Sugar levels exceeding due to fruit!? Healthy calorie intake!?
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So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
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I wouldn't worry about the sugar to be honest. I'm not sure what you mean by "500-1000cal off daily" - do you mean you are overeating, undereating or something else?1
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Unless you have a medical reason to watch your sugar intake, that's fine. As for that 500-1000 calories, I'm assuming that is what your exercise calories are? You should be eating those back, although I'd only go with half of them due to the high range.2
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So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.3 -
So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Because sugar is sugar. There is no way to differentiate between natural and added sugars.5 -
So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.2 -
The only real issue is if you're crowding other things that may be more necessary such as 2x the RDA of protein for someone who is eating at a deficit for weight loss (i.e. 0.8g+ "ish" per lb of bodyweight) and at least 0.35g to 0.45g of healthy fats for a woman. Not to forget my favourite 28g (38g for men) of fiber.
So when you put all these in you might have to cut down a bit on fruits.
Also you do not mention vegetables and frankly they have as many or more nutrients than fruits (and probably less sugar if sugar overload is your particular concern).
Having said all that 1200 calories net is already pretty darn low. for the vast majority of people aiming so low implies that they are aiming for a faster weight loss than they should probably be aiming for...
my take is that you shouldn't net below that.2 -
I understand "Sugar is sugar" to the myfitnesspal app, or to someone who has to watch sugar because of medical conditions, but for the most part sugar from fruit is no problem at all especially if you're eating the fruit whole. Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the negative processes we associate with sugar; insulin spikes, sugar crashes. Natural sugar only behaves like added sugar if you are say, eating massive amounts at one time or removing the fiber (like eating apples without the skin, or juicing oranges then straining the pulp and fiber out.CattOfTheGarage wrote: »So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.
Am I wrong at all? Because I basically I ignore sugar from fruit sources if I eat the fruit whole, and keep it spaced out over the day; and in my eyes even that's being overly cautious. I know there are a lot of people out there who advocate "High Carb Vegan" lifestyles where they eat hundreds of grams of sugar a day and have no problems at all. They'll do things like eat 10 bananas in a single meal and have the blood tests to back up that they experience no side effects at all; short term or long term
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butcher206 wrote: »
I understand "Sugar is sugar" to the myfitnesspal app, or to someone who has to watch sugar because of medical conditions, but for the most part sugar from fruit is no problem at all especially if you're eating the fruit whole. Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the process. Natural sugar only behaves like added sugar if you are say, eating massive amounts at one time or removing the fiber (like eating apples without the skin, or juicing oranges then straining the pulp and fiber out.CattOfTheGarage wrote: »So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.
Am I wrong at all? Because I basically I ignore sugar from fruit sources if I eat the fruit whole, and keep it spaced out over the day. I know there are a lot of people out there who advocate "High Carb Vegan" lifestyles where they eat hundreds of grams of sugar a day and have no problems at all
Again, it depends what you mean.
In terms of calories, sugar is sugar is sugar. Many is the person who has failed to lose weight or even gained it because they thought fruit was "free" and didn't count it. Your body is good at getting energy from things and if it wasn't capable of getting energy from fruit sugars it would be pretty useless in survival terms.
In terms of carbs being counted for medical reasons or to maintain a particular state like ketosis, sugar is sugar is sugar. Yes the body has a little more work to convert it to glucose, but once the work is done, it's glucose, same as sugar from any other source.
In terms of glycaemic index and blood sugar effects over time, there is a difference in how quickly the body processes sugar from different sources. In some cases this is significant, in other cases it is slight. I believe fruit performs better for slow release than pure sucrose. But if you remove the fruit sugar from the context of the fruit, or change the context eg by drying the fruit, it will behave pretty much like any other sugar in this sense. Your handful of raisins? Sugar (and a bit of fibre). Same for fruit leathers.
In terms of fulness, cravings, effect on appetite, that's an unanswerable question as it's completely individual. Some people find fruit satisfying, others find it makes them hungrier or increases cravings. Personally I find it temporarily satisfying but leaves me feeling hollow and hunger will come back worse after a little while.
Your idea seems to be that there is such a thing as "bad" food and added sugar makes things "bad" whereas "natural" sugars are "good". It's just so much more complicated than that. Sugar really isn't bad at all - except that it rots your teeth and can make you hungry.
