March 2017 Running Challenge
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I ran 7.8 miles last night. I would have done 8, but I was at 7.8 when I got back to my car and it was getting dark, so I decided to call it good. Anyway, my legs felt great. Hardly any hamstring pain. A little tightness, but much better than most recent runs. I wore my Brooks Ghosts for this run. I don't usually wear these shoes because I ordered them on line and they are about a half size too big and I also don't like the lack of cushioning compared to my Kayanos (I have metatarsal edema). The Brooks Ghosts have a 12mm drop, as opposed to the 10mm in the Kayano. I am not sure if this has made any of the difference, but I think I mentioned before that my hamstring problems started right around the time I got my Kayano 22s and there is a noticeable difference in the heal design versus previous models. Anyway, I think I am going to head to the running store tonight to look for a new shoe. I hate doing this so close to the marathon, but I can't help but think now more than ever that my shoes are the source of my problems.
In other news, I am currently at 69 miles for the month. Obviously not where I planned to be, but not too bad considering where I was March 1st. I have also done 5+ hours of cycling and a gazillion hours of stretching and strength training. I think I will likely finish this month out right around 100 miles and then start April off with a 20 miler.6 -
_nikkiwolf_ wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »Yeah - The Merrell Bare Access Arc 3's were my "Magic Shoes." I don't really think they change how your footstrike lands, so much as they really do a good job training you to land gently. Or you hate them forever and you go back to traditional shoes. The Arc 4's do work, but they got a little bit narrower in the toe, and a little bit more shoe, all around. Does anyone have any recommendations for something with a 0 drop that's *less* padded, but keeping a single large toebox, and none of those ridiculous toe pockets?
If not, I've read that the Vapor Glove should be a good replacement with the same fit, and a bit lighter on top.
Amazon describes a "Merrell Women's Road Glove Dash 3 Trail Running Shoe" that kind of confuses me. It's been on my radar, and I might get around to grabbing a pair - I like the blue color I keep finding. The Vapor Gloves aren't as pretty, but I think they might be even less shoe - which is what I think I may have asked for. Yeah - I need like, $1000, to buy all the shoes I want to try. So that they can discontinue all of them...0 -
03/02: 4.05 mile easy run, 9:29 pace
03/04: 3.04 mile easy run, 9:31 pace
03/05: 10.07 mile long run, 9:28 pace
03/06: 3.05 mile easy run, 9:32 pace
03/08: 4.01 mile easy run, 9:32 pace
03/09: 6.03 mile run - 4 mile tempo, 8:08 average pace
03/10: 4.05 mile easy run, 9:32 pace + 20 min XT
03/12: 12.05 mile long run, 9:28 pace
03/14: 5.00 mile tempo run
03/16: 4.19 mile easy run, 9:41 pace
03/17: 4.08 mile easy run, 9:29 pace
03/19: 10 mile race - 1:19:00 - new PR!!!
03/20: 3.07 mile easy run, 9:30 pace
03/22: 4.08 mile easy run, 9:20 pace
Total: 77.12 miles
Notes:
Got back home last night from visiting my family in FL! Only 234 new posts to catch up with -_-
Some quick updates- Florida was awesome and the weather was amazing!! I had a really wonderful time visiting my family and enjoying the warmth And best of all, the 10 miler that I had been training for went SO well, even better than my most optimistic goals! Picture and short race recap are below
Some snapshots from the Excalibur 10 Miler- mom and I in matching outfits that I made for us; obligatory watch and medal picture; finisher medal and AG award (Excalibur letter opener); coming down the homestretch with the finish line in sight; receiving my AG award.
I went into this race hoping for a 1:22:30 finish, almost three minutes slower than last year (my PR), which seemed reasonable given my injury and resultant time away. I started off a little fast because I knew that miles 3.4-5.5 were on sand (which slowed me down a lot last year!). Well, I hit the sand this year and continued to hit sub-8:05 pace. I got to the 5 mile split at 40:18 (gun time) still feeling really really great, and at that moment I knew I had it in me to PR! Stepped it up a bit and ran the last five miles at sub-7:50 pace, with the last mile in 7:18! Crossed the finish line at 1:19:00 (chip time), which is a 39 second PR! I was second in my age group, which is exciting because the award is an Excalibur letter opener Overall, a very fantastic race and I’m incredibly proud of myself for how well I did! Also, my mom and I were really cute in our matching outfits and got a lot of compliments on them
Hope all is going well! I'll try to catch up with all the posts when I can
Training For:
03/19: Excalibur 10 Miler (Viera, FL) 1:19:00 - new PR!
