Ok so if you have a Calorie deficit everyday does that guarantee weight loss??
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Symbolism, I dont understand what point you are making in your last post - I dont think anyone recomended french fries with every meal or smothering everything with sauce.
and you changed your dietary intake in a way that suited you and created a calorie deficit for you and that is fine, nobody would object to that - but when you start giving out generic statements like "once you eat properly clean..... " instead of "Once I eat properly clean........" (as you define clean) - then people like me point out that such is not neccesary or desirable for everyone - the generic 'you' whom the statement was made about.6 -
The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.2
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Finding a way to sustain success is just as individual as finding a way to lose weight. The way you sustain may work for you but it may not be a plan that can be followed long-term for everyone. There is no one true way.10 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »I don't see it as a large change, I see it as being more mindful of what you're consuming which I actually don't think calorie counting alone helps (from experience)
I'm highly dismissive of the paleo style of diet, equally as dismissive on the low carb style of diet because neither are feasible long term; but for instance, not having french fries every time you eat a meal, not smothering your food in sauce, not drinking soda by the gallon, not having three milky coffees a day, not thinking twice before having that second slice of cake, etc.
I see more a large change the whole "Well I want to get to 1200 calories a day consumed so I have enough of a defecit to lose a pound a week"
You're dismissive of low carb and yet started a thread here saying you're doing keto. Which is low carb...
You can be mindful of what you eat without cutting out all that stuff you consider 'unclean'. It's called moderation. Which is a hell of a lot more feasible than never eating cake again in my world.10 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Don't confuse "Eating anything I want" with eating...
In unlimited quantities
without regard to overall nutrition
It usually means without being overly restrictive.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »
You're dismissive of low carb and yet started a thread here saying you're doing keto. Which is low carb...
You can be mindful of what you eat without cutting out all that stuff you consider 'unclean'. It's called moderation. Which is a hell of a lot more feasible than never eating cake again in my world.
That's a common misunderstanding of Keto.
Keto isn't low carb; it's low net carb. ( Carb - Fibre = Net Carb) You still consume a pretty sizeable volume of your calories through carbs but in order to maintain a ketogenic state, you ensure the majority of those carbs come from high fibre sources ( Fruits, Nuts, Low Starch Vegetables, The right sorts of Sugar)
You're also working on a macro nutrient level that ensures your body is getting enough fuel in order to sustain itself, to ensure your appetite doesn't go off the chain and that you're not removing vital food groups from your diet.leanjogreen18 wrote: »Don't confuse "Eating anything I want" with eating...
In unlimited quantities
without regard to overall nutrition
It usually means without being overly restrictive.
That's kind of my point though, if you're ultimately thinking solely in regards to quantities and total calorific count; you're not changing the underlying behavior you have towards food. I've been there and done too many times to count.
In summary; I don't just want to lose 50-60lbs and think "Job done", I want a lifestyle that I can follow for the rest of my life. My experience and general experience tends to indicate those that get into heavy states of overweight need to change their psychology towards food to have sustainable long term success.
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Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.2
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This IS a change in thinking for me, I can eat the foods I want. I don't have to be overly restrictive - what a huge change in the way I look at foods.
Behavior is addressed in portion control and learning which foods are worth eating often and which foods should be eaten occasionally. You assume I'm eating pizza and doughnuts all the time in smaller quantities and that's not a fair assumption.
Overall a balanced diet can include pizza, sweets & fastfood to name a few demonized foods, on occasion within my calorie goal. Totally sustainable FOR ME.
But I'm glad Keto works for you. I won't try to dissuade you from eating that way if it's a sustainable woe for you.
Note caps for emphasis, not yelling:)6 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
Keep in mind plenty of folks are able to moderate sugar. I've done a decent job 6 months and counting.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
Well, if that is what you meant, why say the bits about French fries, and eating clean and no added sugar???.
And addressing them to generic 'you' - saying this worked for me is quite different to saying you should all do this.
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
Doesnt do that to me. I can eat foods with sugar in appropriate amounts without any such craving.
Seems to me lots of other people can too.
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Weight loss comes from a sustained calorie deficit. If you can guarantee that you are in a calorie deficit every day, weight loss is also guaranteed.
Maybe you aren't ready to eat less/move more, but that's okay.5 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
No, no it's not been scientifically been proven to be universally true in humans at all.
Rats? Maybe.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
No, no it's not been scientifically been proven to be universally true in humans at all.
Rats? Maybe.
Hey @GottaBurnEmAll, I was about to Beetlejuice you in here! Please also tell us what happened with your weight when you were eating 'clean'
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No.
