"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
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Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
Can the tomatoes. Canning acid foods (like tomatoes, vinegar pickles) is dead easy. If you can boil water . . . .
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I think the OP is saying in general more for if you want to lose weight, not if you're already at your goal or maintenance. For me I am trying to lose 40 lbs and I know I will not make my goal eating pizza, chips, or cookies. Oh how I wish I could but losing weight is more important than satisfying a 5 minute craving. ☺1
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Thing is you can. You can include those in moderation IF you are WILLING to limit the amount you consume and stay within calorie limits. I have clients do it ALL THE TIME. Part of the reason I'm a popular trainer in the gym. Members find out that I don't have them adhere to some specialized diet, but one that's actually doable for them.I think the OP is saying in general more for if you want to lose weight, not if you're already at your goal or maintenance. For me I am trying to lose 40 lbs and I know I will not make my goal eating pizza, chips, or cookies. Oh how I wish I could but losing weight is more important than satisfying a 5 minute craving. ☺
Now that's NOT to say I don't encourage more nutritious eating for them overall because more volume of food can be eaten, but my approach that nothing has to be excluded has worked well for practically all my clients for years.
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I think the OP is saying in general more for if you want to lose weight, not if you're already at your goal or maintenance. For me I am trying to lose 40 lbs and I know I will not make my goal eating pizza, chips, or cookies. Oh how I wish I could but losing weight is more important than satisfying a 5 minute craving. ☺
But what a lot of us are saying is that we have successfully lost significant weight while fitting pizza, chips and cookies into our diet.6 -
I'm just always hesitant to eat those things because I don't want to slow my progress. I have a long way to go and I feel if I do have pizza or unhealthy foods all of my hard work is for nada.0
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I think the OP is saying in general more for if you want to lose weight, not if you're already at your goal or maintenance. For me I am trying to lose 40 lbs and I know I will not make my goal eating pizza, chips, or cookies. Oh how I wish I could but losing weight is more important than satisfying a 5 minute craving. ☺
You were probably smart not to read the whole thread, but there have actually been multiple experiences shared from people who did, in fact, eat those things while losing weight.
It was mentioned way up-thread, but eating *whatever* you want is not the same as eating as much as you want, whenever you want it. You have to make it fit. I had a bowl of spaghetti, popcorn shrimp, 4 Reese's minis, and a Ghiardelli brownie today (and honestly the brownie was not worth the calories). I also had a ginormous salad that made the other choices mathematically possible (and as nutrition goes, pretty balanced) on my roughly 1500 calorie allowance for the day.7 -
I'm just always hesitant to eat those things because I don't want to slow my progress. I have a long way to go and I feel if I do have pizza or unhealthy foods all of my hard work is for nada.
You also missed the heated debate about pizza being an unhealthy food (hint: it's not
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Those foods don't undo your hard work... eating too much (of any food) does. It's honestly not as hard as you're thinking it is... you can do it! 8 -
I'm just always hesitant to eat those things because I don't want to slow my progress. I have a long way to go and I feel if I do have pizza or unhealthy foods all of my hard work is for nada.
And if you started a thread saying "I ate cookies and pizza! Will all my hard work be for nada??" you would get a lot of responses saying "As long as you are under your calorie goal, you will lose weight". Because that is what experience has taught so many people on MFP. Which is what this thread is about.
Would it be better if people lied and said "OMG, yes! You can't eat that stuff or you'll never lose!" which is not only untrue, but demoralising, and depressing? Of course not! People want to see people succeed. Especially when they're crying out for help.
You don't have to eat those things. You can eat whatever way you choose. But the fact remains, working some into your diet will not hinder your progress as long as it is done in the context of your calorie goals and within the greater considerations of nutritional requirements.8 -
Yes I didn't feel like scrolling through the arguments haha ☺ I am glad that I commented and got some advice though. Losing weight doesn't have to suck.7
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Hey @ninerbuff - I've always wondered why you post your ticker which shows "5 lbs lost" when I'm pretty sure that info is long out of date? 1
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Mmmm what I learned from this thread:
- it's pretty dang hard to satisfy a pizza craving in the middle of the night (but I managed with some creativity. Rosemary crackers with tomato concentrate and cheese make a close enough approximation for the purpose and that for max 150 cals - haven't logged it yet but it's cheap when you're on a tight calorie budget.)
- Some people seem to assume that most people would rather eat only "junk" if given the choice. It's just a bit confusing on what exactly is "junk" as I'm not sure my definition of it would be the same as another poster's.
- Reading comprehension is not a skill everyone has mastered. Heck, basic communication skills don't seem to get taught much anymore. Not sure how else to explain some of the more mind-numbing side discussions (FYI I read the entire thing from start to finish. Really should have gotten some sleep instead.)
- surprisingly few cat gifs for such a long thread. But some users here have very cute cats 9 -
I have to admit . . . I have eaten a whole pizza many times. All by myself. Medium pizza is easy, large pizza or beyond takes some application, but I can do it.