04/23: Ravenswood Run, 5K (Chicago)
05/21: Chicago Spring Half Marathon
10/08: Chicago Marathon
11/26: Space Coast Half Marathon (Cocoa, FL)16 -
It was a bit too windy out this morning, so another 5 miles on the dreadmill.
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@7lenny7 I had a similar situation with my calf last week. I did a couple of miles at tempo pace and just as I was about to do a third, bam, my calf hurt really bad. I slowed down immediately and kept an easy pace for the remainder of my run. And for a couple of days I stayed very easy recovery pace while my calf started to feel better. very similar to what you were describing. A few days later, I was able to go back to a tempo workout with no calf problems. So it sounds like mine was not as bad as your situation.
I read about running barefoot on the grass for a 100 meters at a time to learn natural form but never ventured off and did it. Your post intrigues me and I may try the barefoot running thing as well as getting a pair of minimalist shoes for some workouts to see if that helps my form.
@Stoshew71 another thing I noticed during my run Tuesday was that if I concentrated on greater flexing of my calf muscle on the push off, that also greatly reduced my calf pain.
Digging around the interwebs I think i figured out why both of these things helped reduce the pain. When you heel strike, you have a greater tendency for ankle dorsiflexion (bending your ankle so your toes go up), stretching out the calf. When it's stretched out, it has less additional range of motion, reducing the capacity to absorb any impact. On a forefoot strike, you tend to have planter flexion (bending your ankle to your toes go down), shortening your calf muscle which gives it a much greater available range of motion during landing to better absorb that impact.
Since 90% of my issues with running pain are in my right calf muscle (which sustained a pretty bad Grade 2 strain years ago when I was coaching soccer), this merits a further investigation and experimentation for me.
http://runforefoot.com/forefoot-running-prevent-medial-calf-pain/
The more I read about minimalist/barefoot running, the more interested I become, particularly as it relates to decreased injury rates.
@ariceroni awesome job on the race!! Love the costumes too!
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@ariceroni Excellent! Looks fun.
I've been taking things slow partly due to the knee issue from Sat. and partly due to some BG issues I've been having over the past week (not sure if there are any other type 1's here, but it adds an extra element of suck to managing physical activity). Anyway, I'm still going to run the 10K on Sat. as a training run for the more difficult 12K on 4/1.
The 10K is on mixed terrain - it says there is some paved, some gravel, and some dirt. It's very rural, but the route is listed. It is a "fun run" and informally timed, so I'm not exactly trying to win... it is just to get a run done with a race atmosphere. The mixed terrain has me curious, though. Google maps only has streetview for one of the roads (yes, it is that rural), which is gravel. Intersections with other roads show gravel as well. I'm not sure where the pavement is at, but they say the 5K is completely paved, so the starting point must be paved. Indeed, photos from last year clearly show the starting point (it is a church in the middle of nowhere, so very easy to spot in race photos where it is in the background) on what appears to be a paved road in photos. Google maps doesn't have streetview for that road, but does for a gravel road that intersects 2 other roads included (the route is mostly rectangular). Google streetview shows gravel on both roads at the intersections. This must mean that the starting point is paved (from photos) heading east, turns south to gravel (based on Google streetview image further along in the course), then turns west onto a gravel road (as seen in streetview) before turning again onto a road which can't be identified by streetview... this must be the dirt. There are photos last year from a dirt road (former road?) that is mostly washed out (I wouldn't suggest taking anything beyond a tractor or maybe a 4WD).
My question is this: What shoes should I wear?