Outside of the obvious - accurately weighing, measuring & logging food & drinks (that includes packaged goods, numbers can be way off), nutrition plays a role. In particular water, protein, fiber & sodium intake.
Add-in any medications you may take.
If you're a woman there are massive water fluctuations.
If you're stressed, the body reacts as well.
There is no right way, you have to find what works for you through trial & error. Even then, you'll have to switch things up every now & then.
If only it could be easy . . . best wishes!
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It is one of those things where there is two different ways of looking at it and both are fine really. One group cut down portions from what I have seen. They eat as they did before and don't avoid fast food, they just eat less. Another group that includes myself and symbolism see that by avoiding high calorie foods we create a better lifestyle away from temptation. I find it difficult to stay under my calorie allowance if I have 'high calorie' foods or fast food.
There is no perfect way - there is only your way. Nothing wrong with avoiding extra sugar or salt, that is your choice.
I prefer a lifestyle change and feel better going to the gym and eating fish and vegetables with a treat once a week as opposed to small treat everyday in lower portions. Its a mentality issue, not an issue of right or wrong - surrounded by low calorie foods I feel I am doing well
That's great!! I also workout with a customized plan from a trainer. I also eat vegetables (pescatarian if I need a label) I also eat lower calorie foods and have an occasional treat.
I'm not sure what the difference is:)
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MiamiSeoul wrote: »No.
Outside of the obvious - accurately weighing, measuring & logging food & drinks (that includes packaged goods, numbers can be way off), nutrition plays a role. In particular water, protein, fiber & sodium intake.
Add-in any medications you may take.
If you're a woman there are massive water fluctuations.
If you're stressed, the body reacts as well.
There is no right way, you have to find what works for you through trial & error. Even then, you'll have to switch things up every now & then.
If only it could be easy . . . best wishes!
It's not always easy, but it's simple. Weight (fat) loss is CI<CO. Everything else is noise.7 -
It is one of those things where there is two different ways of looking at it and both are fine really. One group cut down portions from what I have seen. They eat as they did before and don't avoid fast food, they just eat less. Another group that includes myself and symbolism see that by avoiding high calorie foods we create a better lifestyle away from temptation. I find it difficult to stay under my calorie allowance if I have 'high calorie' foods or fast food.
There is no perfect way - there is only your way. Nothing wrong with avoiding extra sugar or salt, that is your choice.
I prefer a lifestyle change and feel better going to the gym and eating fish and vegetables with a treat once a week as opposed to small treat everyday in lower portions. Its a mentality issue, not an issue of right or wrong - surrounded by low calorie foods I feel I am doing well
Which ever camp you choose it still a calorie deficit that is created to lose weight7 -
Symbolism was disagreeing with me or at least it appears so.
I have no question I was commenting overall our diets are similar I just have occasional fast food, pizza and treats too. I can moderate sugar, he seems to not be able too. He assumes "eating what I want" is a diet of fast food in smaller portions.
I'm trying to show you since you agree with him I eat pretty much like you.
It's all good:).3 -
kommodevaran wrote: »MiamiSeoul wrote: »No.
Outside of the obvious - accurately weighing, measuring & logging food & drinks (that includes packaged goods, numbers can be way off), nutrition plays a role. In particular water, protein, fiber & sodium intake.
Add-in any medications you may take.
If you're a woman there are massive water fluctuations.
If you're stressed, the body reacts as well.
There is no right way, you have to find what works for you through trial & error. Even then, you'll have to switch things up every now & then.
If only it could be easy . . . best wishes!
It's not always easy, but it's simple. Weight (fat) loss is CI<CO. Everything else is noise.
This. Calorie deficit is required for sustained weight loss. How one chooses to achieve that calorie deficit is largely up to the individual.5 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
You're dismissive of low carb and yet started a thread here saying you're doing keto. Which is low carb...
You can be mindful of what you eat without cutting out all that stuff you consider 'unclean'. It's called moderation. Which is a hell of a lot more feasible than never eating cake again in my world.
That's a common misunderstanding of Keto.
Keto isn't low carb; it's low net carb. ( Carb - Fibre = Net Carb) You still consume a pretty sizeable volume of your calories through carbs but in order to maintain a ketogenic state, you ensure the majority of those carbs come from high fibre sources ( Fruits, Nuts, Low Starch Vegetables, The right sorts of Sugar)
You're also working on a macro nutrient level that ensures your body is getting enough fuel in order to sustain itself, to ensure your appetite doesn't go off the chain and that you're not removing vital food groups from your diet.