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »butcher206 wrote: »
I understand "Sugar is sugar" to the myfitnesspal app, or to someone who has to watch sugar because of medical conditions, but for the most part sugar from fruit is no problem at all especially if you're eating the fruit whole. Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the process. Natural sugar only behaves like added sugar if you are say, eating massive amounts at one time or removing the fiber (like eating apples without the skin, or juicing oranges then straining the pulp and fiber out.CattOfTheGarage wrote: »So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.
Am I wrong at all? Because I basically I ignore sugar from fruit sources if I eat the fruit whole, and keep it spaced out over the day. I know there are a lot of people out there who advocate "High Carb Vegan" lifestyles where they eat hundreds of grams of sugar a day and have no problems at all
Again, it depends what you mean.
In terms of calories, sugar is sugar is sugar. Many is the person who has failed to lose weight or even gained it because they thought fruit was "free" and didn't count it. Your body is good at getting energy from things and if it wasn't capable of getting energy from fruit sugars it would be pretty useless in survival terms.
In terms of carbs being counted for medical reasons or to maintain a particular state like ketosis, sugar is sugar is sugar. Yes the body has a little more work to convert it to glucose, but once the work is done, it's glucose, same as sugar from any other source.
In terms of glycaemic index and blood sugar effects over time, there is a difference in how quickly the body processes sugar from different sources. In some cases this is significant, in other cases it is slight. I believe fruit performs better for slow release than pure sucrose. But if you remove the fruit sugar from the context of the fruit, or change the context eg by drying the fruit, it will behave pretty much like any other sugar in this sense. Your handful of raisins? Sugar (and a bit of fibre). Same for fruit leathers.
In terms of fulness, cravings, effect on appetite, that's an unanswerable question as it's completely individual. Some people find fruit satisfying, others find it makes them hungrier or increases cravings. Personally I find it temporarily satisfying but leaves me feeling hollow and hunger will come back worse after a little while.
Your idea seems to be that there is such a thing as "bad" food and added sugar makes things "bad" whereas "natural" sugars are "good". It's just so much more complicated than that. Sugar really isn't bad at all - except that it rots your teeth and can make you hungry.
It's not more complicated than that at all. I was directly quoting sugar being used in the context of "natural sugar" vs "added sugar", and addressing that only and quite explicitly and specifically; then addressed specifically how it's processed when consumed as a whole fruit vs added sugar (talking about glycemic index without making it more complicated than it needed to be, or introducing the concept of dried fruits which were never brought up to begin with).1 -
butcher206 wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »butcher206 wrote: »
I understand "Sugar is sugar" to the myfitnesspal app, or to someone who has to watch sugar because of medical conditions, but for the most part sugar from fruit is no problem at all especially if you're eating the fruit whole. Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the process. Natural sugar only behaves like added sugar if you are say, eating massive amounts at one time or removing the fiber (like eating apples without the skin, or juicing oranges then straining the pulp and fiber out.CattOfTheGarage wrote: »So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.
Am I wrong at all? Because I basically I ignore sugar from fruit sources if I eat the fruit whole, and keep it spaced out over the day. I know there are a lot of people out there who advocate "High Carb Vegan" lifestyles where they eat hundreds of grams of sugar a day and have no problems at all
Again, it depends what you mean.
In terms of calories, sugar is sugar is sugar. Many is the person who has failed to lose weight or even gained it because they thought fruit was "free" and didn't count it. Your body is good at getting energy from things and if it wasn't capable of getting energy from fruit sugars it would be pretty useless in survival terms.
In terms of carbs being counted for medical reasons or to maintain a particular state like ketosis, sugar is sugar is sugar. Yes the body has a little more work to convert it to glucose, but once the work is done, it's glucose, same as sugar from any other source.
In terms of glycaemic index and blood sugar effects over time, there is a difference in how quickly the body processes sugar from different sources. In some cases this is significant, in other cases it is slight. I believe fruit performs better for slow release than pure sucrose. But if you remove the fruit sugar from the context of the fruit, or change the context eg by drying the fruit, it will behave pretty much like any other sugar in this sense. Your handful of raisins? Sugar (and a bit of fibre). Same for fruit leathers.
In terms of fulness, cravings, effect on appetite, that's an unanswerable question as it's completely individual. Some people find fruit satisfying, others find it makes them hungrier or increases cravings. Personally I find it temporarily satisfying but leaves me feeling hollow and hunger will come back worse after a little while.
