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"Drink Shakeology because protein turns to fat"
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I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.15
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Angel49kitty wrote: »I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.
@Angel49kitty do you have a link to these university research results stating that excess protein (in a calorie deficit) is stored as fat?8 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »I read three research results from universities that each concluded processing excess protein is difficult on the kidneys, which also dehydrates you (as your body takes away water to flush the kidneys), and confirmed that excess protein stores into fat.
@Angel49kitty do you have a link to these university research results stating that excess protein (in a calorie deficit) is stored as fat?
They were general studies about high protein diets (I don't believe they were calorie deficit though).
The University published article about research for excess protein intake:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/126929/
Apparently I was remembering incorrectly and two were from medical sites/journals, not universities. I read them a while ago, so my apologies for inaccurate information.
Medical study comparing low to high protein diets:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Larsen,+T.M.,+et+al.,+Diets+with+high+or+low+protein+content+and+glycemic+index+for+weight-loss+maintenance.+N+Engl+J+Med,+2010.+363(22):+p.+2102-13.
Medical study that addresses the effects on the kidneys:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4258944/
Feel free to read and correct me if I recalled any information inaccurately! (I'm re-reading them right now).5 -
The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.15 -
The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check with me (without calling me a liar or an idiot, as the majority of the internet would have).27 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check.
No problem, I understand people not wanting to eat too much protein for fear of a variety of things. In a calorie deficit protein will not be stored as fat. I suggest people eat more protein than the RDA because of all the reasons listed in the third paper you posted. Protein can be very filling and keep you full for longer. Combine that with some vegetables (fiber) and you've got a well balanced meal that keeps you full and provides a lot of things your body needs.
I will also be the first person to tell someone when they set their protein higher than necessary. It's really about balance.9 -
Angel49kitty wrote: »The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.
Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.
Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.
Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check.
No problem, I understand people not wanting to eat too much protein for fear of a variety of things. In a calorie deficit protein will not be stored as fat. I suggest people eat more protein than the RDA because of all the reasons listed in the third paper you posted. Protein can be very filling and keep you full for longer. Combine that with some vegetables (fiber) and you've got a well balanced meal that keeps you full and provides a lot of things your body needs.
I will also be the first person to tell someone when they set their protein higher than necessary. It's really about balance.
As with most things in life (and the universe), the truth (and best practice) is most often found in the shades of grey that lies between two extremes. Whodathunkit?
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
As with most things in life (and the universe), the truth (and best practice) is most often found in the shades of grey that lies between two extremes. Whodathunkit?
I think that's why I actually enjoy when people correct me or teach me something new. And sometimes there's a middle ground where our opinions or knowledge cross, and both parties (or however many people) benefit.
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BB workouts are fine. But.....people should understand that the real money they make, especially after they sell the workouts at a high price when they're new, comes from the products they sell...the subscription is recurring revenue (anything that businesses can do that turns a product into a service is a money maker...)
Like others in the Big Diet and Big Fitness industry, the more obfuscation of truth there is, the better. It's not like they lie directly, more like they tell partial truths...enough to create a demand for those that don't know or don't want to take the time to know more.
The subscription to their full library of workouts isn't bad. I know you can get similar things for free out there. We have the subscription because we like the workouts in general, so for $90 for a year there is enough value for us.
We have zero of their accessory products though.4 -
Well a lot of people are naive otherwise Shakeology wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of months!5
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xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
AH! We found the beachbody salesman! Welcome to the logic zone where all you need is a calorie deficit to lose 40 pounds! *queue twilight theme*
If all you needed was a calorie deficit I wouldn't be getting my butt up and working out as hard as I do six days a week. I'm not a coach, I'm not affiliated with them at all, I have not purchased a single shake or supplement. It was a simple question so if YOU have been unsuccessful do not play yourself and take that out on me with your attitude.27 -
BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »I have a lot of facebook friends who are friends with a beachbody coach and so her posts pop up in my newsfeed sometimes. Last night she posted this long post about how shakeology is better than protein shakes because only body builders need protein shakes, the rest of us will end up with too much protein and it will turn to fat. So drink shakeology instead because it's not all protein but all kinds of nutrition and is the healthiest meal you can have all day!
