything is for medical conditions, and that a life without bread is "torture" was made by ndj1979. And was rather hysterical and deserved to be called out. If he doesn't want to eliminate foods, and that works for him, great! But why the insistence that it can't work for anyone (unless you have a medical condition... then it somehow magically becomes sustainable and not "torutre"... not seeing the logic there).
It wasn't a defense against a perceived slight so much as a calling out of blanket statements, histrionic language, and my-way-or-the-highway rantings....
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MeanderingMammal wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »She also mentioned that she cannot moderate bread (among other things) and that since she knows this about herself, she has chosen to eliminate, rather than fail to reach her health goals simply because she happens to like something that she can't moderate.
Why is it so important to you that she incorporate bread @ndj1979 ? I find that curious...
There is a tendency in these forums, particularly this one, to condemn some foods as inherently bad. Sometimes it's bread, sometimes it's other things. In this instance we have a thread title that alludes to eliminating bread and counting calories as the reason for success. She's been successful, well done.
Clearly it's not been eliminating bread, but making other food choices within a calorie goal. It's pretty clear from the original post that it was being in calorie surplus that led to weight gain.
It's also not inherently unhealthy except for a fairly small subset of people. Actual levels of gluten intolerance appear to be extremely low compared to the scale of the Gluten Free religion industry.
Some people choose not to eat bread, and that's fine. Lets not just attribute something that it's not. That's all.
But it has been eliminating bread, because by doing that the OP has been able to maintain the needed calorie deficit, and has stated that her stomach feels better as well.
A calorie deficit is needed for weight loss, but we don't just think ourselves into a deficit, we need to take specific actions to get ourselves there. Saying that "eliminating bread" hasn't been a factor in the OP's weight loss is like saying that "moving more" isn't a factor that contributes to someone's weight loss.
If someone says counting calories and exercise are the key to their success, is it appropriate to tell them "well, you don't technically need to exercise to lose weight, so you can't claim that"? Of course not, you congratulate them for discovering what works for them in reaching their goals. The response shouldn't be any different for a person who has chosen to eliminate a food from their diet that was preventing them from maintaining a calorie deficit.7 -
But it has been eliminating bread, because by doing that the OP has been able to maintain the needed calorie deficit, and has stated that her stomach feels better as well.
I'm feeling a great deal of sympathy for the originator at the moment, as this could easily turn into a sentence by sentence deconstruction of how we each interpreted her words.
I've read what she's said somewhat differently.
Equally you can unpick a half sentence within a response and attack that. Fine. Feel free.
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I've never been a huge fan of bread, but it's cheap. So last time I was cutting calories, a lot of my diet consisted of ham sandwiches... and it worked for me. It's 5-ish years since then and bread (basically ANY carbs) gives me heartburn.
So my current diet is very low-carb and I haven't had to take a Tums in a month.1 -
Also, congrats! You look lovely!1
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Thank you all for an interesting discussion. You are quite right that cutting out bread made a calorie deficit possible. However, before, when I ate bread, I chose to eat it and that meant my allocation of calories was not of healthy and filling foods. We are all different however, and maybe I might try bread again but right now it is working for me. I am currently teetering at 11.0 stone and waiting for a 10 stone anything to appear on the scales!5
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I lost 2 lbs again this week and now weigh 10 stone 12 lbs, so being calorie deficient and not eating bread is working still. I now eat fruit, nuts, seeds, salad and vegetables instead of chocolate, crisps, bread, cakes and pastry. My choice how I use my calories but I feel healthier and full7
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I don't really eat much bread either (I'm not that into it -- overeating it is not a concern at all), but I think the point people were making this that you may not perceive bread as filling, but some others do, there's not some common rule that it's better to cut out bread to lose weight or that it's bad for weight loss. Having a calorie deficit would work whether or not you ate bread (but if you think you'd not be able to keep a calorie deficit if you ate bread, not eating it makes sense -- for me it's just there are more interesting ways to use my calories!). ;-)
Smart to figure out ways to make it easier for yourself, though, and good job.3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't really eat much bread either (I'm not that into it -- overeating it is not a concern at all), but I think the point people were making this that you may not perceive bread as filling, but some others do, there's not some common rule that it's better to cut out bread to lose weight or that it's bad for weight loss. Having a calorie deficit would work whether or not you ate bread (but if you think you'd not be able to keep a calorie deficit if you ate bread, not eating it makes sense -- for me it's just there are more interesting ways to use my calories!). ;-)
Smart to figure out ways to make it easier for yourself, though, and good job.
