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"Drink Shakeology because protein turns to fat"
BrunetteRunner87
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I swear I used the search function and was not able to find an informative thread about the topic of protein turning to fat!
I have a lot of facebook friends who are friends with a beachbody coach and so her posts pop up in my newsfeed sometimes. Last night she posted this long post about how shakeology is better than protein shakes because only body builders need protein shakes, the rest of us will end up with too much protein and it will turn to fat. So drink shakeology instead because it's not all protein but all kinds of nutrition and is the healthiest meal you can have all day!
I started to go crazy at first! I thought:
- Having an excess of anything, if it puts you in a calorie surplus, will make you fat
- Even if you're not a body builder you still need a good amount of protein that you may not be getting from food alone (even on days when I have protein powder I end up around 30% of my macros as protein) especially if you're doing the beachbody at home videos, you're still building muscle with the body weight exercises.
- Even if your body can't absorb more than a certain amount of protein at one time as some people claim, well, then your body isn't absorbing it so then wouldn't it just come out in your poo?
But then I started to google it and found some websites that confirmed too much protein turns to fat! So before I start thinking how dumb that girl's post was, I would like to hear from both sides. What could you say to prove that what she says isn't true? And there must be people here who believe it, so how do you back it up?
I have a lot of facebook friends who are friends with a beachbody coach and so her posts pop up in my newsfeed sometimes. Last night she posted this long post about how shakeology is better than protein shakes because only body builders need protein shakes, the rest of us will end up with too much protein and it will turn to fat. So drink shakeology instead because it's not all protein but all kinds of nutrition and is the healthiest meal you can have all day!
I started to go crazy at first! I thought:
- Having an excess of anything, if it puts you in a calorie surplus, will make you fat
- Even if you're not a body builder you still need a good amount of protein that you may not be getting from food alone (even on days when I have protein powder I end up around 30% of my macros as protein) especially if you're doing the beachbody at home videos, you're still building muscle with the body weight exercises.
- Even if your body can't absorb more than a certain amount of protein at one time as some people claim, well, then your body isn't absorbing it so then wouldn't it just come out in your poo?
But then I started to google it and found some websites that confirmed too much protein turns to fat! So before I start thinking how dumb that girl's post was, I would like to hear from both sides. What could you say to prove that what she says isn't true? And there must be people here who believe it, so how do you back it up?
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It's completely incorrect. Read this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html/
And the follow up: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Since we're being pedantic, basically the first thing that will be stored as fat, is fat. Then carbs via DNL (though it's more rare) and finally, protein. Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".14 -
I wouldn't believe anything said by someone selling Shakeology.68
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Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.27
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Any excess energy unused turns to fats, because insulin declutters your sugars instantly from blood stream snd stores it as fats. Now not all of us start a walk right after our meals therefore it is recommended to have small meals low in refined carbs so that we get energy as we can use it. Is a pretty straight forward thing i guess.
So making calories up to your BMR if you are not very active is recommended. Of course rest depends on illness, activity levels, hormonal imbalances etc. But this is basic for an average healthy person trying to eat right.28 -
Vinutellaeeta wrote: »Any excess energy unused turns to fats, because insulin declutters your sugars instantly from blood stream snd stores it as fats. Now not all of us start a walk right after our meals therefore it is recommended to have small meals low in refined carbs so that we get energy as we can use it. Is a pretty straight forward thing i guess.
So making calories up to your BMR if you are not very active is recommended. Of course rest depends on illness, activity levels, hormonal imbalances etc. But this is basic for an average healthy person trying to eat right.
The bolded demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of how energy balance works.
As to the OP, read the links provided by Gallowmere. They explain in detail what happens with protein in the body. And don't ever listen to a Beachbody "coach" - there is no training or education whatsoever required to become one. They pay their $39.99 fee and voila, they're a "coach". Most of them know nothing about nutrition or training other than how to peddle their scammy shakes and maybe sell exercise videos.19 -
With Shakeology I can just shake the fat off! wiggle wiggle wiggle he he15
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So basically the body would magically pull energy out of thin air on a deficit just for the purpose of storing protein as fat just because shakeology says so? Sounds legit. Unless people who don't drink shakeology are at risk of being hit by lightning and developing the superpower of photosynthesis, I don't see how that would happen.7
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This is fun. Silly Facebook.
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xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.16 -
+1. When people start to put out these stupid pseudoscience theories out there, it's no reason no one can get weight loss right.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »It's completely incorrect. Read this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html/
And the follow up: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Since we're being pedantic, basically the first thing that will be stored as fat, is fat. Then carbs via DNL (though it's more rare) and finally, protein. Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
Nothing until you do it all with a squat magic.11 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
AH! We found the beachbody salesman! Welcome to the logic zone where all you need is a calorie deficit to lose 40 pounds! *queue twilight theme*13 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
You lost the 40 pounds (congrats btw) because you burned more calories than you consumed.
