Real food diet...is that a thing?
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Whole foods is a good idea, a very good idea in fact. What is not good is obsession with whole foods to where it affects quality of life and relationships and produces unnecessary stress. It's also not good when restrictions affect your ability to follow your chosen weight control plan indefinitely.10
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
Actually, it does not.
The amount of fiber in a single banana does not even negate even 95% of the natural sugars in it.
If someone is a diabetic, taking insulin they still need to take the same amount of insulin for the carbs in the fruit after subtracting fiber as they would from a chocolate bar with the same carbs. If a diabetic ate fruit without taking insulin to balance it, their blood sugars would spike, same as a healthy person, however the healthy person creates their own insulin and balances the sugar in the fruit the same way a person with diabetes taking insulin would. Spikes happen regardless.
Just gonna leave this debate with a recomandation from WHO.
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.0 -
CICO...yes, this is simple math and is obviously going to work. My thought process is that although a Twinkie and a piece of salmon might have the same caloric intake does that make both foods equal? No, it doesn't. I understand that's not the point many are trying to make here. I'm not just worried about losing weight (although that's my main objective), I'm also worried about the food I'm eating and how it affects my health. All things in moderation right? I agree and after reading all of the comments I don't think my original plan is realistic. I also don't think that eating 'whole foods' or 'real foods' whatever you call it is a bad thing.
I agree with you on this.
I think where your initial post might have tripped some alarms is that a lot of us have dieted on and off and know all too well how that shiny-new resolve to start a new diet with all sorts of sweeping changes fails really fast.
We've learned that making any kind of drastic drudgery of dieting just doesn't work for the long haul.
So while your commitment to eating well is a good thing, can you maybe think of ways to do it that are easier to implement in stages into your life so that the changes are sustainable and permanent. More importantly, can you make such changes without having rigid rules?
It's okay if your vegetables are frozen, or your spaghetti sauce is from a jar (yes, look at the ingredients and buy the best brand with the fewest ingredients).
It's also okay if you have some dark chocolate or ice cream every day. Or ... you say you're eating fruit? Dessert can be fruit, yogurt... and some chocolate chips sprinkled in or you can top it with chocolate or caramel syrup (I often have this for dessert myself).
Just try to loosen up on the absolutes you envisioned for your path to the new you and take the scenic route. You'll enjoy the ride much more.11 -
Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
Actually, it does not.
The amount of fiber in a single banana does not even negate even 95% of the natural sugars in it.
If someone is a diabetic, taking insulin they still need to take the same amount of insulin for the carbs in the fruit after subtracting fiber as they would from a chocolate bar with the same carbs. If a diabetic ate fruit without taking insulin to balance it, their blood sugars would spike, same as a healthy person, however the healthy person creates their own insulin and balances the sugar in the fruit the same way a person with diabetes taking insulin would. Spikes happen regardless.
Just gonna leave this debate with a recomandation from WHO.
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
So your interpretation of the WHO Guidelines is that if you eat sugars from fresh fruits and vegetables, that you are not at risk of becoming overweight, obese, or having tooth decay?7 -
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As I'm typing this I'm eating a piece of chocolate birthday cake from an office birthday. I logged it and I still have 600 calories left to meet my new goal of 1550.39
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WinoGelato wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
Actually, it does not.
The amount of fiber in a single banana does not even negate even 95% of the natural sugars in it.
If someone is a diabetic, taking insulin they still need to take the same amount of insulin for the carbs in the fruit after subtracting fiber as they would from a chocolate bar with the same carbs. If a diabetic ate fruit without taking insulin to balance it, their blood sugars would spike, same as a healthy person, however the healthy person creates their own insulin and balances the sugar in the fruit the same way a person with diabetes taking insulin would. Spikes happen regardless.
Just gonna leave this debate with a recomandation from WHO.
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
So your interpretation of the WHO Guidelines is that if you eat sugars from fresh fruits and vegetables, that you are not at risk of becoming overweight, obese, or having tooth decay?
This is straight from the WHO website, not my interpretation.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
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I *used to* like you, Kriss.5
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Kriss, why did you do that to all of us? More importantly, why isn't that in my house?5
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WinoGelato wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
Actually, it does not.
The amount of fiber in a single banana does not even negate even 95% of the natural sugars in it.
If someone is a diabetic, taking insulin they still need to take the same amount of insulin for the carbs in the fruit after subtracting fiber as they would from a chocolate bar with the same carbs. If a diabetic ate fruit without taking insulin to balance it, their blood sugars would spike, same as a healthy person, however the healthy person creates their own insulin and balances the sugar in the fruit the same way a person with diabetes taking insulin would. Spikes happen regardless.