Don't let this shill ruin your feed with spam.6 -
NorthCascades wrote: »BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »I have a lot of facebook friends who are friends with a beachbody coach and so her posts pop up in my newsfeed sometimes. Last night she posted this long post about how shakeology is better than protein shakes because only body builders need protein shakes, the rest of us will end up with too much protein and it will turn to fat. So drink shakeology instead because it's not all protein but all kinds of nutrition and is the healthiest meal you can have all day!
Don't let this shill ruin your feed with spam.
@NorthCascades is absolutely right.1 -
well I can say I lost weight and so did many others here without using any kind of MLM products. I lost it eating in a deficit and moving more. I gained it by eating more than I burned and moving less. I know how I got fat and I figured out how to lose it. never used any weight loss supplements,shakes,pills,etc. I made and still make my own protein smoothies when I need a little extra protein or calories.
There were days I was lucky enough to get over 150g of protein and none of it turned to fat. and all it takes IS a calorie deficit. I have several health issues including a metabolic disorder and still lost weight by being in a deficit.11 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".
Sooo... hypothetically... if you were at a calorie surplus, but your macros were all from alcohol, you wouldn't gain? Not that you could survive long like that...
I had thought that alcohol "makes you fat" mostly the same way as anything else. If your maintenance is 1500 and you eat 1400 and drink 200 cals of booze, you'll gain. Now you may burn off those 200 alcohol calories first and then the next 1300 from food, but ultimately you're still 100 calories over.
Does it really matter which macro ends up getting stored? And if so, why? I guess that's my main question.3 -
I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?3
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lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
Pure alcohol does not contain sugar - hard liquor and the like. Wine and beer both contain sugar and other carbohydrates and that's where the beer belly comes from, not from the alcohol. Also, people tend to get the munchies when they drink and consume lots of extra calories along with the alcohol.6 -
clicketykeys wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Alcohol has zero storage and no way to convert to triglycerides, so it will never "make you fat".
Sooo... hypothetically... if you were at a calorie surplus, but your macros were all from alcohol, you wouldn't gain? Not that you could survive long like that...
I had thought that alcohol "makes you fat" mostly the same way as anything else. If your maintenance is 1500 and you eat 1400 and drink 200 cals of booze, you'll gain. Now you may burn off those 200 alcohol calories first and then the next 1300 from food, but ultimately you're still 100 calories over.
Does it really matter which macro ends up getting stored? And if so, why? I guess that's my main question.
That is correct. You'd most likely die well before reaching maintenance cals from alcohol, but yeah, that's how it works.
As for your question, it was well explained in the article that I linked. The general idea is that storage order for excess macros is fat, then carbohydrate, then protein. This is mostly due to the processes for converting each to storable triglyceride getting more energy intensive the further down you go. The body is, above all else, energy efficient.
Interestingly, we are seeing more and more than the conversion of protein to triglyceride requires a stupid amount of overfeeding to take place. Dr. Jose Antonio's research has been quite interesting in this area.4 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
Pure alcohol does not contain sugar - hard liquor and the like. Wine and beer both contain sugar and other carbohydrates and that's where the beer belly comes from, not from the alcohol. Also, people tend to get the munchies when they drink and consume lots of extra calories along with the alcohol.
Ok. Thanks. That explains it. In a mixed drink whatever is added could raise the calories and sugar to quite a bit (piña coladas, margaritas, cuba libres, etc.) Also many people say "alcohol" or "booze" and they mean wine, beer too.0 -
beer, wine, and cocktails also contain lots of calories from ingredients other than the ethanol.
Maybe the discussion would be clearer if instead of "alcohol" people would specify that they're talking about ethanol.0
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