Crystal light or diet soda?
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RunningMom1038 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
Yet I'm over here steadily losing weight while drinking diet sodas and Splenda in my coffee. I'm probably just special.
We special people who've lost weight using artificial sweeteners should form a club.14 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RunningMom1038 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
Yet I'm over here steadily losing weight while drinking diet sodas and Splenda in my coffee. I'm probably just special.
We special people who've lost weight using artificial sweeteners should form a club.
I'm in.5 -
cheermomblessed wrote: »I'm sure someone already said this but I'm not reading all the responses. Both are crap lol. Try flavoring your water with lemons or oranges. Something natural. I struggled with this myself for years. Diet soda was the reason I packed on so much weight bc it actually makes you crave more sweet things .. if you have to flavor your water with something by some organic juice made with real sugar and try to just add a little for flavor. I personally hated water but you'll get use to it. Best of luck love but stay away from those artificial sweeteners.. they are crap
That may be true for you, but it certainly isn't the case for me or many of the others chiming in sharing their weight loss successes while drinking diet soda. I find diet soda actually helps me because it's a zero calorie option when I want something sweet. I lost 50lbs while drinking it and now maintain a bmi of around 21 (or slightly less), while still drinking it.
And juice and sugar additions to water are going to have a lot more calories than diet soda. I no longer drink my calories, except for weekend beers 4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RunningMom1038 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
Yet I'm over here steadily losing weight while drinking diet sodas and Splenda in my coffee. I'm probably just special.
We special people who've lost weight using artificial sweeteners should form a club.
Yes! Let's do it!
I'm sure that some people gain weight while drinking diet soda. I've seen many people assume that a zero-calorie beverage means they get to eat a lot more food. Perhaps that has something to do with it.....
OP, I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. It's a taste preference, really. I love carbonated beverages, so I like to drink diet sodas. I drink plenty of plain water, as well. If you don't like the taste of the water you have available, have you tried different brands or filters? I know it sounds weird that water can taste different, but it definitely does.1 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »cheermomblessed wrote: »I'm sure someone already said this but I'm not reading all the responses. Both are crap lol. Try flavoring your water with lemons or oranges. Something natural. I struggled with this myself for years. Diet soda was the reason I packed on so much weight bc it actually makes you crave more sweet things .. if you have to flavor your water with something by some organic juice made with real sugar and try to just add a little for flavor. I personally hated water but you'll get use to it. Best of luck love but stay away from those artificial sweeteners.. they are crap
That may be true for you, but it certainly isn't the case for me or many of the others chiming in sharing their weight loss successes while drinking diet soda. I find diet soda actually helps me because it's a zero calorie option when I want something sweet. I lost 50lbs while drinking it and now maintain a bmi of around 21 (or slightly less), while still drinking it.
And juice and sugar additions to water are going to have a lot more calories than diet soda. I no longer drink my calories, except for weekend beers
To further, I don't understand how diet sweeteners triggered a craving for sweets but juice didn't.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »cheermomblessed wrote: »I'm sure someone already said this but I'm not reading all the responses. Both are crap lol. Try flavoring your water with lemons or oranges. Something natural. I struggled with this myself for years. Diet soda was the reason I packed on so much weight bc it actually makes you crave more sweet things .. if you have to flavor your water with something by some organic juice made with real sugar and try to just add a little for flavor. I personally hated water but you'll get use to it. Best of luck love but stay away from those artificial sweeteners.. they are crap
That may be true for you, but it certainly isn't the case for me or many of the others chiming in sharing their weight loss successes while drinking diet soda. I find diet soda actually helps me because it's a zero calorie option when I want something sweet. I lost 50lbs while drinking it and now maintain a bmi of around 21 (or slightly less), while still drinking it.
And juice and sugar additions to water are going to have a lot more calories than diet soda. I no longer drink my calories, except for weekend beers
To further, I don't understand how diet sweeteners triggered a craving for sweets but juice didn't.
Ha, didn't even catch that lol. Good point 0 -
I feel like all the debate on the artificial sweeteners in this thread should be deleted. It does not cause weight gain, it has been debunked here a million times and no matter how many links someone has, there is no scientific evidence and there never will be that calories appear out of nowhere. If you are aware that artificial sweeteners can increase your craving for sweets, you can use your willpower to ignore that craving. I drink both diet and crystal light, always have and until I had a baby I had no weight issues.
I do find that sometimes the carbonated drinks can cause minor bloat after I have one, but it doesn't last long or impact my weight so that's fine. I get a bit jittery if I have too much caffeine so I tend to gravitate toward the crystal light. I drink up to a pitcher of it a day and I have never had any issues. I don't crave sweets. If it works for you, you should continue to do it.2 -
I feel like all the debate on the artificial sweeteners in this thread should be deleted. It does not cause weight gain, it has been debunked here a million times and no matter how many links someone has, there is no scientific evidence and there never will be that calories appear out of nowhere. .