I have a separate set of shoes for roads and trails. The road shoes (Hoka One Clifton) have a lot of padding, but not as much grip, are not waterproof, and don't have much protection on the front for stubbing on rocks, roots, etc. The trail shoes (Ahnu) are waterproof, have better grip, have one of those solid front pieces (not sure what it is called), but also have less padding. The trail shoes are going to be less comfortable on gravel due to the smaller amount of padding, but the road shoes are going to make some serious challenges of slipping on the dirt areas (which I expect to be muddy due to rain the prior day and morning before-hand). I'm leaning towards the trail shoes, despite that the gravel will be less comfortable. Any advice from those experienced on varied terrains?0 -
Date - Mi - MTD
3/1 - 1.26 - 1.26
3/2 - 6.00 - 7.26
3/3 - 1.43 - 8.69
3/6 - 3.55 -12.24
3/7 - 1.20 - 13.44
3/8 - 6.00 - 19.44
3/9 - 4.20 - 23.64
3/10 - 1.23 - 24.47
3/11 - 8.78 - 33.25
3/12 - 1.00 - 34.25 + 17mi biking
3/13 - 4.00 - 38.25
3/14 - 3.52 - 41.77
3/15 - 2.41 - 44.18
3/16 - 5.51 - 49.69
3/17 - 1.28 - 50.97
3/18 - 9.01 - 59.98
3/21 - 3.05 - 63.03
3/22 - 1.10 - 64.13
3/23 - 6.03 - 70.16
Completed my goal of 70mi for this month! Will try to go for 80 so I average roughly 20mi per week.5 -
Hi fellow runners!
Aim: 120k
3/2: 1.5k -warmup for strenght training-
3/3: 11.6k -5.49 min/km-
3/4: 4.4k -wu and cd for strength training-
3/5: 10.7k -Perfect trail, a little bit tired at the end-
3/8: 6.5k -easy incline-
3/9: 8k -treadmill, intervals-
3/11: 6k -last shake out before race-
3/12: 13k -Trail Race-
3/14: 5k -cool down from race and from strength training-
3/15: 4k -cool down-
3/16: 6.2k -empty stomach early morning run-
3/20: 1.3k -walk/run at gym-
3/22: 2k -cool down from strength training-
3/23: 7.2k -soft ground, easy-
Back in business.. well almost..
SUM: 87.4/120k
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@midwesterner85 The 1st HM I did last year was on mixed terrain. I didn't realize this and wore my road shoes. The dirt and gravel paths were relatively flat and wide. They definitely were not technical in nature, so I'd wear the road shoes again in a heartbeat. My road shoes are lighter and faster than my trail shoes.
I'm not sure if you know whether the dirt/ gravel portions are easy or technical. If they are easy, I'd wear the road shoes. If they are technical with single track, hills, large rocks/obstacles, I'd wear the trail shoes so you have the traction you need.0 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »My question is this: What shoes should I wear?
@midwesterner85 I put a lot of trail miles on my road shoes before I got around to buying dedicated trail shoes and the reality is, most trails I run would be fine for road shoes. I think trail shoes hold up the rigors of trail running better in the long run for a few miles here and there, you're not going to beat up the road shoes. I recently had a 7 mile run on very hilly, sometimes rocky terrain in my ASICS Gel-Nimbus with no issue. I've never worn Hoka's so I can't comment on how well those would work for you.
Road shoes may be better for mud in certain conditions. Depending on the consistency of the mud and the tread on the shoe, the more aggressive tread on the trail shoe could pickup and hold the mud, making them heavier. The best mud tread I've seen is one which is almost spike like, such as my Salomon Speed Cross shoes. The protrusions are deep but widely spaced to allow it to shed mud quite well.
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@beeerrunner No, not technical trails. I'm not familiar with the area, but based on pics from last year and from the map, the dirt portion is basically an old dirt road (technically still a road on the map, it appears):
@7lenny7 Yes, my trail shoes definitely pick up and hold onto mud, but they also seem to do a good job of keeping me from sliding and falling on it.
I'm about to retire my road shoes anyway, so I probably wouldn't even bother cleaning them off if they got muddy. I think ya'll have some good points... I was leaning towards the trail shoes at first, but now thinking I'll take the road shoes out.2 -
girlinahat wrote: »
things are going well on the additional days running idea. I'm really enjoying my runs right now, although I'm still pushing too fast.
this morning was damp and I only for a moment considered not going out. Did some puddle-testing of the Kinvara 8's. They responded well, draining swiftly.
and....er....I'm toying with the idea of a FULL marathon next year. I know, I haven't even done a half yet....
Is that a buried ammonite? ima come dig it up, ahaha!1 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »@beeerrunner No, not technical trails. I'm not familiar with the area, but based on pics from last year and from the map, the dirt portion is basically an old dirt road (technically still a road on the map, it appears):
@7lenny7 Yes, my trail shoes definitely pick up and hold onto mud, but they also seem to do a good job of keeping me from sliding and falling on it.