Just gonna leave this debate with a recomandation from WHO.
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
So your interpretation of the WHO Guidelines is that if you eat sugars from fresh fruits and vegetables, that you are not at risk of becoming overweight, obese, or having tooth decay?
This is straight from the WHO website, not my interpretation.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
Then I take exception to the wording in that press release. Obesity is caused by consuming too many calories, period. It is not caused exclusively by consuming free sugars in excess of 10% of total calories, and it is entirely possible to become obese while eating an excess of calories from whole foods. I would think that being obese, regardless of where the calories came from, would be considered an adverse effect.
That said, the recommendations to limit added sugars are done because many of the products where these added sugars are prevalent are calorie dense, but in the US, obesity is still on the rise even though sugar consumption on the decline.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Kriss, why did you do that to all of us? More importantly, why isn't that in my house?
That doesn't look gluten free. I think it probably should come to my house, not yours. Just looking out for you, my celiac friend...10 -
I want to know how they ("they") know how much sugar (by gram no less) each person consumes.
I buy big bags of sugar, but I only use it for hummingbird nectar. Am I skewing the results?
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..and I'm normal weight. I'm a poll-taker's/chart maker's nightmare.2
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That green stuff isn't food. It's what I use to bulk up my tuna. Chocolate layer cake would be yucky with tuna, though.5
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cmriverside wrote: »That green stuff isn't food. It's what I use to bulk up my tuna. Chocolate layer cake would be yucky with tuna, though.
and that's how you beat a craving, ya'll. You're welcome.2 -
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OP - you go, girl! Love your approach. Cut calories (and carefully measure portions to know what you're eating). Cut sugar to reduce sugar cravings.
I don't know about eating grass, but y'know, if it works for you, go for it! Never heard of Amazing Grass before. Oh, I see--it's some powdered stuff in a can. Well, if it makes you happy, more power to you.
Developing a taste for whole/real/actual foods is a great idea. It can take some time to adjust so you don't feel like you're depriving yourself. But once you do, it gets a lot easier. You may find yourself not interested in the cake. Of course, some days you may be super interested in the cake. But then...eat the cake. It's ok. (Maybe not the whole cake.)
Don't let anyone else tell you the "right" way for you to eat and to lose weight. Your body will tell you. IMHO, 1200 calories is hard to do day in and day out. I do it, but allow for a "cheat day" where I still measure, but don't worry so much about the total (2500 calories tends to feel like a LOT, though, once you're used to half that). But 1550 sounds like a great amount to be satiated every day without a cheat day.
Good luck and keep us posted on your journey!
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All I was doing was suggesting an approach that has more of a track record that would provide a framework for what the OP seemed to intend to want to accomplish.
no, you said CICO does not work for some people, which is an incorrect statement and I don't think you understand what CICO is.
CICO is not a way of eating. Again, CICO is not a way of eating. It is a math formula that says if you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight; if you eat as many calories as you burn, your weight will stay relatively the same; and if you eat more calories then you burn then you will gain weight.
So who are these people that defy math?
I think CICO is pretty much interpreted as a way of eating in this place when people (majority) eat minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle.
That's is sooo much a specific way of eating. 0 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »All I was doing was suggesting an approach that has more of a track record that would provide a framework for what the OP seemed to intend to want to accomplish.
no, you said CICO does not work for some people, which is an incorrect statement and I don't think you understand what CICO is.
CICO is not a way of eating. Again, CICO is not a way of eating. It is a math formula that says if you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight; if you eat as many calories as you burn, your weight will stay relatively the same; and if you eat more calories then you burn then you will gain weight.
So who are these people that defy math?
I think CICO is pretty much interpreted as a way of eating in this place when people (majority) eat minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle. That's is sooo much a specific way of eating.
It's not though, it is a mathematical formula.4 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »All I was doing was suggesting an approach that has more of a track record that would provide a framework for what the OP seemed to intend to want to accomplish.
no, you said CICO does not work for some people, which is an incorrect statement and I don't think you understand what CICO is.
CICO is not a way of eating. Again, CICO is not a way of eating. It is a math formula that says if you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight; if you eat as many calories as you burn, your weight will stay relatively the same; and if you eat more calories then you burn then you will gain weight.
So who are these people that defy math?
I think CICO is pretty much interpreted as a way of eating in this place when people (majority) eat minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle. That's is sooo much a specific way of eating.
It's not though, it is a mathematical formula.
OK.
I won't argue with a guy flexing his bicep and has over 27k posts
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Based off of the reactions here (most of them mean, geesh) about the shakes I am going to reevaluate that part of my plan and add back in an actual dinner. It's hard having dinner on the go which is why I really liked the shakes!