^This. I have celiac disease and have to eat gluten free bread, and it's just not something I find worth the calories. I choose not to eat it either because it's not filling.3 -
I was calorie deficient and eating bread and now I am also calorie deficient and don't eat bread. I exercised before and never ate calories burned back, same now, still don't eat them back. I weighed and tracked everything before and I weigh and track everything now. The difference, the only difference is that I am not eating bread and the calories are being used for other filling and healthy foods. For me, being calorie deficient t was ok, being calorie deficient and not eating bread is resulting in consistent weight loss! I was stalled before and a change has put me back on track3
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I was calorie deficient and eating bread and now I am also calorie deficient and don't eat bread. I exercised before and never ate calories burned back, same now, still don't eat them back. I weighed and tracked everything before and I weigh and track everything now. The difference, the only difference is that I am not eating bread and the calories are being used for other filling and healthy foods. For me, being calorie deficient t was ok, being calorie deficient and not eating bread is resulting in consistent weight loss! I was stalled before and a change has put me back on track
You might have slightly greater thermic effect from the foods you're eating now or your logging might be more spot on. Or your exercise might be burning more.
What you're not doing is something that's defying the laws of energy balance because you gave up bread.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I was calorie deficient and eating bread and now I am also calorie deficient and don't eat bread. I exercised before and never ate calories burned back, same now, still don't eat them back. I weighed and tracked everything before and I weigh and track everything now. The difference, the only difference is that I am not eating bread and the calories are being used for other filling and healthy foods. For me, being calorie deficient t was ok, being calorie deficient and not eating bread is resulting in consistent weight loss! I was stalled before and a change has put me back on track
You might have slightly greater thermic effect from the foods you're eating now or your logging might be more spot on. Or your exercise might be burning more.
What you're not doing is something that's defying the laws of energy balance because you gave up bread.
This.
Also, perhaps your carbs are slightly lower resulting in water weight losses. This will happen for up to 2 weeks.3 -
Isn't it a little surly that you have to rain on my parade? I have worked hard - first of all counting calories and eating bread, now the same and given up bread. I feel healthier and happier, less bloated and I have gone from feeling stuck to losing weight again. But rather than be happy that I am using the calorie deficient rule, I am also finding my own individual body's way of losing weight. Because it doesn't fit you now need to say it is water loss etc. I won't be discouraged by your comments, I know what is working for me and will keep doing it. Sad though that the forum is so negative to people who are doing well and trying hard1
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Isn't it a little surly that you have to rain on my parade? I have worked hard - first of all counting calories and eating bread, now the same and given up bread. I feel healthier and happier, less bloated and I have gone from feeling stuck to losing weight again. But rather than be happy that I am using the calorie deficient rule, I am also finding my own individual body's way of losing weight. Because it doesn't fit you now need to say it is water loss etc. I won't be discouraged by your comments, I know what is working for me and will keep doing it. Sad though that the forum is so negative to people who are doing well and trying hard
No one is trying to rain on your parade, Joolie.
Try to think of it this way.
One of the most helpful things to help you on your path to success is to truly understand the process of weight loss and how it all actually works in order to make weight management a sustainable, lifetime practice for yourself.
People are trying to gently show you where your reasoning is faulty so that you can carry forward armed with knowledge.
In the future, if you find yourself wanting to eat bread again because you feel you might have gained the means to control the consumption of it, you'll know that it won't make a difference if you're simply keeping an eye on your caloric intake and any scale fluctuation you see will be due to water weight.1 -
Bread is not my problem ...it's all that deliciousness that goes on top that I love :-) Nice thick butter, lemon curd, peanut butter, honey - bread is just the transporter of the topping. Haven't cut it out but as I know it's a weakness I've cut right back and make sure I log each crumb.2
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tlflag1620 wrote: »Not sure how losing weight would make your stomach issues magically dissappear
Depends on the tummy issues. I'm looking forward to an improvement in acid reflux from losing weight - being obese definitely makes that worse (as does pregnancy, though I was cured of that some time ago).0 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Not sure how losing weight would make your stomach issues magically dissappear
Depends on the tummy issues. I'm looking forward to an improvement in acid reflux from losing weight - being obese definitely makes that worse (as does pregnancy, though I was cured of that some time ago).
True enough. Pressure on the stomach can defiantly contribute to acid reflux, be it excess pressure from a fetus (btdt... 4 times), or from excess visceral fat, and reducing it would help. I didn't get the sense that joolie had been at the no bread thing long enough, or lost enough weight, for it to be simply because of weight loss. And she didn't mention what her stomach issues were exactly. But, yes, you are correct, if an obese person loses enough weight, they may alleviate some of their acid reflux, assuming they have any.
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Not sure how losing weight would make your stomach issues magically dissappear
Depends on the tummy issues. I'm looking forward to an improvement in acid reflux from losing weight - being obese definitely makes that worse (as does pregnancy, though I was cured of that some time ago).
Having looked through the transition, the originator is reasonably accurate about logging intake, both before and after the gap she talked about. Nothing wrong with a gap, I hadn't logged for several months while maintaining, I've started again as I've got an ankle injury and can't train.
Before and after the logging gap diet has changed quite a lot, so there are a number of reasons stomach discomfort might have disappeared.1
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