I'm about to retire my road shoes anyway, so I probably wouldn't even bother cleaning them off if they got muddy. I think ya'll have some good points... I was leaning towards the trail shoes at first, but now thinking I'll take the road shoes out.
I don't really have any experience with highly technical trail running, but based on that pic you posted I've done quite a few of my long runs on surfaces like that, and have always just worn my road shoes, with no problems at all.4 -
Very, very sick. Spent all day yesterday in bed with horribly anxiety. Went to the ER this morning and they're putting me in an outpatient program. I start tomorrow.
No running obviously yesterday but did manage a 3.5 mile run/walk in the afternoon today and it felt good.
Wish me luck with this outpatient program. I'm in a really bad place and I need to get it under control.
May not check in that much, but I'll try to keep up.7 -
Oh @RespectTheKitty sorry to hear you're struggling.
Hopefully the outpatient program can get you on the way to feeling better. Check in now and then even just to say hi, and get runs in if and when you feel like it.0 -
@midwesterner85 I get distracted a fair amount when running on hard surfaces/gravel and dive off into the woods - the surface can be muddy and rocky so perhaps similar to what you may get. I wear my Skechers a lot and they do fine on the mud. Having said that, I already suspect the kinvara's won't be as good - I can feel the occasional slip on the muddier sections of road.
If it's going to be muddy, then as others have suggested, if your shoes will hold the mud that's less than good. You may find you need to modify the way you run, so as not to slip and slide too much, but judging from those pictures, most road shoes should be okay.3 -
Good luck @RespectTheKitty I really hope the program is exactly what you need and wish you all the best.
Date :::: Miles :::: March MTD (goal = 95)
03/01/17 :::: 2.3 :::: 2.3
03/02/17 :::: 6.7 :::: 9.0
03/03/17 :::: 5.1 :::: 14.1
03/04/17 :::: 3.1 :::: 17.2
03/05/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 19.9
03/06/17 :::: 4.4 :::: 24.2
03/07/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 24.2
03/08/17 :::: 2.7 :::: 26.9
03/09/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 29.5
03/10/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 33.0
03/11/17 :::: 2.7 :::: 35.7
03/12/17 :::: 7.7 :::: 43.4
03/13/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 46.0
03/14/17 :::: 5.0 :::: 51.0
03/15/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 54.4
03/16/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 54.4
03/17/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 54.4
03/18/17 :::: 7.4 :::: 61.8
03/19/17 :::: 4.0 :::: 65.9
03/20/17 :::: 2.8 :::: 68.6
03/21/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 68.6
03/22/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 71.2
03/23/17 :::: 2.7 :::: 73.9
Treadmill run again - but this time at least I did it before work to mix it up a bit Temps seem to be warming up a bit but we have a bunch of rain in the forecast so I'm not getting my hopes up.
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1---Rest
2---3.07 run/walk
4---2.49 walk
7---3.25 walk
9---3.25 run/walk
10---7.0 miles on da bike
11---4.80 trails run
15---4.21trails run
17-20---Ft Benning Georgia trip
21---4.69 walk, tried to run HOT!
23---4.02 run
29.78/31
RACES!!!
March 26th 2017 A2A 5k Ardmore, OK (registered)
The Trail Run at Eagle Mt Park (2 mile trail hike) Apr 2 (registered)
Color Me Crazy 5k Run April 15th (registered)
XTERRA Rock Dallas Trail Run (HM at night) May 27 (Tentative)
XTERRA Jurassic Trail Run (HM at night) Jul 8 (Tentative)
I ran this much... Average pace 14:29 which is amazing. Anything sub 15 in the heat and gimpy makes me happy!9 -
Put on a knee brace for a run today. Knee is still more sore after the run, so going to use ibuprofen as well. I don't think it is getting worse, but it sure doesn't seem like it is getting much better any more. I'm so close to 4/1, so I'm not going to stop at this point regardless.
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@Elise4270 - I think you might be faster than me at the moment on 4 miles (estimated). But I'm working on it!6
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RespectTheKitty wrote: »Very, very sick. Spent all day yesterday in bed with horribly anxiety. Went to the ER this morning and they're putting me in an outpatient program. I start tomorrow.
No running obviously yesterday but did manage a 3.5 mile run/walk in the afternoon today and it felt good.
Wish me luck with this outpatient program. I'm in a really bad place and I need to get it under control.