The actual BB videos aren't bad (depending on your physical condition) but the nutrition they try to sell is a waste.8 -
Shakeology = protein powder w/ powdered multivitamin. That's all it is.6
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »It's completely incorrect. Read this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html/
And the follow up: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Since we're being pedantic, basically the first thing that will be stored as fat, is fat. Then carbs via DNL (though it's more rare) and finally, protein. Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".
I have nothing to add about Shakeology. I just wanted to say a big thank you, @Gallowmere1984. That site is wonderfully informative.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »It's completely incorrect. Read this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html/
And the follow up: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Since we're being pedantic, basically the first thing that will be stored as fat, is fat. Then carbs via DNL (though it's more rare) and finally, protein. Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".
Valuable. Thanks.0 -
I would *never* buy anything that wouldn't post its ingredients on their website. What a load of *kittens*!
That said, I have successfully lost weight / fat (inches) on the following macros 45% protein / 40% fat / 15% carbs&sugar while maintaining a calorie deficit.9 -
I have a friend who is a Beachbody coach. A couple of years ago s/he tried to get me on it. I investigated around the internet and also was shocked at the price of their Shakeology. When I told them my income was precarious and I couldn't afford it, they suggested I quit my gym membership and by their Shakes instead!! I couldn't believe it. This person was an old friend and it just seemed so out of character. From what I read, it's a pyramid scheme--they have to get more people to join and become coaches so that those already selling, get paid/get discounts on their products. It was disappointing but from then on, I don't believe a thing that anybody from Shakeology or Beachbody says/writes.13
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I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.15
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Angel49kitty wrote: »I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.
@Angel49kitty do you have a link to these university research results stating that excess protein (in a calorie deficit) is stored as fat?8 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.
@Angel49kitty do you have a link to these university research results stating that excess protein (in a calorie deficit) is stored as fat?
They were general studies about high protein diets (I don't believe they were calorie deficit though).
The University published article about research for excess protein intake:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/126929/
Apparently I was remembering incorrectly and two were from medical sites/journals, not universities. I read them a while ago, so my apologies for inaccurate information.
Medical study comparing low to high protein diets:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Larsen,+T.M.,+et+al.,+Diets+with+high+or+low+protein+content+and+glycemic+index+for+weight-loss+maintenance.+N+Engl+J+Med,+2010.+363(22):+p.+2102-13.
Medical study that addresses the effects on the kidneys:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4258944/
Feel free to read and correct me if I recalled any information inaccurately! (I'm re-reading them right now).5 -
The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.15 -
The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check with me (without calling me a liar or an idiot, as the majority of the internet would have).27 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check.
No problem, I understand people not wanting to eat too much protein for fear of a variety of things. In a calorie deficit protein will not be stored as fat. I suggest people eat more protein than the RDA because of all the reasons listed in the third paper you posted. Protein can be very filling and keep you full for longer. Combine that with some vegetables (fiber) and you've got a well balanced meal that keeps you full and provides a lot of things your body needs.
I will also be the first person to tell someone when they set their protein higher than necessary. It's really about balance.9 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check.
No problem, I understand people not wanting to eat too much protein for fear of a variety of things. In a calorie deficit protein will not be stored as fat. I suggest people eat more protein than the RDA because of all the reasons listed in the third paper you posted. Protein can be very filling and keep you full for longer. Combine that with some vegetables (fiber) and you've got a well balanced meal that keeps you full and provides a lot of things your body needs.
I will also be the first person to tell someone when they set their protein higher than necessary. It's really about balance.
As with most things in life (and the universe), the truth (and best practice) is most often found in the shades of grey that lies between two extremes. Whodathunkit?
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
As with most things in life (and the universe), the truth (and best practice) is most often found in the shades of grey that lies between two extremes. Whodathunkit?
I think that's why I actually enjoy when people correct me or teach me something new. And sometimes there's a middle ground where our opinions or knowledge cross, and both parties (or however many people) benefit.
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BB workouts are fine. But.....people should understand that the real money they make, especially after they sell the workouts at a high price when they're new, comes from the products they sell...the subscription is recurring revenue (anything that businesses can do that turns a product into a service is a money maker...)
Like others in the Big Diet and Big Fitness industry, the more obfuscation of truth there is, the better. It's not like they lie directly, more like they tell partial truths...enough to create a demand for those that don't know or don't want to take the time to know more.
The subscription to their full library of workouts isn't bad. I know you can get similar things for free out there. We have the subscription because we like the workouts in general, so for $90 for a year there is enough value for us.
We have zero of their accessory products though.4 -
Well a lot of people are naive otherwise Shakeology wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of months!5
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