Thanks again, I really appreciate your advice!
Try not to take stuff personally here. Some people get pretty excited when they get to tell someone else what to do.
I also like protein shakes - they are both convenient and nutritious. But that stuff in your link looks horrible - hence the negative responses. I use Optimum Nutrition, and BSN Syntha-6 - both are delicious, and get excellent reviews. 1 -
What is there to argue about? It is a formula. Are you disputing that?endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »All I was doing was suggesting an approach that has more of a track record that would provide a framework for what the OP seemed to intend to want to accomplish.
no, you said CICO does not work for some people, which is an incorrect statement and I don't think you understand what CICO is.
CICO is not a way of eating. Again, CICO is not a way of eating. It is a math formula that says if you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight; if you eat as many calories as you burn, your weight will stay relatively the same; and if you eat more calories then you burn then you will gain weight.
So who are these people that defy math?
I think CICO is pretty much interpreted as a way of eating in this place when people (majority) eat minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle. That's is sooo much a specific way of eating.
It's not though, it is a mathematical formula.
OK.
I won't argue with a guy flexing his bicep and has over 27k posts3 -
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endlessfall16 wrote: »All I was doing was suggesting an approach that has more of a track record that would provide a framework for what the OP seemed to intend to want to accomplish.
no, you said CICO does not work for some people, which is an incorrect statement and I don't think you understand what CICO is.
CICO is not a way of eating. Again, CICO is not a way of eating. It is a math formula that says if you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight; if you eat as many calories as you burn, your weight will stay relatively the same; and if you eat more calories then you burn then you will gain weight.
So who are these people that defy math?
I think CICO is pretty much interpreted as a way of eating in this place when people (majority) eat minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle. That's is sooo much a specific way of eating.
Let's parse what you just said.
If CICO is a WAY of EATING how does
"minding the number of calories consumed and expended per lifestyle"
describe that way of eating?
If I track calories in out, what does that tell you about what I'm eating (which is what a way of eating is?
In other words, what you just said makes no sense. You're arguing just to argue.2 -
OP, it seems like the diet aspect of your plan has been well critiqued and you're adjusting (which is great!). Just wanted to know if you have an activity part of your plan.
I know you're busy and I totally get that (homeschooling mom of 4 here!), but for me activity helps me keep to my calorie goal without becoming a hangry ogress (both by mildly suppressing my appetite, making me want to fuel my body well to get the most from my workouts, and by giving me more calories. I'm 5'4" and lost 75 lbs on 1800 plus some activity cals). I'm not sure your activity level/step count, but even a moderate increase for me makes a huge difference in how I feel and how sustainable my calorie goal seems.0 -
Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
I have a refeed day tomorrow with all da carbs. I feel like this should feature.OP - you go, girl! Love your approach. Cut calories (and carefully measure portions to know what you're eating). Cut sugar to reduce sugar cravings.
I don't know about eating grass, but y'know, if it works for you, go for it! Never heard of Amazing Grass before. Oh, I see--it's some powdered stuff in a can. Well, if it makes you happy, more power to you.
Developing a taste for whole/real/actual foods is a great idea. It can take some time to adjust so you don't feel like you're depriving yourself. But once you do, it gets a lot easier. You may find yourself not interested in the cake. Of course, some days you may be super interested in the cake. But then...eat the cake. It's ok. (Maybe not the whole cake.)
Don't let anyone else tell you the "right" way for you to eat and to lose weight. Your body will tell you. IMHO, 1200 calories is hard to do day in and day out. I do it, but allow for a "cheat day" where I still measure, but don't worry so much about the total (2500 calories tends to feel like a LOT, though, once you're used to half that). But 1550 sounds like a great amount to be satiated every day without a cheat day.
Good luck and keep us posted on your journey!
Somebody didn't read the thread........3 -
fitmom4lifemfp wrote: »Based off of the reactions here (most of them mean, geesh) about the shakes I am going to reevaluate that part of my plan and add back in an actual dinner. It's hard having dinner on the go which is why I really liked the shakes!
Thanks again, I really appreciate your advice!
Try not to take stuff personally here. Some people get pretty excited when they get to tell someone else what to do. I also like protein shakes - they are both convenient and nutritious. But that stuff in your link looks horrible - hence the negative responses. I use Optimum Nutrition, and BSN Syntha-6 - both are delicious, and get excellent reviews.
Did you read the thread? OP is delighted to feel a lot more free with their food choices and up their calorie goal. In fact, she's eating some cake right now. I don't think any of went round there and demanded she do so with cake in hand*.
*Should someone want to march round here and force me to eat cake, feel free.6
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