May not check in that much, but I'll try to keep up.
@RespectTheKitty - wishing you wellness.0 -
3/01-3.1 miles
3/02-1.44 miles
3/03-3.14 miles
3/04-3.85 miles
3/05-yoga
3/06-4.25 miles
3/07-1.44 miles
3/14-3.1 miles
3/15-3.62 miles
3/16-1.45 miles
3/17-3 miles
3/18-4.1 miles
3/21-3.1 miles
3/23-4.12 miles(hills)
Races- 5K - 7/16
- 5K - 7/30
- 5 miles - 8/13
- 5 miles - 8/27
- 10K - 9/10
- 10K - 9/24
- 10 miles - 10/8
- 10 miles - 10/22
- Half marathon - 11/5
- Half marathon - 11/19
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WhatMeRunning wrote: »@Elise4270 - I think you might be faster than me at the moment on 4 miles (estimated). But I'm working on it!
Wow! Haha! Well I think I was running off all the Georgia food. I may be on to something.3 -
I did it!
I ran 30 km for the first time!
3:26:35 Strava Moving Time; 6:52/km
3:35:24 Garmin Total Time; 7:09/km
My friend Bryan joined me for an enjoyable 15 km, and then I ran on my own, and just as I was battling with 5 km to go, my friend Narelle joined me and made the final finish fun!! So lucky to have running friends!
So happy!!!
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Today was a sad day for runners in our community. It has been beautiful the last couple of days so a lot of people are hitting the trail system to gear up for race season. A woman here in town took her baby out in the jogging stroller this morning and was savagely beaten by a guy. This is a rig town and rig towns attract druggies and it seems to be assumed this is drug related. Bothered me a lot though that the general consensus in town was either, "Well women shouldn't run alone anyway." or "At least she didn't get raped!". How about don't attack people?
Ran roads because my husband, for obvious reasons, was not cool with me running trail. Thought about that lady and her baby a lot. Bear mace is going on the gear list for tomorrow
Stay safe all
March 1- 15km
March 2- 18km
March 3- 15km
March 4- 22km
March 5- 13km
March 6- Rest
March 7- 16km
March 8- 13.7km
March 9- 1.6km (RIP Treadmill )
March 10 & 11 - Snowing/Most Depressing Days Ever
March 12- 11.1km
March 13- 11.1km
March 14 to 17- Husband OOT
March 18- 7km
March 19- 9km
March 20- 7km
March 21- 11.1km
March 22- 18.4km
March 23- 6km
195/250km5 -
March goal: lose (another)3lbs3/1 2.54 + core/strength training 30m
3/2 3.20
3/3 5.25
3/4 yoga 45m
3/5 rest
3/6 4.17
3/7 3.55
3/8 4.00
3/9 rest
3/10 2.05 and yoga 30m
3/11 lazy
3/12 3.74
3/13 snorkel 4 hours
3/14 6.38
3/15 snorkel 2 hours
3/16 2.25 + yoga 30min
3/17 4.14
3/18 rest
3/19 3.10
3/20 rest
3/21 3.91
3/22 6.43
3/23 4.00
Total: 58.72
A shoutout @skippygirlsmom ....hope all is well.
@RespectTheKitty wishing you peace
@dkabambe Hope you recover quickly
@WhatMeRunning ...I read it!
@ariceroni great run and cute outfits!
Ticker is my goal for 2017 and progress to date:
Completed and upcoming races:
Run through the solar system Virtual 10k: 3/14
Big Island International Marathon (---just doing the 5k) 3/19
Volcano Rainforest Runs 10k 8/19
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@JessicaMcB Wow, that is terrible. Even worse that people blame the victim. WTF?!0
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@midwesterner85 I agree, its so sad that the first reaction a lot of people had was to essentially blame her or start drama (someone close to the situation issued a warning on the town facebook group about what had happened and quite a few people kept clucking about how they needed more details, etc.).
I just hope she is okay and they figure out who did it. A lot of unsolved crime here (people going missing) and a girl was murdered on the trails system in 2008. Between that and how flat out aggressive some men have been to me and other female runners I know in town, this is shaping up to be an uneasy season. Pricing the new treadmill tomorrow at least so I have the option to avoid it I guess...0 -
@JessicaMcB -- How awful!! I will say a prayer for her and her family. Do police have any leads on the attacker?1
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