Your idea seems to be that there is such a thing as "bad" food and added sugar makes things "bad" whereas "natural" sugars are "good". It's just so much more complicated than that. Sugar really isn't bad at all - except that it rots your teeth and can make you hungry.
It's not more complicated than that at all. I was directly quoting sugar being used in the context of "natural sugar" vs "added sugar", and addressing that only and quite explicitly and specifically; then addressed specifically how it's processed when consumed as a whole fruit vs added sugar (talking about glycemic index without making it more complicated than it needed to be, or introducing the concept of dried fruits which were never brought up to begin with).
I still feel it is a little bit more complicated than "sugar from fruit is no problem at all". In most respects it is as much or as little of a problem as sugar from any other source.
When you make a blanket statement about "natural sugars", that very vague term covers fresh fruit but it also covers juices, it covers dried fruit, it covers maple syrup, honey, molasses - you just can't say that "natural sugars are fine" unless you're going to define "natural sugars" and define "fine".
Yes, there is a meaningful difference between a grape and a teaspoon of sugar (though only in terms of glycaemic index, not in other respects) - but there is no meaningful difference between a teaspoon of sucrose and a teaspoon of honey from a nutritional point of view.
I'm not nitpicking. People get legitimately confused about this stuff and struggle with weight loss or over-restriction as a result. Sugar is sugar. Fruit may keep you going a bit longer than other sugary foods, and has fibre and vitamins, but that's all the difference there is. It's still sugar.3 -
butcher206 wrote: »
I understand "Sugar is sugar" to the myfitnesspal app, or to someone who has to watch sugar because of medical conditions, but for the most part sugar from fruit is no problem at all especially if you're eating the fruit whole. Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the negative processes we associate with sugar; insulin spikes, sugar crashes. Natural sugar only behaves like added sugar if you are say, eating massive amounts at one time or removing the fiber (like eating apples without the skin, or juicing oranges then straining the pulp and fiber out.CattOfTheGarage wrote: »So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be gratefulSo, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
Natural sugars are fine. I'm not to sure why mfp counts it. Its sugar that is added into anything you need to keep an eye on. I been keeping my eye on my sugar intake and it is shocking how much sugar is added into things.
Not necessarily. It depends on why you are watching sugar. If you are diabetic, for example, then you have to monitor sugar from any source. I understand you may choose to not worry about natural sugars in fruit and veg, but from a nutritional point of view, sugar is sugar - there is no way mfp could make the distinction, and if it missed out sugars from some sources it would just make the numbers wrong.
Personally I don't really watch macros, but if the OP wants to monitor them but still wants to eat lots of fruit, the best approach would just be to adjust the goals to allow for a little more sugar.
Am I wrong at all? Because I basically I ignore sugar from fruit sources if I eat the fruit whole, and keep it spaced out over the day; and in my eyes even that's being overly cautious. I know there are a lot of people out there who advocate "High Carb Vegan" lifestyles where they eat hundreds of grams of sugar a day and have no problems at all. They'll do things like eat 10 bananas in a single meal and have the blood tests to back up that they experience no side effects at all; short term or long term
I've been taking a break from MFP, but this is irresistible: ;-)
Yes, you are wrong, but the ultimate choice to ignore sugar from fruit sources still makes sense and is what I do too.
Added sugars and natural sugars are not really different on their own (there are different types of sugars, and fruit contains a variety of types, but to your body this is not really significant). The difference is, usually, what they come with. The problem that people are getting at when they talk about "added sugar" is typically a nutritional or calorie one: someone who eats lots of added sugar is probably not getting any added nutrition for that sugar and may well be eating lots of high cal/low nutrient foods (like cookies). Worth noting, though, that lots of the calories from these foods (about half) are really from fat, not sugar. Foods with intrinsic sugars and no added sugars are usually pretty nutrient dense: vegetables, fruit, dairy, sweet potatoes, stuff like that.
It's important to understand this since, of course, intrinsic sugar CAN be in foods that aren't nutrient dense (i.e., honey and syrup aren't particularly, and I'd treat them like added sugar), and added sugar can be in foods that are quite nutrient dense (I add a bit to a rhubarb sauce sometimes, many people add it to something like steel cut oats, I have a good Italian cookbook that recommends a bit in a homemade marinara sauce). It's more important to consider the overall nutrient-density of your diet and understand where the sugar is coming from than make up stuff about added sugar having some kind of effect in any quantity or being bad because "processed" or the like, which sadly get spread about as bad information all the time, whether because sources used have bad information or correct information is misunderstood.