I could do it right now, if sufficiently motivated, despite having recently had dinner. And despite being a 120-something-pound li'l ol' lady, in maintenance. (That's one reason my maintenance involves eating below TDEE most days, so sometimes I can splurge big time. Even if the calories balance out, that may not be a form of moderation. I don't care. )
I'll want beer with that, too. Preferably a citra-hopped IPA. Maybe a couple of 'em. You have to drive.
P.S. Lost weight despite all this, from obese down to BMI around 21. Sometimes what I want is pizza, and plenty of it. Sometimes what I want is a heaping plate of raw celeriac, radishes, cucumber, and carrot. Yum.6 -
I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
I don't peel mine at all. Never have. I pull them from the garden, wash well, dice them, and can with a tsp. of basil, oregano, and garlic. Works perfectly everytime. I've also discovered that cherry tomatoes can ten times faster then large beef steak type (for when I'm feeling really lazy).
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »
I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
I don't peel mine at all. Never have. I pull them from the garden, wash well, dice them, and can with a tsp. of basil, oregano, and garlic. Works perfectly everytime. I've also discovered that cherry tomatoes can ten times faster then large beef steak type (for when I'm feeling really lazy).
You don't find that you get strips of skin in them when you cook with them?0 -
One piece of pizza and 7 chips won't keep me full very long and offer very little nutrition. Therefore, "Eat whatever type of food you want in tiny quantities" is not a sustainable lifestyle for me. A couple times a month is ok, but not 24/7.
it is not to keep you full it is to satisfy your desire for that food eat what make you full then eat 7 chips to satisfy desire for chips2 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »
You don't find that you get strips of skin in them when you cook with them?
It's late, so please forgive my inability to picture this.
Do you mean when I cook with them is there just skins mixed in with the tomatoes? If that's what you mean, yes, once in awhile I'll notice skin with no tomato/meat flesh attached to it but texture wise, it has never changed the taste or texture of anything I've used them in because what little bit of skins do separate are pretty minimal. I guess I've never noticed this being a problem and no one in my house has. I use my diced canned tomatoes for soups, stews, sauces, and chili. Maybe that's why I've never noticed any issues with the skin? If there were a lot of skin I'd think it would be bothersome and noticeable in those foods, but maybe not. Sorry I'm not much help with that. I've been canning tomatoes like this for 9yrs. Now I'm going to have to pay attention when I open and use the the next jar. 
On the up side, I'm not doing a garden this year for the first time in years. It will be my first time not canning in a long time. We have grown and canned as much of our own food as possible over the years so it's a big change over for us. I guess we'll see how much I'm kicking myself come next fall and winter. 0 -
I'm just always hesitant to eat those things because I don't want to slow my progress. I have a long way to go and I feel if I do have pizza or unhealthy foods all of my hard work is for nada.
This mindset can work against you. The only way I've ever lost weight is by CICO, but in the past, I used to have the same mindset. It was all or nothing. Food intake had to be stellar (read: angelic, no "bad" foods), and I had to work out EVERY DAY. If either of those was off my a millimeter, I was thrown off kilter and the day was ruined. Such a destructive thought process. Reading the forums I realized that 1) weight loss is not linear, 2) weight loss will not be stopped by a "bad" day here or there [say, missing a few workouts, because life happens], and 3) I can enjoy my favorite foods from time to time without getting totally derailed. This is such an unbelievably freeing concept it's ridiculous. 11 -
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If people wanted solid advice on nutrition, they can just go to WHO or AHA or a load of other sites that are very obviously more accurate than strangers on MFP. This is common sense. For example, I read a post from an MFP member yesterday saying they were stopping eating various carbs, as well as simple sugars "because they are changed to glucose (a sugar) in the body". I don't know how quickly you'd die without glucose in your body, definitely quite quickly.
So, people are presumably here to see what people say works for them in weight loss and the like. Everyone here says CICO is what is important; it they don't, they're corrected by a load of other posts. With this in mind, if eating "unhealthy" food is what lets you stick to a diet, it's better than nothing. The AMA has stated obesity is a disease, so weight loss, even with junk food is good thing (if you're obese). This site is basically anecdotal, and I think everyone knows that. If I want more detailed info, I read PubMed, not WebMD, for peer-reviewed studies that are reproducible, since NIH is a bit better than a random web site. I know that's not for everyone, but ultimately CICO is the basis of weight loss, and MFP members pointing out that you can lose weight on junk food isn't garbage advice. It's just not advice on nutrition.
If an obese person downsizes the size of their Doritos bag, or the size of their wine glass, or even just one junk food, it's a good enough start to weight loss, and not garbage advice. If people claim they know better than the NIH or WHO about nutrition, then that's garbage advice. Giving up your favorite foods and making yourself feel too deprived sucks, and can kill a diet.
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