And how many Carbs are you getting a day and still be in the 20 grams or less Net Carbs? I get less than 30 Carbs in order to stay under 20 net. If you are getting more than that then I'll have to look at your diary, granted I still have a lot to learn, but to me anything under 100 g carbs is a low carb diet.3 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »Diet is 80%, Exercise is 20% but both are equal in terms of importance
The benefits of exercise on your brain, appetite and metabolism are huge, so generally while a defecit in calories will definitely help you, ultimately the surefire approach at all times is diet + exercise
Ultimately, eat clean, don't consume too many processed foods/sugars and exercise for at least two hours a week and you'll drop weight.
I lost 50lbs and improved all my health markers by 100% diet/0% exercise and I ate lots of 'dirty' processed and sugary foods in the process
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SymbolismNZ wrote: »Nony_Mouse - You're of course 100% correct, but I find for myself personally and a lot of other people that solely looking at the intake of calories isn't a sustainable lifestyle choice; I also find that once you do eat properly clean (i.e goodbye added sugars, goodbye calorie rich pastas, potatos and breads, goodbye processed fruit juices and sodas) - it's a pretty hard thing to consume more than you'll burn if you're exercising regularly.
The key thing here is not what works for a couple months, it's what can you make work for your entire life - speaking as someone who has rollercoastered between 180lb and 310lb my entire adult life, I've had countless times crashing 50lbs off my frame after three months of restricting calories, only to flood it back on because it's not changing the way I viewed food long term.
Crash dieting doesn't generally work long term for most people.
My n=1 is that I've lost 120+ pounds in 22 months eating processed foods/sugar (in smaller quantities than I used to eat them because I've reduced my portions overall) and without exercise. This is basically how I ate/exercised before I started so it's a sustainable way of living for me. It's not a struggle so I'm much less tempted to fall off the wagon.
I've rollercoastered before by making large changes. That's not sustainable for me.
Going on 4 years of successful maintenance here, doing pretty much the exact same thing as you are 5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »SymbolismNZ wrote: »Keep in mind - scientifically proven that sugar (and particularly sucrose) makes you hungrier and crave more.
No, no it's not been scientifically been proven to be universally true in humans at all.
Rats? Maybe.
Hey @GottaBurnEmAll, I was about to Beetlejuice you in here! Please also tell us what happened with your weight when you were eating 'clean'
Well, I found that it didn't automatically regulate my appetite. I was 210 pounds and wondered why, if my diet was so clean, I was so overweight. Sugar never passed my lips.
Now this was as a vegetarian who was eating carbs.
Let me also tell you about my experience low carbing. I was told then that I only had to count my net carbs. So I did.
That didn't stop me from stress eating things like big bowls of whipped cream with some chopped nuts folded in or big family backs of chicken legs or 2 dozen eggs prepared into egg salad with gobs of mayonnaise or bags of pork rinds. I gained weight.
I'm not denying these other methods might work for some other people, but to insist out of hand that conscientious calorie control isn't sustainable is just false.8 -
SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
You're presuming that people will always want what you think of as "junk food".
Most of us learn fairly quickly that nourishing foods like lean proteins, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, fruit, eggs, dairy, healthy fats... you know, good nourishing food? That stuff is most satiating. The ratios of those which best satiate vary by individual.
Savvy dieters usually have some calories left over after all that good stuff and fit treats in. Like sprinkling mini chocolate chips on a bowl of Greek yogurt and raspberries. Or having a big salad and just 2 small slices of pizza every now and then. Or two cookies at the end of the day or a couple of squares of dark chocolate. My personal favorite treat is kettle corn. I make it with an air popper, spritz what comes out with olive oil, and sprinkle on super fine sugar.10 -
Uh, no. If one is consistently in a calorie deficit (barring any health issues) weight loss will occur. Macros matter more for health, fitness and muscle building.No guarantee because macros matters
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newphilly123 wrote: »Wanna make sure I ain't wasting my time
Yes, if you consistantly have a calorie deficit then you will lose weight over time. If you don't lose weight then you don't have a calorie deficit.
Every time you step on the scale it will not show a smaller number. Never judge your weight loss progress by just one weigh in.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10084670/it-is-unlikely-that-you-will-lose-weight-consistently-i-e-weight-loss-is-not-linear/p14 -
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To lose 1 pound a week, you need a deficit of 3500 calories, or 500 calories a day. That's just plain ole science.3
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Subjective. The majority of my clients overall have never dieted or abstained from eating what they like and have sustained goal weights over the long term. Heck, go to Asian countries and see what they eat. They eat what they want. They just don't eat A LOT.SymbolismNZ wrote: »The point I'm making is that in my personal opinion, if your sole focus is "I can eat anything I want so long as I don't go over my calorie limit", you won't have sustainable long term success.
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