As for the thing with fiber slowing down the spikes, as you note that only really matters if you have a health issue or are susceptible to it anyway, but even part from that what matters is the presence of FIBER, not whether the sugar is added or not.
Some fruit sources of sugar don't have much fiber compared to the amount of sugar (grapes, I think, which are high sugar, or even bananas, which is why they are great pre-run) or tropical fruits like pineapple (which I adore). Some sources of added sugar (like the rhubarb sauce I mentioned above or the oatmeal) DO have lots of fiber, and it's also possible to eat something combined with something else with more protein or fiber that slows down absorption. So focusing on natural vs. added misses the real point.
That aside, IMO the reason to watch sugar is just because it's an easy way to see if you are adding more low nutrient calories in your diet than you intended to -- there are better ways to do it, probably, but especially if you eat lots of packaged stuff with unexpected sugar (I never really did this, so never personally found that sugar was in "everything" as some claim -- it was in what I assumed it would be in, like ice cream and certain whole foods), it's not a bad thing to look at. Unless you eat crazy amounts of fruit and crowd out other things you should be eating, I wouldn't worry about that. So I agree that added sugar is more relevant than sugar in general, but not because added sugar is different or uniquely bad for you. It's just more likely to be found, in larger amounts, from lower nutrient foods or things that are easy to cut some (but if it's worth it to you, no need -- I like plain yogurt with berries, but if you like flavored yogurt and have room for the added calories, no harm from a little added sugar, for example, that comes with protein and often fiber from things like oats anyway).8 -
Personally I get round it by not monitoring my sugar at all. I judge whether I'm making good choices based on whether I can get through the day within my calories without getting too hungry. If I eat too much sugary nonsense (natural or unnatural) I will end up hungry.
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »Personally I get round it by not monitoring my sugar at all. I judge whether I'm making good choices based on whether I can get through the day within my calories without getting too hungry. If I eat too much sugary nonsense (natural or unnatural) I will end up hungry.
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This. Sugar is a carb. I'm already tracking carbs. Why would I track it twice (without a medical reason)? I switched my sugar tracker for fiber.5 -
I keep sugar up on my tracking only because I'm back down from diabetic to pre-diabetic. I usually pay less attention to it than my other macros, but I try to make sure I don't blow it completely out of the water. If it weren't for medical reasons, I wouldn't pay a bit of attention to it at all.2
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As others have mentioned sugar is sugar. Fruit may be a preferable source due to the accompanying presence of other nutrients and fiber, but the sugar in it is still sugar. That being said, I watch how much fruit (& other sugary stuff) I eat only because with very limited calories (I'm 4'10") too much sugar (or starch) can impact how much protein I'll be able to fit in without going over calorie allotment. I don't track sugar separately at all.1
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..imo-keeping an eye on the meal total macros (sugar - protein - fiber) would probably be a better gauge than "added" vs "natural" sugars if you are wary of glycemic effects.2
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I keep sugar up on my tracking only because I'm back down from diabetic to pre-diabetic. I usually pay less attention to it than my other macros, but I try to make sure I don't blow it completely out of the water. If it weren't for medical reasons, I wouldn't pay a bit of attention to it at all.
As a fellow T2Dm, separating sugars from other carbs means nothing. Total carbs is the number that is important. You can have your sugars really low but still have high blood sugar from too many starches.1 -
All these hundreds of words and people typing up essays and completely ignoring the OP's question lol
Alright then; keep on trying to educate people on sugar with your admitted lack of medical knowledge or understanding of the topic and derailing the topic completely.So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
OP: Keep doing what you're doing there's nothing wrong with it; source; my doctor.2 -
Oh, was my prior post too long? To properly answer a question sometimes you need to write enough to explain the nuances. Yes/no is not an adequate answer.
Here's the TLDR version.butcher206 wrote: »Natural sugar is processed different than other sugars because the fiber with the fruit slows down the negative processes we associate with sugar; insulin spikes, sugar crashes.
No, this is not correct. Crashes are not something everyone has to worry about, period. Also, while fiber does slow down the absorption/use of sugar, it is not the only thing that does so (so does protein and fat) and sometimes (like with a banana before a run) fast absorption is a GOOD thing.
