Crystal light or diet soda?
tcklove
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Which one is better or healthier? I have a hard time getting in water but I use both crystal light and diet soda to curb cravings and increase my hydration
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Whatever you like best is whats best for you10
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Sounds good. They both hydrate, both have very few caloriez. If you're not experiencing heartburn, acid reflux, side effects from artificial sweeteners, then go with what works for you.7
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Neither are better/healthier for you than the other. Drink what you like.9
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persevere with water, you'll eventually learn to love it.0
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Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.9
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Neither- yuck!
Try just plain water- maybe you need to try filtered or bottled water, maybe your tap water just doesn't taste good... Or if that's still no good then maybe try:
Sparkling water
Sparkling water with a squeeze of lemon or lime juice
Regular water with a squeeze of lemon juice
Fruit or cucumber infused water
Coconut water1 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Nope17 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
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chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
No scientific research shows that sweeteners cause weight storage or gain. Where are your citations?19 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
False.12 -
I have lost plenty and drank diet soda, I do not drink it anymore just because I drink wayyy too much. As long as your not drinking a 12 pack a day. Calorie surplus makes you gain weight, and a deficit causes you to loose. Granted the sweetness of the diet drink can cause cravings in certain people. Use at your own discretion and ignore the bro science, do what works for you.3
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I knew this one was going to cause some flamage...
Some information to another forum member that I wrote on account they took me to task about this previously because just "knew" that artificial sweeteners were not a problem.
This is an interesting paper as it mentions specific sweeteners as increasing insulin levels in trails (surprisingly names aspertame as not doing this - and gives a reason why not):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9884024
This contrasts with this advice from the Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/artificial-sweeteners/faq-20058038
But the above is interesting in that it names sugar alcohols (you may recognize some of the names) as being suspect. This is from the paper:
"Also, be cautious with sugar alcohols — including mannitol, sorbitol and xylitol. Sugar alcohols can increase your blood sugar level. And for some people, sugar alcohols may cause diarrhea."
WebMD has this one:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar#1
Which I find even more fascinating as it brings into play something that we are only just starting to understand, is that your gut flora and fauna have great influence on your body (and by extension, mind) and the way it works.
Feel free to go through the above and then no doubt come back with 1000s of similar articles that say they aren't a problem...
Until I know otherwise and it's proven scientifically - I know which way I will go.
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chrismellor01 wrote: »I knew this one was going to cause some flamage...
Some information from another forum member that took me to task about this previously because just "knew" that artificial sweeteners were not a problem.
This is an interesting paper as it mentions specific sweeteners as increasing insulin levels in trails (surprisingly names aspertame as not doing this - and gives a reason why not):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9884024
This contrasts with this advice from the Mayo Clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/expert-answers/artificial-sweeteners/faq-20058038
But the above is interesting in that it names sugar alcohols (you may recognize some of the names) as being suspect. This is from the paper:
"Also, be cautious with sugar alcohols — including mannitol, sorbitol and xylitol. Sugar alcohols can increase your blood sugar level. And for some people, sugar alcohols may cause diarrhea."
WebMD has this one:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar#1
Which I find even more fascinating as it brings into play something that we are only just starting to understand, is that your gut flora and fauna have great influence on your body (and by extension, mind) and the way it works.
Feel free to go through the above and then no doubt come back with 1000s of similar articles that say they aren't a problem...
Until I know otherwise and it's proven scientifically - I know which way I will go.
Where does it say they cause weight gain though?6 -
Did you read those posts in the 4 minutes it took to post this reply?
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chrismellor01 wrote: »Did you read those posts in the 4 minutes it took to post this reply?
Well first one isn't about aspartame so didn't read it since it's aspartame in diet soda, and the last 2 are quick reads1 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Funny, I lost 60 pounds while drinking diet soda11 -
And as regards insulin causing weight gain - there is a mechanism and described in the many sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17924864
Provides a mechanism for this.
This next one if from Mayo clinic and further describes the process:
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/567888
I have deliberately avoided many of the .org posts and pseudo-science posts.
As I say - until it's proven it's not an issue - personally I will avoid them where is possible.1 -
singingflutelady wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Did you read those posts in the 4 minutes it took to post this reply?
Well first one isn't about aspartame so didn't read it since it's aspartame in diet soda, and the last 2 are quick reads
Aspartame is a common sweetener and whilst may not be in the diet soda you drink - it could well be in others and also used in any number of "diet" products. But I guess as it's not in your diet soda that doesn't make it relevant?
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Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Funny, I lost 60 pounds while drinking diet soda
I lived on diet coke when I was anorexic. I guess I'm odd since I lost a lot of weight and became dangerously underweight.4 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Did you read those posts in the 4 minutes it took to post this reply?
Well first one isn't about aspartame so didn't read it since it's aspartame in diet soda, and the last 2 are quick reads
Aspartame is a common sweetener and whilst may not be in the diet soda you drink - it could well be in others and also used in any number of "diet" products. But I guess as it's not in your diet soda that doesn't make it relevant?
No I said I didn't read it because you mentioned that it says it doesn't increase insulin levels.1 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »And as regards insulin causing weight gain - there is a mechanism and described in the many sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17924864
Provides a mechanism for this.
This next one if from Mayo clinic and further describes the process:
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/567888
I have deliberately avoided many of the .org posts and pseudo-science posts.
As I say - until it's proven it's not an issue - personally I will avoid them where is possible.
Can't read the second one as I don't have a login but the first one is talking about diabetics.1 -
debate-a-thon0
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Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Funny, I lost 60 pounds while drinking diet soda
60 pounds is good going, well done. Really.
Looking through the papers etc there is confusion as I'm starting to see.
There is a mechanism that sweeteners influence insulin levels. There is a mechanism whereby insulin can influence weight gain. The human body is amazing thing and very complicated. What works for some, may cause others issues. Also, quantities are important.
As one poster above says, 12 tins a day might not be a good idea.
This is a contentious issue. There are two camps. There have been other threads on here that have led to flame wars.
I know what I read and what I think. Others know what they think from what they read.
Personally - I avoid the stuff.2 -
Neither are better/healthier for you than the other. Drink what you like.
^This.
Also add me to the column of people who lost weight drinking diet soda. You can put me in the column of people who gained weight drinking diet soda and in the column of people that maintained my weight drinking diet soda. The reason? With negligible calories it was not responsible for my weight, the total number of calories I consumed was.13 -
singingflutelady wrote: »I lived on diet coke when I was anorexic. I guess I'm odd since I lost a lot of weight and became dangerously underweight.
I do not know the mechanism of your anorexia and I'm very sorry that you had to suffer that horrible disease. I have seen close up what it can do. How are you now?
There are no calories in diet drinks (or very little) and so they will no on their own make you gain weight. But the sweeteners in them (according to evidence) affect insulin levels. It's the insulin level that has an affect in weight gain.
Yes - many of those papers are about diabetics (both Type 1 & 2). That is where most of the research has been done.
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chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.8 -
How about flavored seltzer water? Just an alternate suggestion.0
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I'm just going to leave this here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p113
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Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Tricks it into doing what? I never got the whole "artificial sweetener makes your body release insulin" thing. I mean the major sweeteners that people talk about are 0 on the GI scale, and there would probably be a lot of dead diabetics if it did what people claim it does.
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trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.2
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