Not going to happen. I have been here 3 years and this debate happens at least once or twice a week.2 -
60 lbs down i drink both crystal light & diet soda i drink water through out my work day but for dinner i have 1-2cup of diet soda. If im having trouble getting my water down i will use crystal light. Choose whichever YOU like. This is YOUR lifestyle change.1
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OP, try sparkling water. I personally love LaCroix. It's fizzy, has a slight fruity after taste, but is not sweetened with anything. Try a box. You'll only be out $3.99 if you don't like it0
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chrismellor01 wrote: »There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
I'd love to see the evidence. Especially about the fauna in your gut. Fauna is animal life. If you have fauna in your gut, you have much more serious issues to contend with than drinking diet soda.
To the OP - neither is healthier or unhealthier. Read the post about aspartame that several people have linked, it was written by a molecular biologist and cuts through all the fiction and scaremongering garbage about artificial sweeteners.
As to diet soda raising insulin levels, you'd think that would be something the American Diabetes Association might want to know about, since they recommend diet soda as a drink for diabetics. Unless one thinks that they're deliberately engaging in a conspiracy to harm/kill diabetics.10 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
I'd love to see the evidence. Especially about the fauna in your gut. Fauna is animal life. If you have fauna in your gut, you have much more serious issues to contend with than drinking diet soda.
To the OP - neither is healthier or unhealthier. Read the post about aspartame that several people have linked, it was written by a molecular biologist and cuts through all the fiction and scaremongering garbage about artificial sweeteners.
As to diet soda raising insulin levels, you'd think that would be something the American Diabetes Association might want to know about, since they recommend diet soda as a drink for diabetics. Unless one thinks that they're deliberately engaging in a conspiracy to harm/kill diabetics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fauna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora0 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
I'd love to see the evidence. Especially about the fauna in your gut. Fauna is animal life. If you have fauna in your gut, you have much more serious issues to contend with than drinking diet soda.
To the OP - neither is healthier or unhealthier. Read the post about aspartame that several people have linked, it was written by a molecular biologist and cuts through all the fiction and scaremongering garbage about artificial sweeteners.
As to diet soda raising insulin levels, you'd think that would be something the American Diabetes Association might want to know about, since they recommend diet soda as a drink for diabetics. Unless one thinks that they're deliberately engaging in a conspiracy to harm/kill diabetics.
Lol if people have fauna in there guts they should really start killing and properly cooking the animal first. All that activity will increase metabolism.1 -
Sweeteners just make you more likely to eat more. But if watch your calories and pay attention, this is not an issue for most people on MFP. I only try to cut down on diet soda for my teeth's sake.0
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I'd pick diet soda cause crystal light has 5-10 calories per serving. Diet soda has 0. Plus, I like the carbonation.
I am cutting back on soda just because I'm cutting back on my caffeine. I'm not a fan of the caffeine free sodas for some reason. I heart Diet Coke.
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No. Not true at all. an you please post peer reviewed studies, please?Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
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chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
How about you actually post these "peer reviewed" studies, then? Why is it, that the Diabetes association actually recommends 0 calorie sweeteners?
fruit is sugar and more likely to affect insulin levels....3 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????
Yeast is considered flora not fauna0 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????
Yeast is considered flora not fauna
Yeast is a fungus so is neither. I was making a funny.4 -
im grateful for this thread iv been drinking pop all day trying to rehydrate hadnt realized it wasnt diet pop until i finished half my 2L LOL *kitten* me.1
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Re the gut flora.. Here are a couple of links, take them or leave them, I have no horse in this race
http://www.drperlmutter.com/how-sugar-free-spells-danger/?utm_source=DrPerlmutter.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=95b4cd8f89-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_05&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e059546f6-95b4cd8f89-99343905&mc_cid=95b4cd8f89&mc_eid=d953625a6e
https://chriskresser.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-wreak-havoc-on-your-gut/?utm_source=ChrisKresser.com&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e7d56abf8a-ee9c9ca3ac-95902905&utm_content&utm_campaign=ee9c9ca3ac-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_09&mc_cid=ee9c9ca3ac&mc_eid=56daae840f0 -
Lost over eighty pounds and I never gave up my diet soda. Not before or since. I am a Type 2 in remission.
Every diabetic working on control is very sensitive to what foods raise their sugar levels and which don't. Diet soda is a zero. Rice on the other hand....2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
It was my favorite part of the thread.
OP, drink whichever you prefer.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????
I'm getting images of the critters from Where the Wild Things Are larking about in my innards.5 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Dead wrong2 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
So basically it does not matter if you are in a calorie deficit which is what everyone is saying...1 -
If I drink water and want flavor I will add crystal light in my water bottle. Their little packets. They don't have sugar in them and their only 5 calories each. So not bad at all. Nothing is wrong with diet soda or crystal light. Just drink what u like2
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