More significantly, and this is what I saw as the main misunderstanding apparent above, not all "natural" (I believe you mean intrinsic) sugar comes with fiber or significant amounts of it (for example, I think plain yogurt is a pretty healthy thing to eat, but it contains sugar, none added, and is basically fiber free), and not all added sugar comes without it. (For example, if you add a bit of sugar to oatmeal or make a rhubarb sauce, which might have more fiber and less sugar than an equivalent amount of sauce made from only apples).
In case it was confusing, this is the question I was answering:butcher206 wrote: »Am I wrong at all?
I also answered OP's question, saying that I think there's nothing wrong with eating as much sugar from fruit (really, as much fruit) as you want so long as you don't eat so much that it either (1) crowds out other things you should have in your diet: adequate vegetables, adequate protein, adequate healthy fats; or (2) leads to excess calories.
I think that's a sensible approach to added sugar too, however.6 -
Ok to answer the question, I am perfectly healthy and no medical conditions, slightly overweight. So that is why I worry about wether fruit sugar will have any impact on the body weight. The 500-1000 cal off basically is from exercise.1
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butcher206 wrote: »All these hundreds of words and people typing up essays and completely ignoring the OP's question lol
Alright then; keep on trying to educate people on sugar with your admitted lack of medical knowledge or understanding of the topic and derailing the topic completely.So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
OP: Keep doing what you're doing there's nothing wrong with it; source; my doctor.
Ok then, thank you^_^
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So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
I swapped out Sugar and Sodium for Fiber and Iron as these are more useful nutrients for me to track. Fiber for satiety and iron because I am anemic.
What do you mean by "my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000 cal off daily"2 -
Ok to answer the question, I am perfectly healthy and no medical conditions, slightly overweight. So that is why I worry about wether fruit sugar will have any impact on the body weight. The 500-1000 cal off basically is from exercise.
So on a day with a 1000 calorie burn you net 200 cals?
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Ok to answer the question, I am perfectly healthy and no medical conditions, slightly overweight. So that is why I worry about wether fruit sugar will have any impact on the body weight. The 500-1000 cal off basically is from exercise.
So you eat 1200 and exercise for 500-1000 calories per day? What's the exercise? That seems high. However, at 1200 it's important to eat back at least some exercise calories.
Eating sugar beyond MFP's limit while staying at a calorie deficit cannot cause weight gain. If you are eating adequate vegetables, protein, and healthy fats, it also won't be problematic nutritionally. Some find fruit filling (I do, personally), some do not, and that's going to affect whether it's a good diet for you or not -- if you are feeling good and getting enough other foods for a balanced diet, no problem with it.2 -
Ok to answer the question, I am perfectly healthy and no medical conditions, slightly overweight. So that is why I worry about wether fruit sugar will have any impact on the body weight. The 500-1000 cal off basically is from exercise.
No sugar of any kind will affect your weight if you stay in a calorie deficit to lose and calorie maintenance to stay at a goal weight.3 -
butcher206 wrote: »All these hundreds of words and people typing up essays and completely ignoring the OP's question lol
Alright then; keep on trying to educate people on sugar with your admitted lack of medical knowledge or understanding of the topic and derailing the topic completely.So, I have noticed since the beginning of using this app, my sugar levels go outside of my daily limits due to fruit. Out of 100g of sugar, 80g from fruit and 20g from normal meals. Does this mean I should lower my sugar level!?
Another problem is that my calorie intake is at an average of 1200cal daily and I get 500-1000cal off daily. Would this be ok or should I start to be worried about how much calorie I have?
If someone would please answer this, I would be grateful
OP: Keep doing what you're doing there's nothing wrong with it; source; my doctor.
Several people (including myself) already answered the question, saying not to worry about the sugar, and asked her to clarify what she meant by "500 - 1000cal off". We were just arguing about sugar while we waited for her to come back.
OP, I'm still not quite clear on what you're doing with your exercise, can your explain it again? And in case it wasn't clear enough: don't worry about the sugar.2 -
so, my exercise is mainly morning and night exercises, martial arts and jogging. which i run quite fast and burn quite a bit if calories, the exercises are basically circuits which also burns quite abit as well. martial arts is just karate for an hour non stop 5 days a week, every saturday 2 hours.
and thank you to those who ansswered the question, it was very helpful ^_^0
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